I would be curious if someone took you up on this offer.

This is definitely close: https://pinside.com/pinball/market/ad/21750

The ring is the least of MY issues... even the incomplete rules (a norm for new Sterns )

Its ALL about the theme for me. It's just a horrific theme.... Im not making a judgement about folks that enjoy WWE, just like I dont judge people who enjoy the Kardashians or Honey Booboo....

I see the WWE trying to shake that image pretty hard. Here is a commercial I've seen on Hulu more than once.

I still think it is fun to play.

We had one on route it did very poorly and we sold it for a loss to someone that was happy to get it.

What ruined it for me was having the slammers constantly tied to the flippers when they did not need to be. The game shoots very cool and different and gettingthe huge bonus is fun. Assuming the code gets updated and then polished it could still be a solid game. There is so much that proper code coudl do for this game as far as immersion in theme and strategy for play.

The poor code is what has sunk this game, not the layout or upper ring. As others have said, there is no need to flip every time the ball is in the ring. You are wasting time on non-scoring shots. If you don't even know that then you dont know the game.

The theme sucks for me as well on the Pro. I don't follow current wrestling at all. I really do like the look of the LE with the classic wrestlers, but with either model, the theme needs much better integration in future code updates for sure.

I get what you are saying. We are lucky here in that it is 3 games for $2.00. Combine that with events where the game is on free play, high score free games, replays and matches and I haven't had to spend anywhere near $30.00 on it thankfully.

Nice to hear from someone who understands the rules somewhat. Thanks John.

Hopefully one day I'll get to spend some more time on it for free at someone's house or another pinball expo. I really want it to be a cool game, even just for the nostalgia.

If there's one within a few hours of NC, I'd drive out to play it. I mean, that's like $6-7 of the $11000 right there.

I saw one out on route at pizza del ray in eau claire and did the world a solid and turned it off.

Tag Team Multiball is a real bear of a bitch to get... my understanding is this:

You have to be outside of a match.
You have to have started Ref Knockout Multiball (shoot the purple shots a lot while outside of an active match...otherwise they just increase the jackpot value. LAME.)
You have to then hit the green chiclet-targets-of-death a few times.
You have to then hit the little left mini-loop, which is a really hard shot for most people, several times.

If at any point after starting Ref KO MB you drain, start over from the green targets on default settings. Oh yes, did I mention that shooting the mini loop from the flippers frequently results in the ball going to the drop targets and starting the next match?

I would take one LE just to display the artwork of the cabinet in the gameroom. Such a shame, I m an old wresling fan but this pin doesnt give the theme justice

To start Tag Team Multiball, you have to hit both green standups to light them solid and you have to not be in a match. Then you have to shoot the mini left orbit shot twice, then hit the ramp to start it. You don't have to have done Ref MB to start it. It gets worse when you try to start it again, you have to hit the stand ups, then 3 mini orbit shots. I believe the 3rd time through you have to hit the stand ups, then the mini orbit, then the stand ups again to relight, then the mini orbit again, etc. I have done it 3 times in one game before, but it was kind of a blur. It gets ridiculous fast because, like you said, you normally end up starting a match even if you aren't trying to, so you have to win the match and get out of it to start shooting for Tag Team MB again. It does remember your progress though between matches, so you don't have to start over.

For Referee MB, it does not remember your progress between matches which sucks. You basically have to try to avoid matches and focus on starting it cause if you start a match, you have to start all over.

Around $4500-$5000 I might be pretty tempted. It has some different shots and an interesting enough feel that is a decent sized collection I don't think I would hate it.

I feel bad for the people who put out big money for this title.

I would probably buy one for $3500 - but only because it may do OK on my route.

IJ4 ..... people are not a fan for that game at home (though I love mine), however many have said it earns well out in the wild

oh, and I would pay $4000 for a NIB LE if everything was rethemed to the classic characters (all artwork, DMD animations and sounds)

I'd pay $20 for a lottery ticket to win one. The theme does nothing for me (actually is a minus) but the boxing ring at the top of the playfield is kind of neat.

You shouldn't. People buying before trying are gambling their money. This has been known forever. Don't cry when it goes wrong. They certainly celebrate when they get lucky.

Why? They knew what they were buying. A new wrestling game featuring classic wrestlers & Hulk Hogan's signature. While most of us seem to hate this game, I would bet that most who bought it are enjoying it. Kinda like Rolling Stones, Avatar and others. Endlessly shit on, but there are people who own them and love them.

No one who bought a WWE LE is gonna put it up for sale for the prices people are quoting in this thread. It's just not gonna happen. I bet LE's can still easily sell in the $6k's, despite the reputation.

If I could resell it for the same amount I paid, I pay $500-ish just to learn it for tourneys. If I had to keep it forever, I'm not sure I would take one for free. Rather have the space for a fun game.

Of course I realize neither of those things will ever happen; it's just a thought exercise to determine what the game is actually worth to me.

Okay. So what's wrong with the game? I've played one quite a few times on location. I didn't find it that bad. I used to be into wrestling back when I was 8 or 9. So I don't know any of today's people. But other than theme, I took no issues with it.

I remember when spidey came out and everybody said it was a dud. then a few code updates and everybody went crazy. So it's always best to be patient and see how it is later down the road. No i don't own one and really have no interest in one, but if the price ever dropped to around 3k i am sure i would be tempted.

heck i like high roller casino and sharkeys shootout. i'm still waiting for my local 1500 sharkeys again - a nice one for that price - or a routed one for 1000 - 1200. Almost forgot i liked austin powers also.

i did trade for a hulk and i like the challenge of it - i think it's a cool tough game.

that being said i was playing acdc premium last night and wow what a great game - i bought it new - but i wish i had gotten one of the LE's.

