I had both and sold AFM. RFM is cooler.

That being said, I'm intrigued by AFMr. I love the giant display and new animation.

Ugh. RfM is fun, but the video modes got old for me very fast. Same deal on the other Pin2K. I would never have a Pin2K back again. I might have an AfM again some day, but not the remake.

...uh, then get the classic. Oh, you DON'T want it just like the original? Got it.

Dude, have you played RFM? There are literally zero video modes. Zero. It's pure pinball and all projections from the monitor are interactive targets. AFM has a video mode!!!!

Yeah...whaaaaa? I think he means that lame AFM video mode. That one gets old real quick.

Not only have I played it, I've completed it. So, specifically, I was referring to the modes where video is overlaid on the screen in the form of comedic scenes with targets, where the comedy wears very thin very quickly due to the repetition. Didn't like it.

Oh, so you mean the entire game? The holograms?

RfM doesn't have holograms. It has reflections of video on the glass that overlay the playfield, but that's it. I wasn't a fan of the implementation and repetition, but it doesn't mean other people can't be. That said, the going prices in the mid 2's shows pretty clearly pin 2k is not that desirable. Compare that to $6,500-$8,000 for its predecessor, AfM.

While rfm isnt horrible and is kinda neat, its not in the same ball park as far as gameplay imo. Both have their place in collection's .

All pins can be repetitive and boring, you need to find the right titles for you.
RFM is a fantastic pin with incredible innovations
I played AFM recently and i find RFM the same (or maybe more) fun but for less money !!

Hoping to do this on the AFMr someday instead of just on the pinball arcade. Such a neat completion where the game just goes dead when you rule the universe.

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RFM is "neat" for being different but it wore on me very quickly. Felt like the games went on forever.

Yeah despite how clever and impressive the "floating" animations looked... it lost the general "randomness" pinball can seem to have and the scenes (modes) got repetitive real quick. "oh no it's the bar scene again"... that kinda deal.

I would be shocked if I could sell my lotr add 500 dollars and own an brand new afmr. That would be awesome although I doubt it will be sub 6000

Such a weird complaint. Every pinball machine has the same "scene" because it can't do anything otherwise. The late 90's B/W games tried to make one toy (MM castle, AFM ship, CP's boxer) into multiple characters through sound clips ...but you were always seeing the same toy. RFM gets you tons of characters and scenarios due to the hologram animation. You get the bar scene....then another, then another, then another! It has more variety on the playfield than any other game.

So hitting the same ship in AFM or the same castle in MM isn't repetition? Just such an odd complaint that is at odds with the reality of these games. Oh well, enjoy that AFM video mode lol.

I'm glad RFM is still cheap. It's a hidden gem...people can get a great game at a great price due to some odd prejudices by "purists" who don't even understand what the game is, even if they've played it. Meanwhile, people lost their shit over GB's Ecto goggles, which is a mini version of RFM's effect....yet pretty much does nothing lol.

Have they released the pricing info yet? It's supposed to be today, right?

Yeah I was excited about the platform and played it quite a bit when it was first released. I'm no Luddite when it comes to pinball. Still think the concept is cool.
I didn't expect to get tired of it before I could snag one but that's what happened.

It seems like you're upset with people that don't love it even after they've played the thing... which is odd. But like you said... "more gems for you"

MSRP's are up.

$6,799 = Classic
$7,599 = Special
$8,299 = LE
http://www.greatamericanpinball.com/products.asp?page=2&categoryId=30

Haha, yeah right. Alien it is!

Ok so these are the MSRP's so what the REAL prices? $1000 less?

From CGC:

AFM – Classic Edition $6,499 + freight
AFM – Special Edition $7,299 + freight
AFM – Limited Edition $7,999 + freight

Robert

You misunderstand. I don't care if you love it or want to chop it up with an axe....I just want some honesty. To say RFM has "video modes" is flat out wrong. A video mode is when the game stops...and you play a game on the display. Zero pinball happens during this time. That never happens on RFM, it's constantly physical pinball action. This game has had that misconception for years, and it's baffling....people still think it's the same as Baby Pac-Man....sometimes video, sometimes pinball - that's not the case with RFM. SWEp1? Sure, that game blows lol ...but RFM is pure PINBALL. If you don't like the game, that's fine.

Too high...my wallet is closed.

I actually think the pricing is quite fair considering today's market. People said after MMr there's no way they'd sell AFMr for less....and look, they are! ...and the LE is essentially the same price as MMr but you get way more stuff...the topper, the upgraded saucer lights, the giant screen, blades (I think?), etc...

