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I'm in - told my disty - the excellent sir Phil of pinball heaven to get me one 
I have MMR it's epic and expect same from AFMR
And it's not a copy - it's as original as the ones they made 20 years ago!
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Quoted from rotordave:I've never played a remake until today.
The MMR at the show, the flippers were a little weak (and aligned too low)
I guess they have the standard BW flippers assemblies and coils? And they work the same as fliptronics?
The MMR today seemed to feel a bit different to a BW WPC95 machine.
But it may just have been the machine I played. Maybe it's had a trashing. Like I said, I've never played an MMR before.
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I think its hard to compare even the same game. Ive played plenty of MM's and they all play slightly differently, ive played 5 different MMRs and they all play slightly differently but they all are similar too and that's between MMR and MM!
The flippers on MMR I think are actually stern (need to check), they are actually adjustable from a power point of view which the original MM didnt do. I love my MMR its one of my favourite machines and Im glad I was able to pick one up. The nonsense about them not being original or copies is exactly that nonsense. In my view they play alike enough that two different twenty year old MMs play. The build quality on my MMR is superb also.
Quoted from jgentry:Your right, its not a copy. It's completely different lighting and boards. It's not like the original in several ways. That's not necessarily a bad thing but it's silly to think it's the same.
I tend to think of it as a modern version, but the gameplay in my view is identical, perhaps a little sharper on the MMR compared to many MMs that have twenty years of wear...
Quoted from stangbat:No, they are not. They are the exactly the same from a mechanical standpoint as on WPC-95 games. They even use the same type of flipper optos for the cabinet buttons.
Thanks for clarifying, i rarely have to lift the playfield on my MMR so couldn't honestly remember.
Quoted from Manic:I'm fine with a remake too but remember what we learned about Churchill being fully in charge with MMr... you WILL keep what comes in the box no matter what.
A whole lot of MMr customers got stuck with factory second faded insert PF's and now have a machine worth less than the next customer. I know I wouldn't buy one with the faded inserts on the secondary market.
I won't mount some vocal campaign about it this time as if people didn't learn all they needed to know about this company LAST time... well it's hopeless.
But good luck to everybody regardless... (not sarcasm)
non-issue in my view.
Quoted from Manic:Yup. That's because you didn't get stuck with a defective PF on a MMr. People don't care until it happens to them.
That's how they got past the entire thing.
No mine has it, but it doesn't affect game play so in my mind isn't defective, I put the diffuser in and job done. Compared to stern playfield issues this is minor, imo.
Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:Nothing is directly obvious.
If a person is a hardcore collector, "new" does not make anything more lucrative. It actually works in reverse. They see through the veil. There is no pettiness, it is much more direct.
"New" pushes us away like poles on magnet. It is not exclusive to current or future values. Collectors will take a used original game in excellent condition, all the time, every day of the week for the equal cost of a remake, minor flaws included.
It only makes sense of you are player, simply want to own the game, or not willing to put effort, time, or skill into a restoration. Quite typical at the current moment, especially when some blame older collectors being the source of the problem by "hoarding" games.
Remakes are marketed to a different type of buyer, predominating new enthusiasts, and not a viable sales product in times of market stagnation as they fail or marginally successful, as senior collectors do not want them, new buyers are not around, and operator sales are small.
In your opinion I think there are several different types of collector.
I'm a collector of all things BMW I have as many brand new BMW cars as I have old BMW cars, I do some parts of restoration if I have time - and it's something I can do a good job on.
I'm also a collector of all things NASA - here is where I align more to your definition - with older stuff being more valuable purely because the early days of manned space flight was more exciting. But I a have lot of brand new Omega Speedmaster watches that commemorate Project Apollo.
On pinball I want to collect and be able to play the games, my ideal world is find a warehouse full of brand new in box B/W games such as MM, MB or AFM. In my opinion the re-makes fall into this category and I have a MMR and will have AFMR - the playability of the games is why I collect them. Not to look at them or polish them with the softest diaper, I want them to look great and play great and be reliable hence new appeals - my MMR by a million miles is more reliable than my 2 new sterns my MB, STTNG, DEST25 and my BoP and it plays just like the original.
Great example recently that illustrate this was the NIB robotron cocktails that were discovered.
it's the game I want and if the remake gives me that game - I'll collect it.
Neil
Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:This is inaccurate, but common wishful thinking by new owners.
Original MM games in equal condition sell between $2-5K more based on regional markets. No sparkle required. Just solid, working, complete, and clean.
