Quoted from dzoomer:Sure, let's get this up and down, but don't confuse my premise. From what I've seen, the evidence easily shows that PPS/CGC did not *knowingly* ship faded PF's to valued customers, and certainly no more than Stern *knowingly* shipped bad pf's to valued customers. Where is this evidence??? The faded insert MMR PF's were made early and shipped out before they were eventually discovered, and in small enough batches that most owner's have no significant issues. As you yourself say, both earlier and later owners report no significant faded MMR inserts. I guess I find like most things in life, things aren't black and white as you appear to make it be. My "apologist" attitude may not not ideal, but it reflects reality, which is not black and white.
I assume they are not blind and have *some* quality control. But even if they didn't... the moment people started squawking about the inserts they said "we'll have a fix". This was early on... people waited for news as Churchill KEPT shipping these PF's. Then even though people groaned about the silly "fix" to hide the problem... they then KEPT shipping these PF's for months until they ran out of them or were shamed into stopping.
I was there from the start - you may not like it but it WAS "black and white". You want to muddy it up dragging in other companies and now you want to muddy up the timeline. I'd think you were a shareholder if they had them.
Like I've said repeatedly... they were good before this and good after this. I'd think my unbiased view would make you happy.
I'm perfectly happy with the hypocrite and apologist labels so I'm glad to let it go.
In fact I'm missing a shitty episode of "Bar Rescue" right now for this. Shame on you