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Attention! Don't get scammed!


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    #151 68 days ago

    Here is another one using the same wording as mentioned before, they also have an instagram account but I have been blocked on it and cannot longer see it. The IG profile is new like the site and only has a few posts.
    They have most of the games priced according with 2 or 3 priced VERY well, to get you in and hook you up. Everything on the site is fake and all photos stolen, a quick google reverse lookup shows the photos on other sites.

    arcadedeluxegames.com

    I wish somebody reported this and get the person behind this, this is certainly an operation that runs multiple scams and the pinball scam is just one of many.

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    #153 60 days ago

    I'm a newbie looking for machine #2. I had no idea there were so many scammers out there!

    Pinballsarcadegames.com = scam! CA address, WI phone. Uses fake alias scott andrew leonhart, which is also a Facebook profile disguised to be a pinballer. Watch out people

    #154 57 days ago

    I had an ad for a game on the marketplace and someone immediately reached out to me about another game in the picture. He agreed to asking price. The guy had quite a drive, over 700 miles, so fuel expenses would be a factor. Was kind of surprised we mas he didn't try to haggle with me on price at first, but he did later on. Anyway, he seemed nice enough and he requested a phone call. So I called him and we agreed to all terms of the agreement, except he had an issue with paying cash, like is stated in all my ads. The game is only $2800. He went back and forth with me for a couple of minutes and asked questions like "Why are you still doing cash?" and "What are you trying to protect yourself from?" He also went on and on. "There are 50 different ways I can pay you in today's modern world." "Will a cashier's check, money order, PayPal, or wire transfer work?" "I can pay you today but can't make the drive until later this week." Etc...

    Folks, I'm not saying this guy was a scammer. But he used all the language and agreed to a sale sight unseen aside from some pictures (that can be faked). $2800 for a pin is not a lot of money. Just go to the bank and do a withdrawal, it takes maybe half an hour at tops. Not sure if he was just lazy, or if he had a motive to take the money, take delivery of the game later on, then file a fraud claim stating I took his money and didn't deliver. That scenario would open me up to being scammed because the buyer would have legal recourse to do a chargeback, because I would be taking his money and he would not be getting the machine at the time I took the money. Who in the world pays for a game sight unseen in advance, wants to drive 700 miles for it, and refuses to do cash??

    #155 57 days ago
    Quoted from Crash:

    I had an ad for a game on the marketplace and someone immediately reached out to me about another game in the picture. He agreed to asking price. The guy had quite a drive, over 700 miles, so fuel expenses would be a factor. Was kind of surprised he didn't try to haggle with me on price at first, but he did later on. Anyway, he seemed nice enough and he requested a phone call. So I called him and we agreed to all terms of the agreement, except he had an issue with paying cash, like is stated in all my ads. The game is only $2800. He went back and forth with me for a couple of minutes and asked questions like "Why are you still doing cash?" and "What are you trying to protect yourself from?" He also went on and on. "There are 50 different ways I can pay you in today's modern world." "Will a cashier's check, money order, PayPal, or wire transfer work?" "I can pay you today but can't make the drive until later this week." Etc...
    Folks, I'm not saying this guy was a scammer. But he used all the language and agreed to a sale sight unseen aside from some pictures (that can be faked). $2800 for a pin is not a lot of money. Just go to the bank and do a withdrawal, it takes maybe half an hour at tops. Not sure if he was just lazy, or if he had a motive to take the money, take delivery of the game later on, then file a fraud claim stating I took his money and didn't deliver. That scenario would open me up to being scammed because the buyer would have legal recourse to do a chargeback, because I would be taking his money and he would not be getting the machine at the time I took the money. Who in the world pays for a game sight unseen in advance, wants to drive 700 miles for it, and refuses to do cash??

    You did the right thing. I don’t trust anyone

    #156 57 days ago

    Some of these stories have me thinking it's just not worth it, but what if there is a pin that you've been waiting for for awhile? I'm new on the site and read through this entire thread. I'm going to give it a go, using everyone's advice. Wish me luck.

    #157 56 days ago

    If you can see it with your eyes, pay with real bills and leave alive. It most likely won’t be a scam or a problem

    #158 56 days ago

    I’ve had people reach out by pm about buying and when I tell them they must provide information regarding who they are before I enter in a dialog they disappear.

    Perhaps a standardized Pinside form -must supply info prior to conversation.

    #159 56 days ago
    Quoted from Ottawaflip:

    Here is another one using the same wording as mentioned before, they also have an instagram account but I have been blocked on it and cannot longer see it. The IG profile is new like the site and only has a few posts.
    They have most of the games priced according with 2 or 3 priced VERY well, to get you in and hook you up. Everything on the site is fake and all photos stolen, a quick google reverse lookup shows the photos on other sites.
    arcadedeluxegames.com
    I wish somebody reported this and get the person behind this, this is certainly an operation that runs multiple scams and the pinball scam is just one of many.

    Domain registration lookup yields a creation date from a month ago: "Creation Date: 2021-01-07T09:36:38Z"

    Remember, anyone can register ANY DOMAIN they like.