Remakes are not worth more than original either, unless they are junk, and even partial games can sell for over $4-5K, as a competent dealer knows how to do a playfield swap with replacement parts, and slap new decals on a cabinet. They do it with glee and double their money.
Values of originals are slowly on a return rise. Remake values are falling, as NIB remain available for those who wish to purchase.
This is not unique to MMr or future game remakes, but applies to all remade games until flatline collector value is reached, with a handful of exceptions based on extreme rarity and collectibility.
People do not buy remakes to collect, they buy them to exclusively play. It is a different type of owner in the current market.
It has nothing to do with quality of construction, extra features, or bling. It also does not mean originals are not played and kept as coveted objects either.
in your opinion.
Quoted from rubberducks:Hence why I included the MMr price for reference.
I think it's unlikely this goes for below $6k. If it does, then either CGC or the UK distributor has decided to increase margins in the UK market - seems unlikely when there's a squeeze from Brexit and surging consumer prices from weak Sterling.
there is no squeeze from Brexit, infact exactly the opposite. There is an exchange rate difference but thats it. Trade is up, growth is up, life is good.
Quoted from rubberducks:Pricing has been released in the UK.
£6995
£7995
£8695
For reference, MMr standard is £8295 standard, £8695 with colour for the DMD.
Obviously going to be quite a bit cheaper than MMr in the US, but ~$6000-6500 looks likely.
Well Phil has stated that its not the stated pricing and this was his web designer copying and pasting from another part of the website... but if those prices are real then I'm definitely in for the LE.
Quoted from Kiwipinhead:Let's not forget there is a lot of tax in the UK prices
6995 pounds = $8754.24 US
20% sales tax and shipping and a very weak pound. The most pessimistic of us (not me!) are expecting it to be more expensive, I'm hoping for it just to be parity at MMR.
Neil.
Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:Think about where you are, and the current economic situation surrounding you.
European and overseas markets are not the USA, which I clearly stated.
I am not evaluating your market at the present time.
I knows others that are, and are buying machines as quality permits and much lower prices that the United States.
I'm not just talking about Europe/UK which is different owing to supply for sure. Looking at the US market as I have the ability to import if I chose to I don't see what you are seeing.
If someone wants a remake badly enough they will pay for it, if someone wants an original badly enough, they will pay for it, on MM I wanted a remake but didn't want to wait for it to be built, I do agree that NIB in stockrooms limits the upper price for the remakes.
CGC are focusing on the games that have limited supply for a good reason, they know that people will take the easy route of having a NIB without having to kick the tyres on an original and the pain it takes to find a good one.
However, there is as much of an art of knowing how to sell and when, thats why we see Star Trek:TNG's going for silly money here in the UK now. I think its easy to see patterns in things like this, however when you dig deep the patterns don't always (but I agree sometimes) stand up to scrutiny. At the end of the day though, you spend your money and you take your choices. I've got a MB and I'll happily sell it and buy a remake just because the remakes have fantastic build quality in my view. My local distributor tells me he has had the lowest level of pain from MMR than any other game for almost ten years, a lot of people value that (I certainly do .
The market is changing as more people want machines; i wouldn't call them collectors in the traditional sense but collectors they are.
Cheers,
Neil.
Quoted from rubberducks:I have a hard time thinking that you actually believe that.
In purchasing power parity terms (no other measure is relevant in the current discussion re: pricing of machines in different markets), the UK's GDP has fallen 15-20% in the past 18 months. Inflation is likely to surge. Wage growth looks like it will be heavily negative, in real terms. A crude measure of GDP is 'up'? Well, forecasts were revised up. Almost entirely sustained by obscene consumer credit expansion and subsequent or simultaneous spending. Something that isn't sustainable. If you believe that growth has exceeded what it would have been had there been neither a referendum in the first place, nor a vote to leave, I have no words for you.
If you want to use crude measures, then our economy was ~19th fastest growing in the EU last year. Given the huge devaluation, a potentially enormous divorce bill from the EU (depending on what happens, potentially over €100Bn) and a cloud hanging over our terms of trade not just with the EU, but virtually every large trading partner, this seems less than fantastic.
But go on, I'm sure blind optimism will keep the country "open for business", as people in the Government keep repeating ad nauseum.
Anyway, for said reasons, I don't see raising margins in the UK market as particularly likely at the moment, for CGC or PH their UK distributor.
no idea where you get this stuff!
"What is being done with AFMR LE for existing MMR LE customers is to give them the ability to have the same LE# that they had for MMR LE and prioritize them in line for a game from Chicago Gaming. The stipulation is that a deposit be received by April 15th ... that is new as of this morning and had come from a conference call with all the resellers."
awesome!!!! 
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