not sure what pps charges for shipping but I thought it was more than $250. Regardless, if I can avoid shipping for a few hundred on a NIB I think that's a wise choice.

Taxes are the price of a civil society and I'll pay them to support a local pinball distributor/store. On the other hand, I don't think twice about buying other electronics online. Best Buy may not have what I need and they already get tax breaks from the city for building their store to drive out the mom and pop operations so...

Mylar cabinet button protectors are fairly common, you might get some.

I've never installed those over decals before, only screened cabinets. What happens if you need to remove them for any reason?

I think you are supposed to wax the area first for easier removal with a hair dryer.

It's mylar, they peel right off.....easy.....no damage.

LOL

How hard is it to replace the rails? I'd be worried about damaging the decals getting them off.

Are there any pics of under the playfield??

Rails are pretty easy to remove but they are held in place with double sided tape.
Generally the tape can be sliced off with a putty knife inserted under rail.

Just protect the finish below the rail with a thin nylon scraper and blue tape as you go along cutting the tape. Be careful about this.

If you do scrape up the decal where the tape is, it will never show as its under the rail.

bigd1979's post #1979 in this thread.

LTG : )

Thanks Lloyd!

Wait a sec, there's not that many posts yet

Crap, I used last part of his Pinside moniker.

Try #1078

Sorry.

LTG : )

You mean the cling mylar protectors, yes they will pull right off.
I hear its an ok product for home use.

Cling Mylar protectors? Never heard of them. Where do you get them?

https://www.titanpinball.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=138

there was a thread about it:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-vinyl-protector-sheets

I got paranoid about ring damage and searched around for a solution - found Pinball Decals (PDI) button guards. They're made of tough Makrolon (polycarbonate) and don't use any adhesive. They're held in place by the button itself. Bit higher on the price side, but I'm very happy with them on my machine. They'd definitely go on an AFMr if I get one some day!

http://www.pinballdecals.com/ButtonGuardProtectorsPage.html

I will give these a try. Thanks.

I cut my own out of Avery self-adhesive laminating sheets, available at Staples or any office supply place. They go on every pin I get, and come off without issues. I have a bunch on location and haven't lost one yet after years of use.

Couldn't resist. I secured an AFMr LE with Black Trim thru Craig at Fun!.

Pretty damn excited.

Marcus

I have a question about the topper for AFM-R. Are the mechanics located behind the topper (on the other side of the wall), or is there something that mounts in the backbox that makes the martian bounce? Just asking because my ceiling is too low, and was thinking of mounting the topper near the game, and running whatever wires back into the game. Anyone know?

I'm gonna skip the game entirely and just get a topper, use it for a hood ornament on my pin hauler.

Yes.

LTG : )

what is the height in mm of the new topper?

From CGC: Topper is 9.5" above the top of the backbox, which is 76" with levelers pretty high = 85.5" or 217cm

Is more clearance needed for the bouncing alien?

Whoah good question. Hopefully it's at the maximum height in resting position. I guess it would look kind of cool if it made a hole in my ceiling though!

No.

LTG : )

So I've been looking for an Attack from Mars for awhile now and just haven't been able to find one at a decent price anywhere near fly-over country. I also previously said my cut off price for an MMR would be around 6K...okay so given the market conditions and ever rising cost of new machines, this price point may have been a little low. Regardless of all of that, I got in touch with Mike at pinballs.com (aka Automated Services), and put down my $250 deposit for the $7,599 SE version with free shipping, since this will come with the color display and shaker motor, I felt it was a decent price ... but it better damn well come with coin mechs!!!

BWAAAHHAHHAHHA.
Good luck.

I too want an AFM... but I'm spending my pin money on the P3.

So I played the AFMr 's at the Festival and compared to my Original they played like crap but I was shocked about the lighting on all 3 models. Ghosting LED's and flashing when it shouldn't of been. I have a chance to buy a regular MM vs. an MMr and now am so confused. I played an MMr a few years back at TPF and it played like crap and the lighting was again sub par. If you had a chance to buy an original mint game vs. an MMr would you take the original ? What about AFMr vs. all of the simple problems I noticed ? I know this has been discussed but any help would be appreciated. Dazed and confused...

Not really free shipping bc they are 7300 without shipping so your paying the 300 shipping. Awesome pin enjoy....

I always perfer original but thats just me. I do like some the features on the remakes but perfer things on the original over them .

