Maybe if they were all original Bally Williams games but not with the games they're including.

Thanks for the link. We've been waiting to see how this new version turns out compared to the old version. We thought this could be a good addition to add the arcade controllers to for arcade games. Being pinball also is a bonus. It's bigger than the arcade1up so that's a plus because those look like junk for $750 retail.

This could be pretty cool depending on how it's executed. I'd expect it to be underwhelming though due to past experiences with the technology. There is just a history of having underpowered hardware in consumer grade equipment. It'd be fine for the neighborhood kids to come play a few games on but I guarantee it won't be a gratifying experience for anyone that enjoys regular pinball. I hope I'm wrong because I completely loved the pinball arcade on PS3 and steam and played the crap out of it. I've just owned the arcade 1 up Williams game and it was a laggy piece of poop. I expect the same here.

Im going to go for it, looks pretty cool.

It can't be that good for that kinda money. Trust me.

F--- This thing.

$15 a month to play any Williams game besides Addams.

From their website.

pasted_image (resized).png

This is why the ATgames are great in that they support OTG out of the box.

Just connect a PC to it and play any game you want off FX3, or VPX. You don't need to do any huge modifications or such like the 1up, they come already and software compatible to run games off your own collection

But also if they are using the same old model, you were allowed to buy the tables and keep em, the subscription service is just like a netflix of pinball where you get access to the whole library available as long as your subbed. But if you wanted just a particular table you could buy it.

It's lot better than the 1up crap that was being sold. The ATGames are so so quality but for the price make excellent entry level vpins cause they are easy to mod cheaply and they support OTG PC connections so you can out of the box run your own collection of games right away. If you don't want to spend a ton of a VPIN setup, these are pretty neat since they come ready to mod and included software supports it.

This makes for a good entry and good for those who aren't too savy on this stuff cause the cabinet alone can cost a pretty penny. The lag stuff is the main thing a person needs to adjust for and work on, a big part of that is your pc setup and how you connect it that will determine your lag.

Reviews on this will be interesting as there is a big ATgames community of modders, some go nuts on them with mods, so it will be interesting to see how the hardware is stock with these in comparison.

No. It's mostly your monitor/display that affects latency It's cheap but to your point it's entry level; but you get what you pay for lool

I'm not going to lie, the new 4KP version of the ALP is going to be the defacto virtual pin option on the market. It makes no sense to spend time and money building your own any longer. The 4KP model is pretty much everything most people need and now with the Zen partership you can buy the overwhelming majority of virtual pins that exists on Pinball FX today.

Also the form factor and measurements of the 4KP model are much larger than the last gen model. Also, 4KP includes 4K @ 60hz screen, larger back box, larger backbox screen, dedicated DMD, 3.5" speakers, upgraded SOC/CPU (way more powerful), physical solenoids etc.. Its a real good value and with the Zen partnership there really is NO need to upgrade or do mods or OTG mode unless you want to run VPX.

Any physical purist pinheads who are mildly interested in virtual pinball will probably pick this up.

You can buy tables ad hoc if you want from the Pinball FX library. You don't need to subscribe at all.

lol that's the whole reason of having one is to run all the VPX/W tables. Easy pass for me. Zen/Fx or okay but nowhere as good as the Vpinmame community. This VPin is a novelty it will be obsolete in less than a year.

I’m tempted….. i have been in the planning stages of building my own pin for too long….

This checks the boxes for most of the stuff I would want. SSF will be an option…. Has 3 screens. Zen will be on it and they make nice tables….(Star Wars on the quest is awesome…. Williams on iOS played great but so much crap with coins, etc.)

But I agree…. It will no doubt plummet it in value, if you buy it.
And I just don’t love that Addams artwork…. The whole point of something like this for me is it has to be easy…. No modding…. If I, going to do tons of modding… just go build my your own.

But if you don’t want to build one…. And you can spend this amount of $….. may be the best option.

There are some YouTube videos out there reviewing a prototype, it does not look too bad. Yes real pinball is better.

Fact Atgames will never have the power to smoothly run VPX & newer VPW & front end popper features. Mic drop!! So Sorry

uhh, just use the OTG PC plug in and use your own pc?

I'd be hesitant to support AtGames right now after some recent changes they made to the firmware on the Legends Ultimate arcade, preventing the ability for many to use 3rd party launchers like CoinOpsX to emulate games. Yet they still claim to be an open platform.

I did not know they shut down coin ops x. Ok, back to planning to build my own v pin.

For what you’re getting at the pre-order price I do see this selling initially. I used to have the original ALP and it was good for what it was. From what I am seeing if you do not want to hook a PC up you are at the whim of zen creating new ports for their games natively for this unit. I don’t think their entire library will be available on day 1, which has me slightly concerned. If that was the case I probably would pre-order as I play zen on my iPad almost everyone day. The other games (I think 140 or so) already available are hit or miss. I did enjoy a lot of the EM style machines on there. Keep in mind I’m sure shipping will be another $100-$150.

