Quoted from ant68:

Just thought I would let you know the truth about the Austin Powers Pinball I bought from Rob RVDV.
Firstly take a look at this video, it starts off in slow motion then towards the end there are before and after photos.

In all honesty I am the one that got scammed, and I did not claim the full amount back from the credit card company only part of the amount to help me move it on and recover some of the shipping expenses which ended up been a waste of money. Don't believe everything you read !
This was only after I reached out to Rob to inform him how I was mislead by his false description of the pinball and that I paid way over market price for a pinball with these defects, and then incurring the cost in shipping it all the way to Australia in which he refused to help.
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"Well I’m sorry I guess your disappointed
But machine is out of my possession for 5 months
And it’s in Australia so nothing I can do"
The pinball is suffering from bad planking and as Rob suggested for me to claim it on the shippers insurance to cover this, well that is totally wrong ,and it seems to me Rob pre had it all planed out.
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"Go and sort this out with your agent who received the machine and transported
I assume you had insurance on shipping this game "
Photos of the scrapes, scratches etc etc were existing on the " Mint Pinball " shown in the photos taken in his home ( prior to packing ) but the photos were taken conveniently in a dark room I reluctantly missed seeing the defects. I guess it's my fault for believing and trusting him, how was I supposed to know he is a dishonest person.
Goes to show you what type of charter he is !
Take a look at this youtube clip and let me know your thoughts, if the pinball was "Mint" when it left his home and in the 4 months of transit time of which it was on the water for about 40 and days all this planking happened and the scratches and scapes happening in transit happen to be exactly the same scratches and scapes shown in his photo prior to it leaving his home.
In my and other pinball collectors view, planking like this happens over a period of years when the layer of ply start to seperate caused from a manufacturing fault.This can't happen in a 3-4 moth period . If you look closely in my video you can faintly see planking in the white part of the cabinet before the pinball left his home. Also I bought over 6 other pinballs at the same time in the same container and all arrived sound and safely with no issue whats so ever.
As Rob put it
"The game was mint on the cabinet not a scratch or Nick on it, no discoloration "
Hope you all can understand the position I am in now after you have learnt the truth.
Beware and don't be caught out like I was and be more vigilant, and as Robin ( Alkmaar) advised I should off requested photos be taken outside in the sunlight and not in a dark room.
Tony

Quoted from Ballypinball:

Well Rob get ant68 to drop the game off to me as he has obtained goods he now doesn't own?
I can pack it up if you want it shipped back or sell it on your behalf showing detailed pictures and send you the money.
I buy hundreds of games a year and many are not seen eye to eye with the sellers description.

Quoted from ant68:

Just thought I would let you know the truth about the Austin Powers Pinball I bought from Rob RVDV.
Firstly take a look at this video, it starts off in slow motion then towards the end there are before and after photos.

In all honesty I am the one that got scammed, and I did not claim the full amount back from the credit card company only part of the amount to help me move it on and recover some of the shipping expenses which ended up been a waste of money. Don't believe everything you read !
This was only after I reached out to Rob to inform him how I was mislead by his false description of the pinball and that I paid way over market price for a pinball with these defects, and then incurring the cost in shipping it all the way to Australia in which he refused to help.
Quote
"Well I’m sorry I guess your disappointed
But machine is out of my possession for 5 months
And it’s in Australia so nothing I can do"
The pinball is suffering from bad planking and as Rob suggested for me to claim it on the shippers insurance to cover this, well that is totally wrong ,and it seems to me Rob pre had it all planed out.
quote
"Go and sort this out with your agent who received the machine and transported
I assume you had insurance on shipping this game "
Photos of the scrapes, scratches etc etc were existing on the " Mint Pinball " shown in the photos taken in his home ( prior to packing ) but the photos were taken conveniently in a dark room I reluctantly missed seeing the defects. I guess it's my fault for believing and trusting him, how was I supposed to know he is a dishonest person.
Goes to show you what type of charter he is !
Take a look at this youtube clip and let me know your thoughts, if the pinball was "Mint" when it left his home and in the 4 months of transit time of which it was on the water for about 40 and days all this planking happened and the scratches and scapes happening in transit happen to be exactly the same scratches and scapes shown in his photo prior to it leaving his home.
In my and other pinball collectors view, planking like this happens over a period of years when the layer of ply start to seperate caused from a manufacturing fault.This can't happen in a 3-4 moth period . If you look closely in my video you can faintly see planking in the white part of the cabinet before the pinball left his home. Also I bought over 6 other pinballs at the same time in the same container and all arrived sound and safely with no issue whats so ever.
As Rob put it
"The game was mint on the cabinet not a scratch or Nick on it, no discoloration "
Hope you all can understand the position I am in now after you have learnt the truth.
Beware and don't be caught out like I was and be more vigilant, and as Robin ( Alkmaar) advised I should off requested photos be taken outside in the sunlight and not in a dark room.
Tony

