I got my Avatar LE last night and when I did a Pinside search I couldn't find a Avatar club so I thought I'd start one where owners and the interested could come and talk about the game. Mine is #121 and in beautiful shape save for a one inch long scratch on the left side of the cab. It has an upgraded speaker kit and you'd swear the shaker is active all the time. LOL Also has the warm filter over the light in the bb and the anti SDTM mod. Question, is the OCD board the only solution for the pf insert strobing?

That's all I have for now, I hope to see more owners and the interested come and share in the fun.

Welcome to the club. Do you have LED's in the inserts?

Welcome to you also. For a while there I thought I was the only Avatar owner out there. My GI is blue on the left and purple on the right. I've also added 4 double spot lights and relocated the 2 stock spot lights. I play mine in the dark and these extra spots really light up the pf.

Read and I still love my LE. I get a kick out of defeating the Amp Suit and it falls down. I just wonder why my inserts flicker and others don't. Could it be that ALL the inserts have to have led's in them before they stop flickering? I REALLY like what you did to your Amp Suit, it looks so real. Great job. I put another double spot light on last night, on the screw just above the left spinner. Now have a total of 4 doubles and 2 singles.

There's only 250 out there so I wish you luck in your search.

How many out there have the neutral density filter (I think that's what it is) over the flor. bulb in the bb. I do and the tl colors look better.

Since 2010?

and you get no flicker in the inserts?

There are 3 flashers there so do you have the purple one in the big center insert and one white to either side?

I had never seen the game in person before our group had our Pinball BBQ (I'm sure you've all heard about it) this Spring. I saw Steve's LE from across the room and what drew me to it like a magnet was the 3D tl. I stopped in front of the game and just stared at it like a deer caught in headlights. It was the most interesting tl I had ever seen. After a minute or two I (noticed) the rest of the game all blue and chrome. I must have looked over the game for 5 minutes before I pressed the start button, plunged the first ball and was greeted with a 20 second pop bumper action FRENZY. I'm a sucker for great pop bumper action and knew right then and there I had to have the game. It will NOT!!! be going anywhere!!!

Yes I have the LE, that makes for an interesting question...does the Pro not flicker while the LE does. I read the LE has slightly different rules then the Pro, I wonder if that has anything to do with the flicker. I'm just thinking out loud here so don't mind me.

I think that's why the game isn't rated very high, people are so frustrated because they can't get to the wizard mode so they give the game a low rating.

I do too, they are a MUST on this game. It just looks soooo much better.

Gonna have to put up a WTB post. Since only 250 were made you will have to let an owner know your on the look-out.

Me too. The only thing I don't like about Avatar is that you can't put led's in the inserts. I love the way the inserts "sparkle" with the white clear dome led's in my ST and Mustang. It makes the game look so modern and Avatar would look great with them in.

Yup tried them all and my game flickers something bad. Most if not all of Avatars inserts are meant to fade on and off to get nice sweeping/fading patterns which I really like. I just wish the incandescents were brighter.

HaHa.....that's happened to me a couple of times too. Keep trying though.

Nice to see ya here edwinpblue, nice to see an original owner especially for how old this game is. Is yours a Pro or LE?

Nothing wrong with the Pro.

Hey Steve, after I saw and played yours I fell in love and had to have it....it's all your fault. Only fix I know of is the OCD, no bulb I've tried worked, they all flickered. Yeah a nice 12x21 addition that will be used as a work shop because it has a wood floor but the garage is all open, no wall between the addition and the garage, going to have final inspection this week then wired and spray foam insulated. Garage is now 24x36....it's about 120sq ft bigger then the main floor of my house.

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Oh I know it would but I have to spend the money on getting the garage done before the snow fly's.

Just saw that Pinside member pin15 has an LE for sale in the Market Place. $4600. (disclaimer) I don't know him or the game.

Not me.

Yeah it would look better lit from the top. I'll have to take mine apart and see what it takes to put a Comet led strip in there. Do we really need that plastic covering Jake? I've never seen the ball go up into there.

Well I took apart the pod and am painting the inside silver and will then spray glitter over that, hot melt Jake in (so I can get rid of the plastic over him) and will finish off buy putting a Comet 6.3v, 7 led strip (with one cut off to make it a 6 led strip) so it fits on the underside of the pod cover. This will take a few days because the paint has to dry. I think it will look pretty good, a lot better then the stock look anyway.

I haven't gotten that far yet but yeah I'm going to have to drill a small hole in the bottom upper left corner of the pod to run the wires down and out. Luckly there is a big hole in the pf right there for the lid opening mech. and a 44 socket right there also for powering the led strip.