I had just the opposite experience.
6 months ago I was in the market for an AFM.
Played a very good condition AFM at a friends house.
Lights were dim, flippers were slightly weak for the angle of 6.8 on the PF.
Inserts were a little dim from the #44 bulbs, and the flashers were also dim.
Sound from the speakers was a little fuzzy being 20 year old speakers I think, plus no Sub or mid range speakers, just old standard sound.
DMD had a little burn-in and was a little ghosted.
Some warping on the plastics and a little fade from the #44 bulbs.
Slight cabinet wear and red was faded.
But over-all a very good better than average game from the 90's.
The game was very well maintained, but stock in all ways.
The game could be rebuilt and modernized for about $6000 + $5500 to buy the game.
I was really thinking of buying it from him.

A few weeks back I was invited to play an AFMr at PPS the game was vibrant and bright.
Flippers were strong and crisp, playfield was as smooth as butter, played fast and strong.
Fully adjustable coils for great play at any PF angle.
Enhanced sound system just ROCKED!
Inserts were like glowing jewels.
The big LCD screen and hi resolution color animations were lightyears ahead of the old classic game.
The insert flashing can be adjusted high, medium or low or emulate incandescent bulbs. Faster flashing is really good on this for me.
The game played fast and solid.
Its stunning in person, if you can, look at it with the glass off, It's absolutely beautiful.

Brand new Stunning NIB game $7999 (picked up), Its a Steal!

I immediately bought it that day.

Rick said (somewhere) that U.S. machines will all have coin mechs.

BWAAAHHAHHAHHA.
Good luck.

Yes that is the plan, all US games will have coin mechs.

Was the play field already chipping on the poor playing AFMR?

The original one u played sounded like a mess and its probably good u passed on it for the price lol.

It really wasnt that bad. They waxed it a bit, never changed the rubber, star posts filled with wax etc.
Typical home game bought off a route at one time.
SOL was a little burned out but a Cliffy would cover that easily

There just isnt a lot of selection in my local area, the game I looked at is as good as it gets here.
Im thinking that it may be the same in a lot of other areas around the US.
At least It wasnt a $4000 flood damaged victim.

So the people that are actually in the market to buy a AFM are saying the AFMr is a great playing game. And the people that already own a AFM are saying it's a dog. Who do you believe????? I won't know until I get to play one at Allentown Pinfest.

pinballinreno to date every original AFM I have played were in the same condition you are describing.

I'm not currently in the market for any of these (MMr or AFMr) but I've played a lot of original MM's and one MMr. They played the same to me. If I decide to get into one down the road I'm going to look for an AFMr unless I get a steal on an original.

The flippers were weak but they can be adjusted. That's probably what seemed like crap.

The enthusiasts here have their games "dialed-in" to play perfectly.

Im the same way with my games, they play perfectly because I set them up to play perfectly and tweaked and adjusted everything.
It takes 100 games to get one to play perfectly and I still might tweak it more down the road a bit.

Games set up at shows are put up in a hurry. They are brand new and the guys barely know the settings menu to make adjustments "learning about it on the fly".

They are showing the game, and all the time people say the games at shows play like crap.
I just dont think theres a lot of time to dial them in every time they move them to a new location. Potential customers want to play them as soon as you power it up in a lot of cases.

If your in the market for AFMr, I would pull the trigger on this. Its a pretty good deal on the SE and LE.
I bought the LE as it has a reallly good warranty, way over the top for pinball game.
PPS and CGC are breaking new ground on warranty this year.

Most of the market will go for the AFMR over original. New is new and most people prefer new. And especially when the price is comparable. It sounds like they sold a ton of the LE's alone at the release. And at some point all 1000 of them will sell, then there are still the SE and base sales, well over 1000 pin sales by the time the production run is over. The same thing happened with MMR, all 1000 LEs sold and a bunch of regular models as well. Go look at the marketplace to see and compare the difference in the amount of original AFM and MM sales over the last few years. Tens of pins sold.

And, imo it's a no-brainer if this is a dream theme or #1 pin for someone; buying it NIB will be full of awesome and memorable moments, from deposit through delivery, unboxing then eventual play.

Either way, enjoy your pins. There is no right or wrong choice.

I don't think it's a question of new or original. Finding an original is not easy unless roll the dice and get one off the internet. Then you still have to deal with typical issues of 20 year old routed pin. Here you can just pick up the phone and get one new with a warranty delivered to your front door. Maybe the original is better in some ways but there are only so many out there. Most I have seen are either blown out or fully restored.

What does a restored AFM from Bryan Kelly sell for on the secondary market?

asking price 12-14k for now, I expect a price drop just like MM.

Very few in my market area.

So is it confirmed that AFMr will ship with the 'cliffy' protectors at the two scoops? All versions of the game?

unlikely. a BK machine is better than NIB. I don't see them dropping in price.
A standard player's quality sure... but not a recently BK restored AFM.