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Attack From Mars Remake (AFMr) Owners Club

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#3301 6 years ago

did someone have a problem with the delivered inside protector?

i would only take a cliffy if i had already wear

with the original protector you will not get a problem

i had this years in my original AFM

#3302 6 years ago
Quoted from MrSanRamon:

I was playing a game, had a couple extra balls and finished my second multi-ball when all the balls finally drained.
When the next ball started, the game was not playing like it should feature wise, then I realized instead of being in ball 3, I was in ball 1 of a new game and the score was reset.
Has anyone had that happen to them?
Robert

Yes. A bunch of times with my kids. At times, if you hit the start button while in the middle of a game it will start a new game.

#3303 6 years ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

At what price point will cliffy protectors be included, 15K?

What I am told is CGC does not offer Cliffy's with the games due to purists. However even though I do not use Cliffys all the time due to how they make the game look (like you are hiding something) , I do not consider myself a "purist" (maybe I really am one) I think it would be nice to just have them included not installed. But wouldn't that be like admitting that your play fields are weak or don't hold up in the long run? hmmm....

#3304 6 years ago
Quoted from paynemic:

It’s weird to me that people are SO negative about playfield protectors and so up about cliffys. Don’t get me wrong, I love cliffys, but mostly for already damaged spots. Aren’t these really the same thing? They both change the look and both affect play. I can’t see why having a cliffy over a damaged spot vs over a pristine playfield is really different. I’m choosing to play AFMR with a little mylar in key spots and if damage happens, then I’ll add cliffys. Am I completely alone in this opinion?

I don't like any cover on my playfield. It's a personal opinion and I think that all opinions are just that. Opinions. Myself included.

I can see people wanting them. I do enjoy playfield perfection.

I'm going to start watching thier placement in the field. Also I bet covers are important when routing pinball.

#3305 6 years ago
Quoted from PinMonk:

You're alone only in that you haven't had a negative experience with these new modern sissified playfield clearcoats yet. You will. It's just a matter of time. They're more brittle somehow and the level of hardiness seems to have little rhyme or reason. Edges are the easiest point of breakage, so covering edges with a cliffy is a smart hedge these days, and they're so thin I don't buy that they affect gameplay enough to matter (except on like KISS where the scoop is designed too small to begin with).

Well said. The new made Churchill playfeilds will show more wear. Doing nothing is just a worn playfeild.

#3306 6 years ago
Quoted from Onwallst:

Well said. The new made Churchill playfeilds will show more wear. Doing nothing is just a worn playfeild.

Not to mention the inconsistency. You would think that this process would be a no brainer by now. It's almost like their playin around with the chemistry still.

#3307 6 years ago
Quoted from PinMonk:

JJP is now including actual Cliffies from the factory on Dialed In. Just verified that the changeover happened around Jan 30th. It took a while, but it's another industry-leading decision by Jack.

Doug has said that putting cliffys on games might upset purests who want the game to be as close to the original as possible. He also said that offering them as an optional upgrade could be a production nightmare.

Hopefully they Lok at what JJP is now doing and step things up. Considering their pfs are notorious for chipping, putting in protectors would prevent edge chipping, and save us a lot of time having to do it.

The castle lock hole protector on MMR was a huge pain in the ass to install!

#3308 6 years ago
Quoted from whthrs166:

Not to mention the inconsistency. You would think that this process would be a no brainer by now. It's almost like their playin around with the chemistry still.

EPA + cost cutting.

#3309 6 years ago

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#3310 6 years ago
Quoted from whthrs166:

What I am told is CGC does not offer Cliffy's with the games due to purists. However even though I do not use Cliffys all the time due to how they make the game look (like you are hiding something) , I do not consider myself a "purist" (maybe I really am one) I think it would be nice to just have them included not installed. But wouldn't that be like admitting that your play fields are weak or don't hold up in the long run? hmmm....