Meh, they'll sell. Not to me though. It's an ok price and right where I expected to be honest. I'd rather buy a RFM and have the other $4000 in the bank.

It's a great time to be in pinball. More choices are always a good thing.

Who said that? They're idiots. Only people who made any sense were the ones who said no f**king way they could sell it for the same price as MMR.

What's freight like now? I figure around $400, is that ballpark? And what? Another $400 if you want to upgrade to color animations on the low end model? So $7300 shipped or so?

It's weird, I've had an AFM, wasn't overly thrilled with it...sold it...still have/love my RFM. I'm strangely intrigued by AFMr LE. I'm not going to rush out and order one, mind you....but I'll be watching.

If only PPS was able to, or did, include a new ruleset with their remakes It would be awesome if a new ruleset existed in additional to the original with the ability to choose either one in settings.

People who assumed CGC/PPS would be greedy and not go lower in price than their first game. Like you said....idiots. lol

Yeah, it just makes more sense to get the SE then, unless you really really don't want color dots!

What other ruleset would you want with AFM? Most people claim it to be perfection.

NO VIDEO MODE!

I'm just not sure I'm feeling the look. Maybe if the speakers didn't look so stupid the display would feel better. But yeah, if you pay for the color upgrade and it's actually $400 again that does close the delta.

Why don't you get the standard then? Add speaker lights if its a must but has the standard display and, to me the display is the only real huge benefit of upgrading.

PinballSTAR is taking orders NOW, ATTACK FROM MARS REMAKE is NOW available to order :

- Classic Edition : $ 6,499
Standard sized Color LCD score display, that can be set to any single color, can be upgraded to Full Color DMD for additional cost. All LED lighting throughout machine. Stainless steel cabinet trim. Shaker motor can be added at additional cost. Includes 6 month electronics warranty & 3 month mechanical warranty. $ 250 Deposit.

- Special Edition : $ 7,299
Extra large FULL Color LCD score display, Enhanced Sound System, Metallic Saucers, Tri-color LED on main saucer, stainless steel cabinet trim, multicolored backbox speakers, and shaker motor included. Includes 12 month electronics warranty & 6 month mechanical warranty. $ 250 Deposit

- Limited Edition (1000 units total) : $ 7,999
Extra large FULL Color LCD score display, Enhanced Sound System, Metallic Saucers, and Tri-color LEDs on ALL saucers. Cabinet trim options are : Black, Martian Green, and Stainless Steel. Cabinet mirror blades, multicolored backbox speakers, and shaker motor included. Custom designed Interactive mechanical martian topper designed by AFM artist Doug Watson. Martian moves up and down, his eyes light up, and multicolored Leds around topper. Numbered LE Medallion. Includes 24 month electronics warranty & 12 month mechanical warranty. $ 1,000 Deposit

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I jacked up the legs, made the game brutal. As well made it more enjoyable.

Is that cost still some kind of secret? Don't get why it's not spelled out, seems like something you'd want to know before you order.

It's listed as $399 on PPS announcement

LOL it doesn't work that way.

$6900 + freight will be the actual price on the low end model with color. Still much cheaper than MMR so obviously they thought about this a bit.

Okay, so same $400 like we figured. Guess they think as long as that's what a ColorDMD costs they can get away with it. Probably right too, it looks great, hard to not get it on principle. But yeah, base price is really $6900 then as far as I'm concerned.

Eh. It's not terrible, but it's not great either.

But to people like me it's 6500 and that's very respectable especially considering the non stop price increases going on now a days.

Are the LEs limited at all?

Haven't fallowed this thread, but the pricing seems reasonable. Maybe having more of them out their will increase my chances of getting a players used machine. I do hope this announcement doesn't take away money that would have otherwise gone to a new design.

Doesnt it seem that AFMr is a better value than MMr. At least looking at the actual mechs and included hardware?

Hey cool, you do you. All my DMD games have always been ColorDMD'd, going back to monochrome isn't something I care to do personally. If I buy it's with the color.

I dunno, I'm gonna chill on it. Right now the $400 color price is irritating me, but that's fine, ordering now seems stupid anyways. Plenty of time later after other people have tested the build process for me.

I just like that it's an option and not 6900 and comes with it. This is great for operators too. I expect to see standards all over locations.

Amen. RFM has a good base, but complete lack of ANY stacking makes for boring, linear games after a while. SWep1 is just a trainwreck.

RFM *had* a place in my collection, but couldn't pull muster and was summarily ejected. I like the tech but the game just got boring.

To 1000.