Seems to be hit or miss. I kept my firmware at 5.68 so new issues running coinops currently. Just a thought but atgames recently acquired a partnership with rare so I wonder if in order to go after bigger titles this could be the way they are heading. I think the jury is still out on that one.

When did they shut down coinopsx?

They didn’t. Some people have had problems after installing the latest firmware but others appear to have no issues. I just didn’t update the firmware on mine just to be safe.

They got me at unique builders plate!

Then you'll really love the multiple "CE" runs of 5000

After watching all of the wagners videos on this and seeing how much better it looks compared to the previous version we're going to take a chance on it at the preorder price tomorrow.

So... is this worth the value? Did not consider this for myself... I know if you build your own its a slippery slope as you could pour $$$$$ into it.

I like adding an expandable unit when I have limited space. Need to look at more reviews/insights.

prices (resized).png

I built a vertical VP w/ FX3/ZEN/VPX screen rotates & I can play over 5k of games ranging from mame to Teknoparot. Gun games, HOTAS & driving.

Cost: 1500 for PC, 800 for display, X-Arcade 200, & pedestal 300. Misc accessories plunger, accelerometer LEDS 100. Rough total of 3k but it plays great w/ no flipper lag or limitations with going forward to new updates. So honestly for twice the amount of money you could build a decent VP. Donor cabs are usually pretty easy to find and are fairly cheap couple of hundred.

I thought their latest firmware actually delisted CoinopsX? 5.71 or the like? (I'm also still on an earlier version, and not budging)

Yeah the ALP4K looks good... But I've got a modded A1Up. I probably won't spend the coin on this new model unless my A1Up dies altogether, but I imagine those who do take the plunge will enjoy.

Hello everyone,
I'm a little worried about getting into this new ALP4K product. but due to the experience I have had with Zen Pinball. Zen pinball has tremendous tables and many varieties as many know but not all are accessible depending on the console or provider. For example, some of the tables that they have in the Nintendo Wii's Zen Pinball are not in VR or on the computer, etc... what worries me is what will be the tables that the new ALP4K console from Zen Pinball will offer? ?. Could it be that they only have a few? Or will they bring all the ones they have in inventory? I understand that you will have to buy the packages again, but will they be packages that I would like to have? It is the detail and my wonder why after investing in a virtual machine about $1.3K in the end they never offer the themes that I would like to have directly on the machine, without needing to use OTG.

5.71 removes Add-On X which is necessary for CoinopsX. I was lucky and updated from 5.68 to 5.70 and my CoinOpsX still works. I've since disconnected the WiFi. Add-On X is supposed to be replaced with something called "General Loader". AtGames basically has said if 3rd party stuff breaks due to our updates it's not on us to fix it. I get that, but seems like they broke CoinOpsX on purpose with this update.

At the end of the part 5 video here it goes into more details and Q&A https://wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4kevt/

I saw those videos and watched them again, it mentions that games from the ZenPinball platform will be accessible for Atgame. but it doesn't say that all. It is the detail that I am sure there will be some good games but not all, I would like to see, for example, ZenPinball games like all the Classics Zen Tables. but nothing guarantees that you will be able to have them all.

Anyone know when the Preorder for this opens up today as they have a button for it, but it gives me an error when clicking on it?

Preorder opened at 9 Est. They also have 4k pin add on packs at 50% off preorder so we added a bunch of those as well.

The hard part is really we won't know till it's out, and the biggest thing will be how responsive the main 4k monitor is which really is a key part of helping reduce flipper lag. That alone will make this a great buy really if it's a big improvement over the old ALP. Cause really after that, if you got a decent pc already just hooking it up to it for basic otg is going to give you lot of great and easy vpin fun, and you can slowly upgrade things here or there if you want. If the monitor really is good enough, this will be a great vpin entry way for those not wanting to build their own or spend a ton of money making one.

Thanks I got the preorder completed now. I'll have to check out the packs as well.

Very true... and it sucks that MSRP is $1,500 with an incentive of $500 of pre-ordering now.
Seems like worth a shot... I might pull the trigger to see what happens.

Worst case... maybe reuse the cabinet for your own VPin?

I’m all for anything pinball. I think this might be a good and somewhat cheaper alternative if you go a vpx with a computer. Maybe? However, I watched this below and they make a lot of good points about some issues with potential issues.

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bvhz8EGV0zY?si=wiBpBt1eDyZ90kOG

This is a good honest review that I'm glad I watched. Around the 25 minute mark they go over the gripe of what AtGames is doing.

I'll pass on this. I agree its not cool how they are fabricating FOMO along with informing the community they will be releasing more cabinets in the near term.

If I read/research more AtGames is performoing crappy business model.

Thanks fuseholder.

The original was a pretty big letdown imo. I just let mine go recently. Constant battles with the OTG and the latency was just unforgivable in my honest opinion. While an improvement, this still has shortcomings in my opinion that are going to be tough to overlook. Pass.

Buddy has a custom build I need to check out. He swears up and down it will convert me and get me to give virtual pins a second chance. Think that's the route I'd go if I ever revisit.