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Art inspired from other works

By AlexF

10 years ago


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    #1 10 years ago

    One of my favorite things about Em pinball is all the great artwork. Back then many companies were producing a game or more a month. There had to be a fair amount of pressure for some of the artists to keep cranking out something original.
    George Molentin is one of my all time favorites but he must have been under the gun on the backglass for Williams 1957 Arrowhead. Compare it to George Petty's calendar page from 1955. Petty was a prolific pin-up and advertising artist in the 1920s to 1950s. Maybe they knew each other and collaborated on it? I just thought it was interesting and maybe you have seen something similar.
    Alex

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    #2 10 years ago

    Here is George Petty's Old Gold ad with a similar design.
    Alex

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    #3 10 years ago

    It would be nice to have the game and calendar framed next to it.

    #4 10 years ago

    Love the art, looks a bit like rockwell's.

    #5 10 years ago

    Here's another one. This one may be a stretch but I always thought the lady on this Genesee Beer sign looked a an awful lot like the cowgirl on Double Barrel. The beer sign would have been around the same era I believe. Another Molentin work inspired by an attractive lady?

    Alex

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    #6 10 years ago

    way cool topic alex...

    #7 10 years ago

    Those advertising artists were incredibly bad ass and I love looking at their work. It must have been a really great time to be an illustrator back then, especially if you could do pin ups.

    Thanks for sharing!

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    #8 10 years ago

    Interesting comparison between the calendar page and Arrow Head backglass. I have the machine but was unaware of the calendar pinup so I learned something new today. Always a plus! Thanks, Alex

    #9 10 years ago

    Lucky man. Did you get the new backglass from Shay? I had half considered ordering one for a wall hanger. I'd love to find the machine someday.

    #10 10 years ago
    Quoted from AlexF:

    I'd love to find the machine someday.

    Not if I get there first.

    #11 10 years ago

    Not so sexy, but how about the Williams Space Mission backglass being inspired by a famous oil painting of the Apollo/Soyuz linkup

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    #12 10 years ago

    No pressure, just copy some past artwork and publish it for another hobby. Works for stern )

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    #13 10 years ago

    Alex,

    I did get a Shay backglass for it which will be a huge improvement since the ink is probably 50-60% gone on the original. The machine is currently in storage and in need of a thorough shopping which I hope to get done this summer. I'll try to remember to post a few photos here when its finished.

    #14 10 years ago

    Then there are instances where a game artist was "inspired" by their peers. Somebody at Playmatic clearly admired the style in which Gordon Morison drew gestures and poses.

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    Gottlieb Jumping Jack (1973) and Playmatic Harem (1974)

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    Gottlieb Atlantis (1975) and Playmatic Fairy (1975)

    #15 10 years ago
    Quoted from fflint_18:

    Not so sexy, but how about the Williams Space Mission backglass being inspired by a famous oil painting of the Apollo/Soyuz linkup

    I beg to disagree, that is hella sexy.

    #16 10 years ago
    Quoted from JDubbbs:

    No pressure, just copy some past artwork and publish it for another hobby. Works for stern )

    At least that was a redraw though, and not a literal copy and paste.

    #17 10 years ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    I beg to disagree, that is hella sexy.

    One of the best Williams themes and the artwork is fantastic.

    #18 10 years ago

    Blackout is a clear swipe from Jim Steranko's cover to Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD from 1968

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    #19 10 years ago

    The commercial art world of up until the 1980s is pretty interesting. There was a definite hierarchy and status according to the work an artist did, with backglass artists probably falling somewhere below comic book artists. Both of these fell below pulp illustrator, paperback illustrator, newpaper ad artists, ad agency designers, and book and magazine illustrators (in roughly that order). Comic strip artists were an exception up until the 1970's and made more money than just about any of their peers and were even personalities if their creations did well.

    Swiping was endemic, and most artists kept massive files of compositions they liked or thought would be useful. In some instances entire works of art, comics, etc, can be found to be derived from stock images an artist has compiled. I have to believe that for most backglass artists, pinball work was probably a VERY small part of their work, and the most efficient way to pump out the job would be to refer to other works.