The LE or the Pro?

In a nutshell, the game right now is very dependent on the upper playfield and ring, without much emphasis on the lower playfield or the shots down there and many people don't like how much time they spend in the ring. The rules are very odd and difficult to figure out to the point that some point awards for matches and showboating almost seem random. Most people are not even sure how or why certain things are done or happen. Currently the theme is not integrated very well. It's just the dots and the name of a wrestler without much unique fanfare, callouts or moves for the specific wrestlers. People also say that the bonus countdown takes too long and should be interrupt-able with both flippers.

For the LE, just add a bunch of LE specific features that are not utilized/integrated well yet...ie the arm bash toy, the mini LCD and the spinning disk in the ring, etc.

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Your memory is incorrect. Spidey was never a dud. It had some missing animation for a few modes, and it was frustrating getting an answer out of Stern regarding code updates. The layout, gameplay and rules were always solid. When the updates hit with more light shows, shaker FX, animation, and a few more rules tweeks - people rejoiced because it made a really good game great and polished. It was NEVER a dud, though.

They made likely less than 100 LEs , including mine. Needs help regarding the code, but it's still a great change in
a modest collection.

If that's the case, they still have tons of autographed plates laying around. The dude who's autograph rubbed off - he should contact Stern - he could probably get a replacement.

The LE. And yeah, I guess that close line arm is a bit weird. Why would I want to reject points by sending it into the play field without getting the return lane.

But I suppose the amount that I played it, I was still a button masher. Haven't learned the shots yet.

You dont have to hit the ball off of the wireform - you can hold the left flipper and have it roll off of the wham arm and directly to the right flipper.

The flipper angles and flipper gap on this game make ball control very very hard, so having a safe way to get the ball to the right flipper helps, especially when you're going for the tag scoop.

As it stands now the code is a big mess, not unlike Xmen. It'll get there.

The argument of play it more can be made for every pin. That isn't bad advice though. While I appreciate the attempt at positivity I don't and never will appreciate the pin. I played it enough to know I dislike the layout (both the upper and lower playfield). I had some solid games on it and still don't care for it. Code cannot change the layout. Sure they can keep the gate up top open more so left ramp becomes the left loop more but even that wouldn't be enough to save the design from itself. That said, we are all different so of course some will enjoy the pin and that is a good thing.

When I played the LE, I thought the looping Ramps was really fun but the code restricted from this happening too much and placed the ball in the lanes and ring instead. If those control gates were open more often it would make a big difference. The inner loop was fun too. But lack of knowledge of the rules plus the gameplay fun factor as well as theme really turned me off to this pin. The gameplay just didn't give me the desire to want to learn the rules, sadly.

What is the present value of the total money it will earn at a good location in 2 years?

That is how much as it would be worth to me.

Stern would have to pay me for that title....

probabaly about $100 per month IME.

Then you need to split with bar, account for maintainence, insurance, and your time.

I would say about $600 and you time is free

I would definitely buy a TF LE for $3000, but I wouldn't pay that for a WWE LE.

$7000, then subtract all costs of re-theming the pinball to something more palatable, hell just about anything. So, new playfield art, plastics, software (!). Probably leave me about with about $5 to spend, or a negative number.

Took me five seconds to find a TF LE between 3 and 4k.

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/ad/22007

I sold mine for 4k to 007 of 125 Dec version.

I'd say that Wrestle-Mania LE will probably bottom out in the TF LE range. The "saving grace" part of the price is the lack of production. I still haven't played one but if XMen LE hovers around 5k-5.5k and people generally like it okay, then Wrestle-Mania will likely end up below that. Threads like this are why I haven't bought a NIB pro. I figure someday one will pop up for a wicked low price, go for a low price at an auction or they may become an amazon deal of the day... or a groupon. TF Pro and LE were on groupon when they had a hard time selling...

No price....its not worth giving up any of my current titles to make space for it.

Well, I am either an Optimist or a fool.

I have heard very good things about the new code coming.
Pinball Browser, will be a big help with the video screen.

I thoroughly enjoyed the ring, and the game, having played about 35 games on a pro.

Now I was made fun of for collected such hated games as CSI, BBH, Safecracker, Banzai Run.....
I like the weird too, to play.

So I gambled and bought a WWLE at a price of a Pro.

Ill give it a shot....I may Love it, hate it, lose money on it...who knows.

But as other threads have shown, until the code is done, and people log more time on it,
it is easier to not like, or jump on the bandwagon of negativity.

Even the worst games, theoretically, over the last 35 years, find homes and fans...Its pinball.

As time goes on, Ill find myself foolish, or enjoying a NIB LE, at a great price!

Price of a pro?? Do tell

Posted FS on Pinside.....just made an offer.

I thing it may have been overlooked with the direction of this thread, maybe?

I am a huge wwe fan and I personally love this game. I didn't mine paying what was asked for the game brand new. To each is own !!

OK, I finally got to play a WWE LE. And I can finally answer this question.

$999

As far as I'm concerned, anything under $1000 is a throw away game. It's a game you just play for fun, and any dings or scratches don't matter in the least. They are just players. I currently have 4 games in my house that fit into this category. And I love playing every one of them. After playing WWELE, I could see it fitting into that group.

I really hope this isn't a continuing trend for Stern. I can't quite put my finger on it. It felt like a sheet of plywood with some plastic stuff screwed onto it. It made Tron feel lavish (yes, Tron is one of my favorite games and I own it, so I'm allowed to say that).

They changed something. I'm not sure if it is the angle of view, or the depth the playfield sits under the glass, but it just feels cheap. And so my price is as well. No, I'll never see one that low, and if I did I'd probably value the space more than that game.