The Comet strips wires unplug from their connectors so the hole doesn't have to be the size of the plug just the 2 wires. Push one wire through the small hole then the other one and plug them back into the connector on the other side of the hole in the pod floor. Then plug that connector into the alligator clip connector and clip on to the nearest 44 socket.

Hi Mike, will do. You have to take the Pod completly off the game which is easy to do then take the cover off the Pod then take Jake out of the Pod then mask off the the outside of the Pod, both bottom and cover. Spray with chrome silver paint, let dry for a couple days then spray with silver sparkle paint and let dry for a couple of days. I'll take pictures of where and how I hook up the 7 led strip but don't worry about blowing your pin up the 6.3v strip can be plugged into any 44 socket on the pf.

Here are a couple of pictures of the bottom of the Pod painted. The silver sparkle is hard to capture. The reason I went with silver is because Comet is coming out with 7 led, 6.3v color changing strips and I'm hoping they are slow changing then the sparkle would look REALLY cool.

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I'm probably below you in electrical know how. I use the alligator clips that come with the strips, SUPER easy. Was thinking about drilling holes under the Jake figure so that some of the light coming from under the Pod (which is green in my case) would light him from underneith with a green glow. Once he's lit from the top I don't know if this would be visible though. Now if he were lying on a translucent bed that would look cool and would be VERY visible. Dang, right when I thought I had it figured out.

I might be putting Jake on a piece of mirror plex, have to see how it lights with the Comet Color Changing strip lighting it up. If it looks good I'll hot melt everything down and assemble. Looks good so far.

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Cool, could you post a picture of the pod light. So far I have put 4 double spots on and moved the 2 stock ones from the slings to the upper portions of the pf. Where did you get the green protectors from?

This plastic, top left on the pf is lit by one bulb and was very dark so I put a 7 led strip in there also and it lit it up perfect. The hole in the pf is there so running the wires is a cinch. I just love what you can do with those Comet led strips.

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Here are the placements of all my spots. The 2 factory spots had to have some wire added and alligator clips added to clip on to a 44 socket under the pf.

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Go to cometpinball.com. You want the 3 or 7 led 6.3v strips.

Good call, a 7 is way to bright for that small of a space.

Looks great. Does the pf scrape on the mirrors? I see why you only put a 3 bulb strip in the Pod.

What are you doing in bed with a laptop...there are more fun things to do in bed then play with a laptop.

Just wait till they get their color changing strips in, WAY cool.

Hey guys, a little help please. I need to know where this plastic goes. Thanks

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Not me. Thought I saw on in the Market Place a while ago.

One ball games?

I see thanks.

Hey guys I really need help finding the location of that piece of pf plastic pictured above. The game is ready to go back together but this is holding it up. Could someone please post a picture of where it goes. Thanks

Glad to hear you enjoying the game. You have a Pro or LE?

Would you shoot a picture of where that plastic I have pictured is on the game and post it for me please?

BINGO!!! When I took the Amp suit off I lifted the pf and heard a plastic hit the bottom of the cab but I only saw one. When you posted your picture and saw there should be 2 I went and looked and sure enough the other one was wedged among some wires under the pf. Thanks a million packetpusher.

I'm also working on a pop cap mod that I think is BADLY needed, will be ordering parts tonight. I hope it turns out like I envision otherwise I'll be looking for a new cap because I will have wrecked one.

Here's a cool light mod I put on the game the other day, got it on ebay for $32 shipped from China. It's call the Night Rider RGB color changing led strip, it's 12v and comes with a wireless remote and does about 100 light patterns and man does it look cool when it gets fired up. My camera does not do the colors justice. As you can see from one of the pictures the end with the wires going into it is kind of funky. I also have one on my EATPM and T3.

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Yes I'll post about it. It's a simple mod that will be difficult to execute. I had better get all done on the first try or I'll be in need of 1, 2 or 3 caps.

Yes it's clear flexible plastic over all of it. I used a heat gun to GENTLY heat up the middle to get the bend using the apron as a form. So it's heat, form, cool while forming, over and over again. There is no sticky backing, I had to find my own. It is not plug n play, it comes with bare wire ends except where the strip plugs into the controller.

Not to worry, I never even thought to look at the area under his feet, I was looking at all the posts to see if it fit on any of them, about drove me crazy.

Thanks again for the help. My mod will make the caps look ALOT more finished and modern, I think anyway. I hope others think so also.