    Then again, in every field, there are artists who just love what they do, excel at it, and their work reeks of originality and fun. It would be great to see how much pinball art is from swipes, though.

    #20 10 years ago

    Viza's War head to head vs. Frank Frazetta's Berserker

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    #21 10 years ago

    This topic is great!

    #22 10 years ago
    Quoted from albummydavis:

    The commercial art world of up until the 1980s is pretty interesting. There was a definite hierarchy and status according to the work an artist did, with backglass artists probably falling somewhere below comic book artists. Both of these fell below pulp illustrator, paperback illustrator, newpaper ad artists, ad agency designers, and book and magazine illustrators (in roughly that order). Comic strip artists were an exception up until the 1970's and made more money than just about any of their peers and were even personalities if their creations did well.
    Swiping was endemic, and most artists kept massive files of compositions they liked or thought would be useful. In some instances entire works of art, comics, etc, can be found to be derived from stock images an artist has compiled. I have to believe that for most backglass artists, pinball work was probably a VERY small part of their work, and the most efficient way to pump out the job would be to refer to other works.
    Then again, in every field, there are artists who just love what they do, excel at it, and their work reeks of originality and fun. It would be great to see how much pinball art is from swipes, though.

    Good stuff. I just want to add that it isn't necessarily a horrible thing either in some cases. There's a line between referencing and plagiarism which can be really blurry. Everyone wants to be original, but it's also very difficult to create any piece of art that is 100% original with absolutely no influence from any other artist. Everyone still references each other/photos today, it's just that we have Google images instead of piles of catalogs/magazines/advertisements to find inspiration from.

    #23 10 years ago

    Totally agree. "Swiping" in the comic world was clearly an art form, although many (including Bob Kane, the "creator" of Batman) clearly crossed the line. I'm very much on the fence on everything mentioned here. The Arrowhead (for gawd's sake, even the shape of her toes are identical), Blackout, and Space Mission all cross the line, in my opinion. Space Mission I give a bye to, because I believe NASA commissioned the art and, frankly, it verges on public property.

    Speaking of Frazetta--I've always been quite certain that's Frazetta's Buck Rogers on Embryon. Given the images handy, I say it's an updated homage. Uniform is the same color combo (blue sleeves, red vest), same cap, same goggles, etc. I always wondered if I spent the time looking, would I find the exact pose (it's very Frazetta-like).

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    #24 10 years ago

    You guys are coming up with some great stuff.

    #25 10 years ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    I beg to disagree, that is hella sexy.

    You and I are of the same era then.

    I grew up with Apollo and it's my thing.

    I'll never sell my Space Mission.

    Sucks the US has to pay the Russians to shoot us into space on a rocket and in a capsule designed in the 60's.

    #26 10 years ago
    Quoted from fflint_18:

    You and I are of the same era then.
    I grew up with Apollo and it's my thing.
    I'll never sell my Space Mission.
    Sucks the US has to pay the Russians to shoot us into space on a rocket and in a capsule designed in the 60's.

    I was born in 77, I grew up with Star Wars, not Apollo. But I know sexy when I see it!

    #27 10 years ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    I was born in 77, I grew up with Star Wars, not Apollo. But I know sexy when I see it!

    Just a kid

    I was 5 years old watching Armstrong walk on the moon on our new 19 inch color tv.
    but the landing was in black and white.

    I'll never forget it.

    #28 10 years ago
    Quoted from fflint_18:

    I was 5 years old watching Armstrong walk on the moon on our new 19 inch color tv.

    Nobody will ever forget where they were that night.

    #29 10 years ago

    Awesome post keep em coming. This is almost as cool as the chicks playing pinball thread that was out a ways back!!!

    #30 10 years ago
    Quoted from albummydavis:

    Speaking of Frazetta--I've always been quite certain that's Frazetta's Buck Rogers on Embryon. Given the images handy, I say it's an updated homage. Uniform is the same color combo (blue sleeves, red vest), same cap, same goggles, etc. I always wondered if I spent the time looking, would I find the exact pose (it's very Frazetta-like).

