Thanks for posting such a well written, concise opinion. I am confident that code will improve as production nears.

One thing code and mechanics can not improve is the lack of the licensed assets.

I have a deposit down on the CE. For me to spent this much on a game, I really want to see more "Pirates of the Caribbean". I have no problem waiting till summer to see if Jack can get more "Jack" in the game.

There are so many great NIB options coming down the pike and I can't buy them all. So for close to 13K I will be very picky on which game to purchase this year.

I purchased WOZ/LE and Hobbit/SE without playing them. I will not be doing that with JJPoTC, these times are a changin'

Exactly.

Sorry I don't understand your post? You say you will not buy early again yet you say you have a deposit on the most expensive CE model? Seems like you made your choice early?

I said that I will not purchase Pirates until I play it first. I purchased WOZ/LE and Hobbit/SE with out playing them first. I really love those games appreciating the passion and risk that went into producing them. I paid in full at announcement, wanting to support Jack to help get a new pinball company off the ground. JJP is doing well but the price has doubled since WOZ was announced. I put a refundable deposit down on JJPoTC CE. At this price I want to play the game before committing to almost 13K.

JJPoTC CE probably won't ship till summer at the earliest so lots of time to evaluate other options before the balance is due on Pirates. If something else looks better it is easy to make the move or if Pirates does not hit all right "notes". ☠️(hint to get more original music into this game)☠️

Makes sense and a fair business decision. I will bet however if you are holding off unless they find a new found license for music etc you waiting for no reason and should buy something else. It would make No sense for them to release a game, promote it, sell it, establish final pricing, THEN go back and see if they can pay $$$$$$ for additional assets. I am in on a CE myself and as a Pinball machine it will Certainly be one of the best for at least this year and set the bar pretty high for others to follow. I will drop in a Blue Ray or CD if I want to watch or hear actors, I am in it to play pinball and they hit That out of the park!

Since there are only 200 CE's no problem putting down a small deposit to hold a spot on a game that may sell out. I liked the art package better on the CE vs the LE. Jack had a lot of surprises with WOZ and Hobbit as production neared. Possibly based on feed back here and elsewhere he may opt to surprise us again. It is still quite a ways till production games roll off the line.

You say they hit it out of the park, sounds like you have played the game. I have not had that opportunity yet. Hoping that they do hit it out of the park with includes licensed assets for me. No doubt it will be a nice game but at 13K it has to be an awesome game!

Yes. Played it several dozen times at Expo this year and now that that put a test machine at 257 near me it’s easier to calm my impatience. Lol. I can understand why many choose to judge this game and it’s assumed shortcomings but my guess is Most with complaints have not played it. In person the machine is truly a work of art. The CE to me was what I would describe as close to perfect (excluding the Lack of matching coin door umphh). Appearance aside the play,fit,feel, and incredible animations made this rather expensive decision worth it to me. Even brought my wife in to play it to see if I was insane and within 2 games she agreed we Need to get this! Trust me, she Rarely says that about any pinball ever! Yes they will be creating there own script and sounds for this machine but for me I appreciate that incredible effort. Plus (my opinion!!) I feel simply clipping and pasting DVD and sound clips to a software piece is Less then creative personally. JJP Writing their Own code and creating your own content is Way more impressive to me. I have a DVD available should I need to ogle Johnny Deep. Lol. Not!

Maybe Matt with Back Alley creations can whip something up for you.

LTG : )

Trust me, he Will be getting a call! Lol. How with all that art from top to bottom they opted to skimp on the coin door on CE is beyond me? Now THAT last minute improvement from JJP would be a justified and very welcome surprise! At Least for CE #17 please lolol

With everybody watching the topper, why bother with the coin door ? And they need it fully functioning. Coin chutes and bill validator holes. Hard to decorate around them and work for every owner.

Anybody really wanting barnacles on the coin door can get it done.

LTG : )

That's very encouraging to hear from someone who has skin in the game. Jealous that you can get your Pirates fix and follow code progress at 257 right in your backyard.

Also exciting to hear that your wife was all in after two games. Our CE game numbers are only two off☠️☠️

Agree that the coin door would be a great CE surprise!! Hint hint Jack!

Yeah, not having Johnny's mug in the middle of the playfield was reason enough to get the CE

Yelobird I will check in with you via PM as they get closer to rolling games to get your opinion on how the game is playing.