Good to see you here. That is some GREAT news about the new movies. I have the first one on BluRay 3D and it's a KILLER. Must have watched it 20 so far. Post pictures of the Gunships, I' love to see them.

OK here are a couple of pictures of the lit Pod. The led strip is white light and the color temp of the leds really messes with the ccd pick-up in the camera and it looks blue but it is white light. Gonna have to look for a filter for my camera one of these days. It was all pretty straight forward, take apart, paint, hot melt guy into Pod, toss clear plastic that held him in, drill holes in Pod and pf plastics for led wires, attach led strip, route wires and reassemble. Looks really good and for once no left over parts.

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Thanks Pintucky. Now to start on the pop caps mod I talked about earlier. Got the parts in today and will go to the hardware store tomorrow to buy one of those cone shaped drill bits that drill ever larger holes and they aint cheap, $30. I did a mock up job on one cap and it looks WOW!! Some may say it's to much but I think it looks GREAT.

Yeah....for the whole 2 people that have been reading my topic.

To give my game a more up to date look here is the new look of my pop covers and how I went about doing it.

First you get (hopefully borrow from a friend cuz they are like $35) a multi diameter drill bit with a max diameter of over 1 inch.

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and drill out the center holes to just over 1 inch.

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and this is what it will look like. Notice that there are 2 extra bolt holes

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those holes have to be at a 90 degree from the factory screw holes so that the new bolts will clear the 2 indents on the pop cup.

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here are all 3 that are done.

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This is what you will be putting on from the underside of the cap, a mini dome.

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And this is the final product, looks like it came off a 2014 game doesn't it. The bolts that hold it on are #6-1/2 in. stainless steel with nylocks nuts. I wanted to use chrome cap allen head bolts but they are over $2 each and the smallest I could find were #8.

They look great but now I have a REAL problem.......what color domes.

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I color matched the bulb with the lens. Here is what they look like on the game.

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Now the last challenge is going to be routing out the plastic the sits just above the cap with the red dome. As you know that plastic has to come way down so the only thing to do is grind it away around the dome. The black dot on the plastic is centered on the dome so you get an idea about how much plastic has to come off.

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The final piece is done. Now I can put the game back together. I haven't played it in 3 weeks so I'm pumped.

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Well I wouldn't go quite that far. It's pretty close considering I did it by hand with a dremel and carved it out a little bit at a time. But it's good enough.

I REALLY hope you find one, I'm soooo glad I did. With all the extra lights I put on it it's like a whole different game. Put a post up on PS. Your mind is in the right place so come back and chat anytime.

Yeah, if I would have left the regular bulbs in I probably would have started it on fire by now. Counting all the bulbs in the strips and other bulbs I've added 76 bulbs to the game and I still have the 2 el paper under the translucent cards to put on yet. DANG this is FUN!!

Just got finished installing the el paper apron cards. They look GREAT but the pictures turned out like junk, the ccd in my camera made the card color red.

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My spelling will probably be wrong but to read about it google Electroluminecent paper or film. It's really cool stuff and comes in dif. colors too.

funny you should say that cuz when I got my new 1970 Grabber Orange Mustang for my last month of Senior High EVERYONE wanted to sit at my table for lunch.

paper from Mexico. Good one.

I bought the cards and el paper from Pinballcenter.com in Germany. The cards and paper aren't cheap but it's the only game in town. They have them for a bunch of diff. games.

Hey guys, as you know sparky is making the MDM, a couple of you have chimed in and said you'd want one. I think I have convinced him to make it for us. He has just put up a picture of the proto faceplate so take a look and leave your feedback. As you know there aren't many mods out for our game because there weren't many sold so if show sparky by getting involved with the design that we are interested I think we can get it for our game. Avatar is a keeper for me.

Thanks guys.

GREAT news guys, Sparky is doing an Avatar MDM for our game so let's show him our support and get them for our games, I'm getting 2. I just put a Met one on my Met and it's way cool. Oh and the hex standoff did not come with the MDM and he will also start selling the power splitter if you need it which is great cuz ya don't have to order them from another vender so you'll save the shipping cost when ya buy them from Sparky.

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What you doin here, that aint no Avatar!! just kidding, I'll let it slide THIS TIME. Looks great there. Is it close enough do you think? I hope Sparky sells a ton of these. Now one for your Avatar. I've got 2 coming for mine.

Hey guys, I was thinking about changing the apron and getting a design put on the triangular inserts that light up with the flashers so I contacted Gio at the Refinery. He has a metallic blue apron ready to go and asked what design I had in mind for the flasher inserts. I was thinking of the flying creatures (name escapes me at the moment) or something. So I was wondering if you guys have any suggestions. A metallic blue apron would look a lot better then the black one I think. This would be a one off but I was thinking if there was interest maybe we could get a better price, I haven't gotten a price yet. What do you guys think?