I think it makes all the sense in the world to "INSTALL" cliffy's day one....installing the protectors at the factory makes all the sense in the world. As most know some are a pain in the butt to install. In my experience on dozens of games they have very little effect on game play. I think the real reason is most manufacturers are cheap

#3311 6 years ago
Quoted from PtownPin:

I think it makes all the sense in the world to "INSTALL" cliffy's day one....installing the protectors at the factory makes all the sense in the world. As most know some are a pain in the butt to install. In my experience on dozens of games they have very little effect on game play. I think the real reason is most manufacturers are cheap

JJP has now upped the game by including actual Cliffies from the factory. We'll see if the others just keep offering excuses.

#3312 6 years ago
Quoted from monte_:

if you hit the start button while in the middle of a game it will start a new game.

As far as I know both hands were on the flipper buttons and my feet were on the floor...and the dog is too short, so pushing the start button didn't happen in all probability.

Robert

#3313 6 years ago
Quoted from MrSanRamon:

As far as I know both hands were on the flipper buttons and my feet were on the floor...and the dog is too short, so pushing the start button didn't happen in all probability.
Robert

You can minimize the potential by changing "Game restart" to "slow" which requires a press to be held before it restarts.

#3314 6 years ago
Quoted from PinMonk:

You can minimize the potential by changing "Game restart" to "slow" which requires a press to be held before it restarts.

I never new this! Thank you posting that.

#3315 6 years ago
Quoted from Azmodeus:

I don't like any cover on my playfield. It's a personal opinion and I think that all opinions are just that. Opinions. Myself included.
I can see people wanting them. I do enjoy playfield perfection.
I'm going to start watching thier placement in the field. Also I bet covers are important when routing pinball.

yes, and having the playfield protector allows me to enjoy the game more, since I can 'play the heck out of it, and just have fun!' without worrying about damaging the clearcoat. I was really hammering on it yesterday when I was able to shoot around the left orbit not twice, but three times and pulled my knee out a bit in the process... I'm a newb too so I don't know what it's like without the pp so if one day I remove it, it will be a bonus if there is a huge improvement.

#3316 6 years ago

So ive been following this thread for a good while and i was interested in picking any of the remakes up in may(fingers crossed). Frankly im a bit concerned about some of the issues people are having less than a year after they've dropped 7K+. I'm not trying to throw salt in no wounds but is anything being done about these issues?

#3317 6 years ago
Quoted from bitpatrol:

yes, and having the playfield protector allows me to enjoy the game more, since I can 'play the heck out of it, and just have fun!' without worrying about damaging the clearcoat. I was really hammering on it yesterday when I was able to shoot around the left orbit not twice, but three times and pulled my knee out a bit in the process... I'm a newb too so I don't know what it's like without the pp so if one day I remove it, it will be a bonus if there is a huge improvement.

The other (but much more expensive) option is to buy a second playfield, and have that on standby for the day when your current look beat up. I'm considering doing that for my MMR, as it will likely be a game I never let go of. I might even send the backup pf to Ron Kruzman to get a proper clear job, and then one day dar down the road, when I want a new playing MMR, I have the pf ready to go.

And with the one I remove, I can always have that one restored so my son can one day own a "new" game.

#3318 6 years ago

Are chrome balls safe to use in my AFMr ?

#3319 6 years ago
Quoted from PinMonk:

You can minimize the potential by changing "Game restart" to "slow" which requires a press to be held before it restarts.

Yes, I know...I have grandkids over and they apparently love to push buttons.

Robert

#3320 6 years ago
Quoted from Budman:

Are chrome balls safe to use in my AFMr ?

What kind of "chrome" balls do you mean? The regular balls are just polished metal.

Chrome is a plating and would probably be a bad idea...as soon as the chrome starts to peel it would play hell with the playfield.

Robert

#3321 6 years ago

Ninja chrome balls from Ball Baron

#3322 6 years ago

did all my afmr chores today (apart from cliffies). plastic protectors rock!

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#3323 6 years ago
Quoted from Budman:

Ninja chrome balls from Ball Baron

Sure, they're not plated just polished...about 2x what you can get them for at PinballLife.

They do get magnetized easier than regular balls...on games with magnets.

Robert

#3324 6 years ago
Quoted from Budman:

Are chrome balls safe to use in my AFMr ?

No magnets on AFM, any ball will work.