Thanks,

LTG, maybe I presented my plea incorrectly. I have no interest in barnacling the coin door as I too agree that would be a personal taste. My point was the CE uses a Special powder coat color on the legs, rails, arms, etc to set it apart yet they left the stock black coin door? Pretty sure Many have made this same plea as well. Not a bitch just a huh kind of view. Seeing as Matt is doing All of the Other pieces one would assume letting him complete his/their masterpiece would be in order. Plus I will call You every day for service to complain about it! Lol

We have an awesome interview with Eric from JJP about POTC on Monday on Head2Head podcast.

His journey into design.
Designing the game.
Whats changed since expo.
We talk about current software and upcoming software in depth.
It's over an hour long so lots of new info in there!

I will checking that out!!!!!

No worries I just sent my Dialed In CE coin door to him and pre warned him to be ready for my Pirates CE in the future!

subscribed. looking forward to it.

No, appreciate your thoughts.

Rails get the barnacles.

LTG : )

I am wondering if i should add this to my collection or wait till its in the house and set up? I am afraid that I might have some bad juju or something if I add it to it now. What is all of y'alls thought's?

Ah the eternal question! Personally I don't add it till I own it.

Exhibit A...the 10 people that own a Predator

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I thought 1 or 2 actually existed in MI.

Is there a list of places where this machine is available to play? Id like to test drive before throwing down the $$$

Just one on location in Chicago right now.

A show is the best bet right now. TPF is coming up.

Once the test games go out, I'm sure their locations will be posted.

LTG : )

Oh well. Thanks for the info. Guess I'll have to wait for pinfest.

So completely hypothetically speaking; after listening to the head2head interview with Eric (which was amazing btw) - it’s my thought that a lot of R&D, labor hours, programming, and $ are invested in the spinning disk toy. So for you guys that wish there were more licensed assets like the sound track and/or movie clips here’s a nice little would you rather:

Would you rather have that money spent on the licensed theme music and some of the movie clips with no spinning disk toy - instead just regular pf artwork in that spot. Or.....would you rather keep the spinning disk toy in all its glory with 200+ rewarding gameplay features and ball interaction and no additional license assets?

Me? I’d rather have the latter (keep the disk). In the end, gameplay rules and how the theme is integrated are all that matter to me. I believe they can (and will) integrate the theme very well without all these license assets a lot of people are complaining about.

And Eric, if you’re reading - house Martell sucks, it’s a grind and is even a little more riskier when lighting essential HOTK houses; house Tyrell and I’d even argue Baratheon is where it’s at of course, Greyjoy is always challenging and can be used for a nice 15+ bil game but that house is big risk/ big reward! Can’t wait to play JJPOTC, it’s on my radar and looks stellar - would love to get one, I just hope I can find room in my pocketbook

The CE model was 75% sold out at Expo 2017. The rest in distributor hands now.

I would choose the assets in this case as the game would still have a lot of features. Licensed audio and voice assets are vital in bringing a licensed theme to life.

I’d rather not have the spinning disk since the original potc has a spinning disk too.

There are other ways of incorporating 200+ features without the disk. I’m thinking that when the disk fails or part of it fails could be $$$$.

I would have liked to have seen a lower playfield called Davey Jones locker or something more related to the movies.

Just one persons opinion though!

Game is awesome, my wife and I saw Eric at Level 257 yesterday, Schaumburg ,IL. I wanted her so see the game. Eric was the perfect host, checking game for adjustments, let us play several games free, explained the rules which there are too many to keep track of, and showed us a tutorial where he hit either 4 or 5 of the multiballs and had Tortuga lit before the ball drained. This game is definitely on my radar and my wife is totally on board.

He explained the spinning disk as well.

Eric said this is the only location the game is at we are very fortunate here. I been there 3 days this week to play with no lines.

I skipped on Star Wars and will get POTCLE.
If I want to watch movie clips I'll watch the movie. empty games like star wars and Batman do nothing for me. If I want to play pinball I want a badass pinball machine.

Dialed In cleaned up the Twippies for a reason.

It's not always about the money ... pinball real estate is a key factor for myself the home user and as much as this pin looks great, I will not use up an available spot for a 25% license and just like that, I WILL PASS! The poll says it all on this thread and hopefully manufactures read and learn that big cash is being left on the table when you stop short.

Actually, what the goofy poll on this thread proves is the OP also has a personal issue with the license as it is the core of EVERY selection! lol Played JJP POTC this week and headed up to play it again tomorrow afternoon at the 257. Can't describe how great this machine is and how well it plays, Even without a the Disney ride music! I hum Its a Small World to take my mind off it.