    Another Frazetta fan! Although, who isn't?

    It does look like one of Frazetta's less dynamic poses. The kind he would utilize in a painting where the hero is standing relaxed, while females are swooning at him, laying on the ground.

    #31 10 years ago

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    #32 10 years ago

    Speaking of H.R. Giger....

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    Later,
    EV

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    #33 10 years ago

    Ok here's another. This one is another that may be a long shot as the art isn't that similar but the theme is. After seeing a link to Keeney Carousel in another thread it instantly reminded me of Gil Elvgren's Coca Cola ad. His style isn't really that much like Roy Parker's but how often do you see a cute blonde ride a carousel horse side saddle? Not enough I say. Anyway, it looks like Roy could have been the one to plant the idea this time as the Pinball is from 1947 and the Coke ad is from 1948.

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    #34 10 years ago

    Paul Faris (Paragon, Lost World, etc) admitted he was inspired by Frank Frazetta. In the Lost World backglass, compare the horse to Frank's work.

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    #35 10 years ago

    Favorite subject of mine too! Things were a little more loosey goosey. Main artist Boris Vallejo and CAZA who came up with some iconic stuff in the 70's. I like to think that underpaid artist that had to deliver just appreciated these guys. But I wonder if they ever tried to reach out to their mentors. I know that the "real" artist's career's lasted much longer.
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    #36 10 years ago

    A '71 Williams Stardust was the "inspiration" for this '74 Satomi Arrangeball machine.

    #37 10 years ago

    And here's the pics:image-516.jpgimage-516.jpgimage-337.jpgimage-337.jpg

    #38 10 years ago

    I do not have any photos handy to scan (or swipe off the internet),
    but if you look at WMS Firepower, it is obvious that C.Mitchell
    did some swiping from Marvel's Jack Kirby,
    especially on some of the PF plastics (figures).
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    Sorry unable to find any specific Kirby work to reference at the moment,
    but if you are familiar with his work it should be obvious
    where the Firepower inspiration came from.
    maybe google it or see this link
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jack+kirby+artwork+poses&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=LqsXU82vGYP9ygOA7YCwDQ&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=1920&bih=1009

    #39 10 years ago

    Very interesting thread thanks AlexF

    #40 10 years ago

    Agree, good thread Alex.......

    #41 10 years ago

    Alex : yes very good post
    actually this thread should probably get re-posted over at the "ALL" forum,
    since the art swiping/inspiration covers both the E/Ms and solid state games.

    #42 10 years ago

    Thanks guys, I've found it to be a lot of fun too. It took a little while for the thread to get some momentum but there have been some great art comparisons posted. Many of them I was completely unaware of. I'm not as well versed in the SS art era but all of the stuff posted has been very interesting.

    #43 10 years ago
    Quoted from AlexF:

    This one may be a stretch but I always thought the lady on this Genesee Beer sign looked a an awful lot like the cowgirl on Double Barrel.

    I think you are right about this swipe/inspiration for Double Barrel.
    I also would bet good money that George M. was also looking at some 40-50'S pin-up cheesecake artwork or men's rag, when coming up with the models for the two cuties on the PlayField
    for WMS Oh Boy, as well as the two gals in the forefront on that game's BackGlass, especially the gal on the right corner, looks like a swipe/trace from a photo.

    #44 10 years ago

    I agree, I would love to be able to see his office stash of reference material. Probably some great stuff.

    #45 10 years ago

    oh boy
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    The gals posing on the PF look natural
    but the gals pictured on the BG look awkward in their poses?!?!
    hard to believe they were drawn by the same artist.

    #46 10 years ago
    Quoted from AlexF:

    Ok here's another.

    Play refreshed, my friend.
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    #47 10 years ago

    Cosmic Gunfight was released in 1982. The TV show Galaxy Rangers was produced in 1986. Would it be fair to say that this is one of those rare instances when the pinball theme inspired a TV show or movie?

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    #49 10 years ago

    ^^^^^^That's just plain old theft

    #50 10 years ago

    Yeah, but at least you can't see his "red rocket" on the pinball version.

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