#3325 6 years ago
Quoted from Damien:

The other (but much more expensive) option is to buy a second playfield, and have that on standby for the day when your current look beat up. I'm considering doing that for my MMR, as it will likely be a game I never let go of. I might even send the backup pf to Ron Kruzman to get a proper clear job, and then one day dar down the road, when I want a new playing MMR, I have the pf ready to go.
And with the one I remove, I can always have that one restored so my son can one day own a "new" game.

I have a spare MMr playfield just in case, and will get an AFMr when it's available. But then again I have spareitis and have spare everything for all my games. It's a condition...

#3326 6 years ago
Quoted from Budman:

Ninja chrome balls from Ball Baron

I am not saying you should not use the plated balls but, When I got my MM it had Brass ones in it (gold) they eventually started sheading (plating coming off)
Not Good! There was metal plating everywhere. I took me awhile to get it all out of there and I still will see a flake or two once in awhile. The balls will hit each other and it just hammers that plate job! The balls that the games come with are polished steel for a reason.

#3327 6 years ago
Quoted from Damien:

The other (but much more expensive) option is to buy a second playfield,

Man, what a shame to have to do this with a brand new game! I know there are some guys that have extra play fields for each and every one of their games. But those are originals.

#3328 6 years ago

better pic here...

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#3329 6 years ago
Quoted from whthrs166:

Man, what a shame to have to do this with a brand new game! I know there are some guys that have extra play fields for each and every one of their games. But those are originals.

Nature of the beast I suppose. The shooter lane in my 1 year old MMR was starting to look like my 22 year old TOM!

The true shame is that a lot of people (many right here in this thread) just accept it.

#3330 6 years ago
Quoted from pintechev:

No magnets on AFM, any ball will work

Yes, pointing it for info (for anyone who reads the post)...he doesn't have any games with magnets as far as I can tell.

Robert

#3331 6 years ago
Quoted from Budman:

Ninja chrome balls from Ball Baron

What kind of Ninja would have chrome balls? Black? Probably. Chrome? Eh....

#3332 6 years ago
Quoted from Damien:

Nature of the beast I suppose. The shooter lane in my 1 year old MMR was starting to look like my 22 year old TOM!
The true shame is that a lot of people (many right here in this thread) just accept it.

This is shocking and unacceptable in a home-use environment. If it's true, I guess I'm a little more sympathetic about PF protectors

snaroff

#3333 6 years ago
Quoted from Damien:

Nature of the beast I suppose. The shooter lane in my 1 year old MMR was starting to look like my 22 year old TOM!
The true shame is that a lot of people (many right here in this thread) just accept it.

how many plays?

#3334 6 years ago
Quoted from Damien:

Nature of the beast I suppose. The shooter lane in my 1 year old MMR was starting to look like my 22 year old TOM!

Well they had better get it together if they are going to sell enough of these remakes! They can start by taking care of their loyal customers so that they are return customers. I think there are more people watching here than we or they may realize.

#3335 6 years ago
Quoted from snaroff:

This is shocking and unacceptable in a home-use environment. If it's true, I guess I'm a little more sympathetic about PF protectors
snaroff

Never used a protector, and personally have no desire to, but then again, this chipping thing is just ridiculous.

Quoted from NeilMcRae:

how many plays?

The clear coat in the shooter started chipping after about 500 plays, and then started turning black in a small spot at around 1000 plays. I clean and wax regularly. Wen I noticed the black wear mark, I immediately put a Cliffy on (should have done it day one). However, I have seen many original B/W games with thousands of plays on them that still look great. It's hard to compare because there has not been enough time to really test MMR. But I can imagine that without protectors, 20 years from now, this game would not look good.

Quoted from whthrs166:

Well they had better get it together if they are going to sell enough of these remakes! They can start by taking care of their loyal customers so that they are return customers. I think there are more people watching here than we or they may realize.

I have spoken to Doug on the phone, and CGC support over email many times. They are very nice, and always seems very willing to help. But for reasons I probably don't fully understand, they do not seem to want to acknowledge or address this chipping issue. I think they're just justifying it by saying that EPA standards have changed and so on, but this definitely doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this machine will stand the test of time. So far, we've seen that the edges of these games chip almost by just looking at them. What will happen 10 years from now? Will they start planking and cracking in other areas? I know the clear gets thinner as it goes off to the edges, but I'm still a bit worried about this.