    #160 55 days ago

    Between this topic, and other topics I have read here, as far as the tracking # stuff that a lot of folks have problems with paypal during a scam, I was just wondering:

    Back when all the seeds were being shipped, I wonder if that was some sort of scam to just get something delivered to several zip codes.

    #161 54 days ago

    arcadedeluxegames.com

    Good news is they appear to be shut down now. One less bad guy out there (for now).

    Quoted from Markharris2000:

    Domain registration lookup yields a creation date from a month ago: "Creation Date: 2021-01-07T09:36:38Z"
    Remember, anyone can register ANY DOMAIN they like.

    #162 48 days ago
    Quoted from Crash:

    ...Who in the world pays for a game sight unseen in advance, wants to drive 700 miles for it, and refuses to do cash??

    A scammer.

    He'll get the pin. The payment method, for what ever reason, will probably not go thru. Worse case, he figures out your bank account number and starts to drain that too, in addition to getting the pin.

    #163 47 days ago

    I’m looking at buying a machine and selling one to afford the other. So my question is if I have paid the choice of subscription for pinside who is watching these sales to protect us consumers using this service? I paid the $35 fee to be able to post pictures to someone interested in buying.

    #164 47 days ago
    Quoted from Zartan:

    I’m looking at buying a machine and selling one to afford the other. So my question is if I have paid the choice of subscription for pinside who is watching these sales to protect us consumers using this service? I paid the $35 fee to be able to post pictures to someone interested in buying.

    It's a donation to help keep the site running. Pinside+ gets you a few extra features & perks.

    https://pinside.com/pinball/donate

    Pinside members do not need Pinside+ in order to add images to threads or marketplace ads. However, what Pinside+ does is give you the ability to send images in PMs to other members.

    There is nobody who manually reviews every single ad that gets posted. Us moderators usually keep an eye on the ads in our geographical region simply because we're looking at those ads anyway, but we also rely on reports from individual members like you. If you think an ad looks fishy, hit the report button, and that sends a notification to the moderation team that it needs to be reviewed.

    When corresponding with other members concerning an ad, you'll have to use your best judgement. There are also some good information within this thread and within the links in the first post of this thread. But, most people fall back on the near foolproof mantra "cash on the glass"; meaning, inspect the pin you're interested in buying (in person), then pay for it in cash (or if you're selling, invite the buyer to inspect the pin in person and only accept cash as payment).

    #165 47 days ago
    Quoted from Crash:

    He went back and forth with me for a couple of minutes and asked questions like "Why are you still doing cash?" and "What are you trying to protect yourself from?" He also went on and on. "There are 50 different ways I can pay you in today's modern world." "Will a cashier's check, money order, PayPal, or wire transfer work?" "I can pay you today but can't make the drive until later this week." Etc...

    Biggest scam ever.

    I got some similar lines a year ago from a guy pretending to want to buy an old Les Paul from me from CL.

    Scammer: I can pay you with Paypal or wire the money straight to your bank.
    V: Like the ad says, bring cash.
    S: I don't like to carry that much cash!
    V: Think of carrying such an expensive guitar.
    S: Why are you still doing cash, it's 2019 man??
    V: I got my ID stolen. My bank account, my credit cards, my Paypal - everything got hacked and closed down by scammers!
    S: Oh. How about Visa cash cards? Those are better than cash!
    V: Who would you rather have fnck you in a gas station restroom, Ted Cruze or Obama?
    S: Whaaaa? I'm a boy!
    V: Choose right now.
    S: [hangs up]

    #166 46 days ago

    If you get paid by Bitcoin, wouldn’t that be safe?

    #167 46 days ago

    Thank you for your reply ForceFlow. I understand I saw the post and should have realized there really are scammers everywhere! I’m in Windsor, Ontario most of us have to travel to Michigan (5 minute drive) or London/Toronto (2 to a 4 hour drive). We kind of have to trust during COVID I think that is what scared me about the thread.

    #168 46 days ago
    Quoted from Davidus56:

    If you get paid by Bitcoin, wouldn’t that be safe?

    Yes. Provided you wait for 6 confirmations. At that point it’s considered irreversible for “normal” transactions.

    If you’re moving over $1 million it’s recommended to wait for 60 confirmations.

    #171 40 days ago
    Quoted from Davidus56:

    If you get paid by Bitcoin, wouldn’t that be safe?

    In that he can't reverse the transaction, yes.

    But bitcoin is exceedingly volatile, and can easily be worth half today's value by tomorrow.

    Also trying to turn bitcoin into real money can be problematic (most exchanges make it easy to buy bitcoin with money, but selling tends to be quite a bit harder).

    #172 39 days ago

    Has anyone every bought anything from moneymachines.com I ordered some parts on January the 19th have revived nothing sent a email to them and no reply.
    Raff

    #173 38 days ago
    Quoted from Raff:

    Has anyone every bought anything from moneymachines.com I ordered some parts on January the 19th have revived nothing sent a email to them and no reply.
    Raff

    This is probably a question that is better served in its own thread, rather than this one.

    #174 37 days ago

    I was searching last night for some of the pins on my list and found pinballshore. They have my White Water CHEAP! I almost bought it but did a search on pinside for the company, and found them to be scammers! Quite happy to be part of pinside right now!

