Meh, I don't care about the green trim and prefer no mirror blades. I don't see me getting a LE, the topper looks cool, but I am not really a topper guy. It's like Stern sells BM pim with a topper and all the sudden they think this is a value added feature (like mirror blades) that should be a person preference feature. So likely the middle edition looks to be the way to go. See about pricing.

I think it's gay that they don't all have the same warranty and whoever came up with that policy should be shot.

It's been 80 years, and pinball playfields are still wearing out.....

Yeah. Game of thrones proved that in spades. haha.

Rick does claim he has the rights.

70 years on this one.

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He claimed to have the rights to make BBB is all that I know of since Williams bought those.

Friggin' Gottlieb!!! Look at that shooter lane after only 70 years.

All they care about is making a profit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Oh I know playfields wear out but Vid these games are not wearing out...they are instantly defective.

Just quit buying them.

It's too much heartache.

And the area around that kickout hole is just atrocious!

I actually want to buy but am waiting patiently for this to get sorted out, which I am sure will.

It was just announced a few minutes ago on Stern's live feed that they will not be making the AFMRs. Who will be doing the manufacturing?

Right now I'm hesitant to buy any NIB game that does not have a Mirco playfield (used in JJP and Heighway games) in it.

I recently spoke to someone who bought a new GB Premium about a month ago and while he said that the playfield is fine that it is dimpling far more then his other older Stern and Bally / Williams games. He believes that something must of changed with the clear process or with the wood itself, I agree.

CGC

Does anyone know where and in what country they will ne made?

Chicago

Chicago Mexico

http://www.chicago-gaming.com/

Sorry, but Stern dimple talk is just annoying at this point. There is no dimple-gate. It's not a thing. I picked up 3 new Sterns last year and none are dimpling any more or less than any other Stern ever.

The SMVE does have some ghosting inserts (definitely a thing), but nobody notices but me and Stern is going to replace it.

And for all the JJP strokers, wasn't this a Mirco playfield?

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I haven't seen any Sterns do that.

Thanks. We will be in Chicago later this year. We would like to have a look.

Here is a good story from pinball news to check out:
http://www.pinballnews.com/learn/churchill/index.html

Sorry if this has been covered. Will AFMr have the upgraded hi-Rez animations that we saw with MMr? To me, that screen was the most compelling reason to consider the remake. I see the wider colour dots, but nothing in the images is suggesting the improved resolution that we saw with MMr. Anybody??

I very rarely comment on prices, but there is just too much choice around now for this to be richly priced. How many thousands of new machines have hit the ground in the last five years? I will definitely take a standard somewhere between a Stern pro/premium. A dollar more than a premium and meh, I'll be happy with the dozens of other options.

Not sure I'm ready to pull the trigger on this one, but I'd be willing to buy somebody's (now worthless!) original AFM to help them with the upgrade!

No doubt man. GoT is so bright in some modes i have lost balls.

What do you mean? After seeing AFMr the originals jumped by 2 grand!

Yeah, but you guys posting on the price don't get the business model ....

Just hypothetically ...

100 units sold at $8000 = 800,000 less say $5000 per unit cost = $300,000 profit.

To make the same profit at $6500 retail, they'd need to make and sell 200 machines. ($1500 profit x 200 = $300k)

Selling less machines for more profit is what a business dreams of doing.

(The $5000 is an arbitratory figure, I think it would actually be far less than that, but the figures above make my point)

rd

This is:

http://christopherhutchins.com/gallery/album644?page=2

The ones I saw today were just huge dots.

Reminded me of a redemption machine or something.

rd

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I personally think this is GREAT news...sign me up for one HUO SE...I remember when they started taking deposits for MMr, weren't they at the time also talking about CC being next up? (This was years ago).

I'm in - told my disty - the excellent sir Phil of pinball heaven to get me one

I have MMR it's epic and expect same from AFMR

And it's not a copy - it's as original as the ones they made 20 years ago!

Your right, its not a copy. It's completely different lighting and boards. It's not like the original in several ways. That's not necessarily a bad thing but it's silly to think it's the same.

I've never played a remake until today.

The MMR at the show, the flippers were a little weak (and aligned too low)

I guess they have the standard BW flippers assemblies and coils? And they work the same as fliptronics?

The MMR today seemed to feel a bit different to a BW WPC95 machine.

But it may just have been the machine I played. Maybe it's had a trashing. Like I said, I've never played an MMR before.

rd

Excited about this! Have had my name on local disty's list for a month or so now...

Me too!!

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The flipper strength is adjustable, and everyone seems to have a different number that feels good to them. I forget offhand, but I have mine on +3 or +4 ...and they're as good as an original.

I kind of had the same reaction after playing MMR at a show last year. didn't feel quite right.
How did the AFMR feel in comparison?

Did you see any of the animation? On MMR, the score dots are the same as original (big dots) and the animation is smaller dots for a higher resolution on the artwork itself.

I think its hard to compare even the same game. Ive played plenty of MM's and they all play slightly differently, ive played 5 different MMRs and they all play slightly differently but they all are similar too and that's between MMR and MM!

The flippers on MMR I think are actually stern (need to check), they are actually adjustable from a power point of view which the original MM didnt do. I love my MMR its one of my favourite machines and Im glad I was able to pick one up. The nonsense about them not being original or copies is exactly that nonsense. In my view they play alike enough that two different twenty year old MMs play. The build quality on my MMR is superb also.

I tend to think of it as a modern version, but the gameplay in my view is identical, perhaps a little sharper on the MMR compared to many MMs that have twenty years of wear...

My experience as well. Just feels different. Flippers felt spongy - hard to describe.

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in my experience, a lot of games "at shows" play like garbage

BAD FORM!
This is FUN!'s thread... go do you own... oh wait you already did.

Interested to see as others are where pricing comes in and what QC issues need to get sorted as games get produced and delivered. I'm in no hurry this time around -- I preordered MMRLE in the parking lot during a funeral! I don't have that enthusiasm in me this time around and I'd need to get rid of LOTR to make room. Looks good though so far.

I understand the business model of 3 gaming levels but i miss the days when just 1 complete game was made.

I don't want to miss out on some of the goodies on LE's[yes you can keep the green trim] but the price point is just ridiculous. And yes i know it's not released yet [price]but have an expectation that it will meet the current market. Too high for me.

I wonder, will one of these remakes make it into the SCS bank tomorrow?

Why didn't they put the buildings on the back board..was that not origional? Looks soon plain in the background....

No, they are not. They are the exactly the same from a mechanical standpoint as on WPC-95 games. They even use the same type of flipper optos for the cabinet buttons.

Yes, I think that's the case.

Look at this animation while Trent was playing. Looks to be smaller dots.

rd

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