Truth be told, I really want to be a loyal remake customer. After getting MMR, I said I would buy anything you put out. That was until I got AFMR and the chipping hadn't immediately. I just took a look tonight, and I now have chipping on both sides of the SOL. Basically every exposed edge of this game is now chipped. It's pretty disappointing.

#3336 6 years ago
Quoted from NeilMcRae:

better pic here...

Those look great! Where did you pick them up? I’m thinking about some of those and some translucent rubbers.

#3337 6 years ago
Quoted from Damien:

Truth be told, I really want to be a loyal remake customer. After getting MMR, I said I would buy anything you put out. That was until I got AFMR and the chipping hadn't immediately. I just took a look tonight, and I now have chipping on both sides of the SOL. Basically every exposed edge of this game is now chipped. It's pretty disappointing

Don't blame you a bit for feeling like that. I believe this issue is whats driving people to just pick up a nice original or a different game. I am on the fence right now on purchasing another remake. I was planning on getting a MBr but with the playfield issues the originals had, I can't say I can count on CGC to remaster that game. That pf needs serious remastering (improvements) otherwise it will do the same thing the original did. Now the clear coat seems to be a problem. I restored a MB I know what needs to be done to that pf to have a reliable machine. The originals had warping problems too. That game will need a real solid clear coat system to go the distance. Especially around the Drac Trac! Of course you could buy one and buy a pf from Micro and just throw it in there from the start. Or buy a pf protector and put it on right out of the box.

#3338 6 years ago
Quoted from whthrs166:

Don't blame you a bit for feeling like that. I believe this issue is whats driving people to just pick up a nice original or a different game. I am on the fence right now on purchasing another remake. I was planning on getting a MBr but with the playfield issues the originals had, I can't say I can count on CGC to remaster that game. That pf needs serious remastering (improvements) otherwise it will do the same thing the original did. Now the clear coat seems to be a problem. I restored a MB I know what needs to be done to that pf to have a reliable machine. The originals had warping problems too. That game will need a real solid clear coat system to go the distance. Especially around the Drac Trac! Of course you could buy one and buy a pf from Micro and just throw it in there from the start. Or buy a pf protector and put it on right out of the box.

I installed a full pp from band-new, and will keep it on. If the playfields do end up being a problem over the next year, I'll still have 6 months or more to ask CGC to give me a deal on the new playfield they potentially will have with a new clearcoat etc. I'll have my pristine 'original', which I will remove and replace with the new one. Worse case, my AFrLE have a full pocket protector, I mean playfield protector for life.

#3339 6 years ago
Quoted from whthrs166:

Don't blame you a bit for feeling like that. I believe this issue is whats driving people to just pick up a nice original or a different game. I am on the fence right now on purchasing another remake. I was planning on getting a MBr but with the playfield issues the originals had, I can't say I can count on CGC to remaster that game. That pf needs serious remastering (improvements) otherwise it will do the same thing the original did. Now the clear coat seems to be a problem. I restored a MB I know what needs to be done to that pf to have a reliable machine. The originals had warping problems too. That game will need a real solid clear coat system to go the distance. Especially around the Drac Trac! Of course you could buy one and buy a pf from Micro and just throw it in there from the start. Or buy a pf protector and put it on right out of the box.

Vote with your wallet. That is the best way to get your point across. I can see the remakes having all the same issues as the originals. The playfields and cabinets come out of the same factory as the originals did. We are looking forward to what ever remake CGC be bringing out.

#3340 6 years ago
Quoted from pinballaddicted:

The playfields and cabinets come out of the same factory as the originals did.

Only this isn't true. The chipping clear after relatively few games is not a problem the originals had. Aside from actual WEAR from thousands of games, the clear on the originals was very good and I never saw a chipped one after only a few hundred plays. Crappy chipping clear issues are unique to many newer pins and the new remakes.

#3341 6 years ago
Quoted from Mrawesome44:

So ive been following this thread for a good while and i was interested in picking any of the remakes up in may(fingers crossed). Frankly im a bit concerned about some of the issues people are having less than a year after they've dropped 7K+. I'm not trying to throw salt in no wounds but is anything being done about these issues?