Well I'm glad you are enjoying the machine and that's the way it should be, you can spin it the way you'd like, call it " Disney ride music" but facts are facts, which btw ever wonder why Disney's Tron legacy is so awesome? ... game play and a FULL LICENSE.

Would you rather have that money spent on the licensed theme music and some of the movie clips with no spinning disk toy - instead just regular pf artwork in that spot. Or.....would you rather keep the spinning disk toy in all its glory with 200+ rewarding gameplay features and ball interaction and no additional license assets?
Me? I’d rather have the latter (keep the disk). In the end, gameplay rules and how the theme is integrated are all that matter to me. I believe they can (and will) integrate the theme very well without all these license assets a lot of people are complaining about.

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For me I hate to look at it as an either/or, I would like both and if that requires an addition cost for the game I would be willing to pay that. To go in 13k for CE is a lot but for an additional few hundred to have a full license would be money well spent, IMO. On JJP's last licensed game (Hobbit) they set the bar really high for licensed assets. I was hoping that their next licensed game would meet or exceed the theme integration (licensed assets) of Hobbit.

The game is not done so maybe we'll be surprised.

You couldn't do it for that, though. You'd probably double the price of the game.

LTG : )

Meh. Different strokes. Tron is *okay* and even with the "FULL LICENSE" it still couldn't get to "slam dunk." Based on the video and integration production values shown already that are leagues ahead of literally EVERY OTHER PIN MANUFACTURER currently, jjPotC will be fine.

great manufacture with a 25% license JJP has just removed the collector buyer (like me) as a client on this run, no big deal but that poll sure shows otherwise man.

Yes, JJP has eliminated one OCD collector Canuck hung up on a single aspect, but there are PLENTY of other "collector buyers" out there that are interested in this machine. You are clearly not the market for this machine (just like I think your "FULL LICENSE" awesomest pin license example, Tron, is a snore). It happens. Find another machine to like, there are plenty. Every pin is not for everyone. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean no one likes it. The end.

I would've selected a different license.

And not use one of the three they had to buy ?

Eric and JJP have made an amazing game. Rule set and game play will win the day.

LTG : )

I guess I'm one of those that think theme is important and all but when spending this kind of cash on entertainment/toy for my basement, entertainment =damn fun game to play and theme finishing last..fun is what I'm paying for not the name...to each their own...I'm in all the way just from what I've seen in the videos of initial game play.

Hey man back off with the personal insults and I never said I didn't like the pin! my comments are strictly on License so chill and stop spinning like a left winger! Now it's The end.

Post removed as I realized I couldn't care less. Enjoy ur game.

You can't leave it like that! You just contradicted yourself and confusified me! You initially said they removed the collector buyer (like you) with the way they're integrating the license. I made the mistake of assuming that removed the buyer "(like me)" means you're not buying the pin as you don't like what JJP is doing with the PotC license. Are you now saying you're actually just complaining and are still interested in buying it because you just said now that you like the pin after all?

I just got to watch some of the test stream on jjplive. Watching and hearing this game be played by people who know the rules, looks amazing! And for those concerned about the music license, no worries - David Thiel nailed it...sounds intense, energetic, and not as repetitious as the theme music - in fact the main pin theme music sounds like the main movie music taken to another level. If I had to criticize anything, it would be that another supporting sound character next to Gibbs would help.

Otherwise, this thing looks great - can’t wait for Wednesday’s stream; and so glad JJP is going to have one or two of these in CA next month for arcade expo - look forward to playing after watching the tutorial. Well done and keep up the hard work JJP.

That's great to hear, looking forward to the stream!

I hear ya about the game needing another supporting sound character next to Gibbs. Honestly, that's one of my main hold ups about the game right now. Kevin McNally as Gibbs is great to have in the game but for that to be the only voice ever heard in a game that covers 5 movies and costs nearly $10k is a bit of a bummer. JJP should get another voice actor in the game, ideally a Jack Sparrow sound-a-like (like Stern did), to add some humor elements to the game and play off Gibbs like the movies do.

I hope they will have these at tpf!

Correct.......CE for me. Zero hesitation. Don't forget an absolute gorgeous machine doesn't hurt either.....

If Stern did this everyone would be calling for Gary's head. JJP does it and it's a "huh kind of view"......

I've probably watched 3 hours of streaming between the buffalo crew and ragetilt on this game. I saw more of this pin in 5-10 mins that Eric played in the test stream than I ever did in any of those 3 hours. We will be in for a treat for sure on Wednesday. I'm not going to spoil any of the cool stuff I enjoyed, but I will leave by saying 'Arrrrrrrr'.