Quoted from ForceFlow:

Well, I do see what looks like some planking in the blue area on the left side. Those horizontal lines are hard to refute.
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Some of the minor nicks & scratches you highlighted do seem to appear in the photos. I probably would have chalked those up to image artifacts or reflections without the direct comparison.
The left top backbox damage doesn't appear to be visible in the original photos, so that is inconclusive as to whether or not that could've happened during shipping, but it does appear to be conveniently out of frame.

If the game is stored in a poor environment (unstable temperature, unstable humidity), planking can develop fairly quickly. It could have possibly developed in 40 days it spent in the shipping container, regardless of what happened to other games (they weren't all made from the same batch of wood, after all).
But based on the photo, it looks like the planking may have already been present. However, it's also possible that it got worse during transport.
I'd agree that the cabinet was not mint or completely free of flaws.

I was not even aware that you could actually do that.
All in all, I do not think this falls into the category of a scam. It sounds like there was a difference in opinion as to the actual condition of the game.

Quoted from ForceFlow:

Well, I do see what looks like some planking in the blue area on the left side. Those horizontal lines are hard to refute.
[quoted image]
Some of the minor nicks & scratches you highlighted do seem to appear in the photos. I probably would have chalked those up to image artifacts or reflections without the direct comparison.
The left top backbox damage doesn't appear to be visible in the original photos, so that is inconclusive as to whether or not that could've happened during shipping, but it does appear to be conveniently out of frame.

If the game is stored in a poor environment (unstable temperature, unstable humidity), planking can develop fairly quickly. It could have possibly developed in 40 days it spent in the shipping container, regardless of what happened to other games (they weren't all made from the same batch of wood, after all).
But based on the photo, it looks like the planking may have already been present. However, it's also possible that it got worse during transport.
I'd agree that the cabinet was not mint or completely free of flaws.

I was not even aware that you could actually do that.
All in all, I do not think this falls into the category of a scam. It sounds like there was a difference in opinion as to the actual condition of the game.

Quoted from Coindork:

That looks like rough cut wood to me, not planking.
Is the paint actually chipping in the raised areas?
If not, looks more like a function of the factory not sanding the wood first.
The back of my JJP GNR is exactly like this and its brand new.
I have bought several machines from Robert and consider him and outstanding and honorable individual.
Guess there are two sides to every story though.

Quoted from ant68:

Correct !
And you can Forceflow, no way I would claim the full amount of the pinball, I never did and never would so not sure why rvdv would say that.
It is a difference of opinion as you put it but when you are told
"The game was mint on the cabinet not a scratch or Nick on it, no discoloration " thats a mighty big difference of opinion.
And then rvdv post of Pinside claiming I am a scammer is just wrong and then goes on to say I am claiming the full amount is crazy.
Thanks for your comments on my post Forceflow

Quoted from ForceFlow:

Well, I do see what looks like some planking in the blue area on the left side. Those horizontal lines are hard to refute.
[quoted image]
Some of the minor nicks & scratches you highlighted do seem to appear in the photos. I probably would have chalked those up to image artifacts or reflections without the direct comparison.
The left top backbox damage doesn't appear to be visible in the original photos, so that is inconclusive as to whether or not that could've happened during shipping, but it does appear to be conveniently out of frame.

If the game is stored in a poor environment (unstable temperature, unstable humidity), planking can develop fairly quickly. It could have possibly developed in 40 days it spent in the shipping container, regardless of what happened to other games (they weren't all made from the same batch of wood, after all).
But based on the photo, it looks like the planking may have already been present. However, it's also possible that it got worse during transport.
I'd agree that the cabinet was not mint or completely free of flaws.

I was not even aware that you could actually do that.
All in all, I do not think this falls into the category of a scam. It sounds like there was a difference in opinion as to the actual condition of the game.