So if you are concerned about chipping and don't want to use Clifffy's then don't buy it. 2 issues most had were the shooter lane issue and problem controlling coil default values along with blowing the board. Both issues have been addressed by CGC with directions on how to fix the shooter ramp and a new chip for the coil values/board blown issue. I had Cliffy's on my game from day 1. I have no chipping. CGC fixes worked and I have no more shooter lane issues and I set my default flipper strength is -5. My game has no planking, insert wear, cabinet issues or any other problems. I did have a chipped lock-down bar upon delivery which CGC took all of 6 days to get me a new one. I hope those with issues will have CGC be able to resolve them for you. I think CGC customer service is excellent. It's such an amazing game. The graphics are over the top and the light show blows you away. Good luck in deciding!

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#3342 6 years ago
Quoted from neverahighscore:

is anything being done about these issues?

Some have issues that have been resolved, some have no issues, some have issues that haven't been resolved. There are individuals that are posting that have no issues and there are individuals that are posting that have issues and there are individuals that have issues that are not posting! What is posted here is just a small sample of what is really happening.

#3343 6 years ago
Quoted from whthrs166:

Some have issues that have been resolved, some have no issues, some have issues that haven't been resolved. There are individuals that are posting that have no issues and there are individuals that are posting that have issues and there are individuals that have issues that are not posting! What is posted here is just a small sample of what is really happening.

Does anyone have a well used unprotected AFMr playfield with no chipping? It would be good to hear about success stories, so we know there are in-fact some examples of very durable and well clearcoated AFMr. We know to expect dimpling right?

#3344 6 years ago
Quoted from bitpatrol:

Does anyone have a well used unprotected AFMr playfield with no chipping? It would be good to hear about success stories, so we know there are in-fact some examples of very durable and well clearcoated AFMr. We know to expect dimpling right?

Not a single issue. Got mine early in August and have played it a lot. No edge chipping or any other issues.

#3345 6 years ago
Quoted from pintechev:

Not a single issue. Got mine early in August and have played it a lot. No edge chipping or any other issues.

what about under the mothership? Do you have cliffys there?

#3346 6 years ago
Quoted from bitpatrol:

what about under the mothership? Do you have cliffys there?

No cliffys anywhere.

#3347 6 years ago
Quoted from pintechev:

Not a single issue. Got mine early in August and have played it a lot. No edge chipping or any other issues.

What about if you weren't working for CGC/PPS/BAA?

#3348 6 years ago

I joined the club January 2018 with a SE from PinballSTAR (thanks Joe and Brian). Immediately noticed some (two) plastics with flaws, it looked like the paint was "cracking" under the plastics. I registered my AFMr SE and two days later had my PIC 2.0 and in 3 days had a new plastic set (the ones I needed plus a few extras).

Now that's customer service.

We're super happy with the purchase. It really adds to our collection. I am ordering shooter lane cliffys asap (Pinball Life because I also need a shaker motor for our Star Wars).

Lastly, I'll me at the Amusement Expo International and CGC is a exhibitor. I plan on commending them on their customer service. Will any other owners be there? (who are here on Pinside)

#3349 6 years ago
Quoted from cooked71:

What about if you weren't working for CGC/PPS/BAA?

I don’t. And if I did, I would disclose it.

I would love to work in the pinball industry; sounds like fun.

And if you’d like to inspect my games that I paid full retail for, please do.

Edit: I wrote the how to update firmware guides and gave it to CGC because they are a PC shop and have no idea about Mac and I’m pretty passionate about Apple and wanted to help fellow Mac folks who are into pinball. I wrote it as a Pinside post first and gave them a PDF for their own support since the work was already done.

I did it because I wanted to, not because someone asked me.

#3350 6 years ago
Quoted from pintechev:

I don’t. And if I did, I would disclose it.
I would love to work in the pinball industry; sounds like fun.
And if you’d like to inspect my games that I paid full retail for, please do.

Apologies if I mistakenly drew that conclusion, but it does come across like that. I've never heard of a single game from any supplier of any era that did not have a single issue.

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