Hey what are Avatar buds for. I'm thinking it's the blue that's on ST, have to see it first. I have the blue legs on my ST Pro that Stern put on Avengers and that compliments the pf PERFECT.

Welcome to the club. You've added some nice mods but what else did you chrome. You can see my mods in earlier posts, I will be getting 2 of Sparkys MDM mods, I just added a Modfather gold leaf shooter knob and am talking to Zdoor about a metalic blue apron with custom flasher insert pictures. The complete apron might be for sale to other Avatar owners if it works out.

That's some nice extra chrome work, got some pictures? Mines going nowhere also.

Thanks Gio. Well what do you guys think? It's a metallic blue and would have an engraving, like the Refinery does on their IM apron, of a Raptor on each of the 2 flasher inserts like in this picture. The creature sure would be nice and big and fit perfectly to.

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Hey ya can't take it with ya so spend it now and have some fun. This is one mod that will actually add to the game IMO and there are really no mods out there for Avatar so if Gio does it that would make another mod he could offer and we would get a cool mod, a win-win if you ask me.

So I want this mod and am asking if anyone else wants it too. The apron is ready to go but the plastics have to be made. Don't know about a price yet.

Hey thanks. That makes 2 , who will be #3?

I have a Refinery chromed on my Pro and it looks WOW!!!

Just make sure it's an LE, waaaay better then the Pro. I LOVE mine.

Sparky, this is just my opinion but I liked the Seeds plastic waaaay better. I'll pay extra for it.

WOW only 3. That makes it super rare down under. Great to have an Auzie bro in the club. I hope you find the info here useful. As you can see not many problems to talk about but a lot of modding going on.

Well at least you have one. Yes it can get tough at times. Never tried the browser.

A topper, cool. Post when ready. Gio is looking into a mod for Avatar for me, he's super busy so I don't want to bug him about it. If it turns out like I want he'll make it available to the rest of the Avatar owners. I have my fingers crossed.

Very nice, I've never seen a topper for Avatar before. Makes me wish I had the head room for toppers.

I'll say. Good show. I know I won't play against you for money.

Hey guys I just put my 2 MDM's on the game. Check out Sparky's MDM mod topic for pictures and text. They turned out FANTASTIC!!! You guys have got to get one or two for the game.

Hi guys, how are your games playing? I was playing mine tonight and the ball was bouncing off of these 2 post rubbers really dead like (see picture) so I looked at the rubbers and they both almost fell off they were so shot. I replaced them and it really made a difference. These 2 little guys really take a beating so check yours.

Happy flipping.

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I have a bunch of these white ones but will switch to those when I run out. You have colored or clear?

The clears look really nice and as an added bonus on slings and other plastics they don't block the light coming from the bulbs like the black and white do . They don't cast a shadow on the top side of the plastic.

Welcome "back" David, just couldn't stay away could ya. I don't blame you, we all love the game too. Great suggestions, wish Stern would hear you. Have any mods on your game?

I hope you have checked out the mods I have made, they add a lot to the game I think and are easy to do. Don't you miss the Navi ball special and all the other things that make the LE special?

WOW looks great. You planning on getting Sparkys MDM mod? I have 2 on and they look great. Bling that baby out.

Outstanding! Welcome to the club. Looks like you got a Pro. That display looks fantastic, I was thinking of getting a blue one but yours look better. What kind of show special price did ya get it for? The gels came with it didn't they? Are you planning to add any mods? As you can see I've added many mods to mine. Hope to hear more from you.

Have you read all the posts to the topic? I have a lot of mods I made posted, they may help you.

Thanks for the post and pictures Zen, lookin good.

Great to have you join us. Yup 6 in. Just remember to mount the first figure standing straight up so the glass just misses his head by about 1/8 in. The rest will mount with no problem.

Pinblades "might" be made for Avatar. Anyone besides me in for a set?

10 Where ya gonna put them all? Don't know about the Banshee.

I see.

Nice to have you rejoin. A Pro or LE? Who can we "blame"...the kids or you?

Here you go sir.

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I'm really PO'd right now....one of the inverters for one of the el paper instruction cards on my Avatar burned up after only about 20 hours of off and on use and the other one is developing a small melt bubble on it. Emailed Pinballcenter about it so let's see what they say. Poorly designed crap really pisses me off. 20 hours

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