    #175 36 days ago
    Quoted from Zartan:

    I was searching last night for some of the pins on my list and found pinballshore. They have my White Water CHEAP! I almost bought it but did a search on pinside for the company, and found them to be scammers! Quite happy to be part of pinside right now!

    I find it best when it doubt to atleast sleep on it before jumping on it.

    #176 30 days ago

    Had three of the same machine for a project. From the parts of three, I got one working and all polished up. Put up an ad on Craigslist for the finished project and another one for the parents scavenged from the other two.

    Folks on Craigslist post their phone numbers in code, like s*v@n instead of 7. Seemed like an idea that looked like it worked, so I did it that way.

    A text came in almost immediately. They were on their way to come get it today! No matter that it was after five and it would be at least a five hour drive from their area code. Not to mention they were on the way without the benefit of an address.

    The first message was stiff, but might have been plausible. I asked which part they were interested in. The script just continued. Asked again. The script continued. Didn’t try to parse my response or anything.

    So, either writing your phone number in code doesn’t work at all, or a live human input the number into their bot. A really dumb bot.

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    #177 30 days ago
    Quoted from undrdog:

    Folks on Craigslist post their phone numbers in code, like s*v@n instead of 7. Seemed like an idea that looked like it worked, so I did it that way.

    It's pretty easy for an automated scraper to parse those. You're only making it more difficult for real people to read the contact info.

    Just enter your contact info in the proper fields that craigslist provides. Or if you don't want to publicly list your phone number, either don't list it at all, or just use a google voice number.

    Quoted from undrdog:

    No matter that it was after five and it would be at least a five hour drive from their area code.

    These days, area codes are pretty much meaningless. Lots of people don't end up changing their cell phone numbers when they move to a new area, so they end up having an out-of-area area code. Or, they could be using a google voice number.

    #178 29 days ago
    Quoted from undrdog:

    A text came in almost immediately. They were on their way to come get it today!

    ALWAYS say "Voice calls only" in your ads.

    This gets rid of 99% of the scammers

    #180 25 days ago
    Quoted from Scott250r:

    Pinballsarcadegames.com = scam! CA address, WI phone. Uses fake alias scott andrew leonhart, which is also a Facebook profile disguised to be a pinballer. Watch out people

    Total scammer. He posted some spam ads on RGP today. When you go to his Web site it looks pretty dodgy. His FB pages and Instagram the same. If you go to the Scott Andrew Leonhart FB page you'll see he and his family look whiter than Casper the Friendly Ghost, but 99% of his friends are from Nigeria or Cameroon.

    #181 20 days ago
    Quoted from Zartan:

    I was searching last night for some of the pins on my list and found pinballshore. They have my White Water CHEAP! I almost bought it but did a search on pinside for the company, and found them to be scammers! Quite happy to be part of pinside right now!

    Same experience here. So many red flags but a high end restoration Addams Family for $4,500 got my juices flowing. A search on Pinside saved me. Now looking back there were so many red flags. Stay vigilant my friends!

    1 week later
    #182 9 days ago

    artifexsp.com

    Scam!

    They had a Tulsa address on their website, so I chatted with them to see if I could pick up that EHOH Premium they had in stock. They were total sketch in the chat and English was poor.

    I feel retarded for typing in my phone/email in the contact form, I should have used a fake number. I was just hoping they were a legit retailer since we don’t have one in Tulsa.

    #183 9 days ago

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    Looking for a pinball in Tulsa,OK
    Ok
    Artifex sent this
    Where are you located
    Artifex sent this
    I’m in Tulsa

    (RED FLAG #1 ASKING MY LOCATION AFTER I JUST GAVE IT)

    Which Pinball do you want ?
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    (RED FLAG #2 POOR ENGLISH)

    do you have new ones in stock?
    Yes
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    We have new machines
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    Which type do you want
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    (RED FLAG #3 NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THIS MEANT - ASKING FOR TITLE MAYBE?)

    I like a lot of the new ones - Elvira, Star Wars, Guns and Roses
    Ok
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    We have mostly Star Wars
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    Are you collecting this machines for a show room or private use

    (RED FLAG #4 - WHY DOES THIS MATTER?)

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    private use
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    What’s your telephone number so that we can call
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    918 (I'm a total dumb*ss at this point for giving this out - I'm sure I'll get 5x SMISH now)

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    And you are the same person who has been calling to see the show room
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    ??
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    No - I called once today but didn’t leave a message
    I see
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    (RED FLAG #6 - STRANGE QUESTION)

    Browse through our Listings
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    You’ll see the machine you want
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    Then notify me
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    We can arrange for drop off at your address
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    Do you have new games in stock at your Tulsa location that I can pick up?
    Not at the moment
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    (RED FLAG #7 - AT THIS POINT I'M WISE ENOUGH NOT TO GIVE MY ADDRESS TOO)

    Shipment will come from Dc
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    ok - I’ll browse around and see what all is on your website
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    We mostly have Star Wars
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    which versions do you have? pro/premium/LE or comic pro/premium?
    artifexsp.com/?s=Star+Wars

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