Depends. If you bought an ECLE at $6500 - $7500 years ago and new games are close to $10k then I think you are in pretty good shape. Even with 7.5v boards (vast majority have never had an issue) I would put current average HUO stock ECLE prices between $7k - $8k. Toss a 2.0 board kit in those games and I would put the price around $8500. At the end of the day I think the ECLE will be the only true limited edition version of WOZ as it has the direct printed cabinet, green armor throughout, and the clear coated wood apron with plaque.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the new Yellow Brick Road WOZ is slightly stripped down, on a new platform, and that the type of platform design will carry over to Willy Wonka. This is just a guess and I'm basing it off of Pirates production rumored to be ending for good, past rumors of a stripped down WOZ, and just guessing that JJP wants to take more ownership from Stern with a lower price point.

Could also be some crazy expensive edition along the lines of Dialed In CE and Pirates CE...I don't see a lot of buyers though for a super expensive WOZ due to how long the game has already been out. A lower priced version of the game makes more sense to target a new audience.

Not on JJP's Facebook. That is a picture of an ECLE.

Yeah, ECLE back glasses have 1 of at least 3 different phrases on them.

Wow...Any word about what extra features are in the game and if new code is coming out for all models?

POTC CE and LE are sold out to distributors and those that have them are down to their last ones, many don't have any left.

Pirates of the Caribbean seems like a classic if not timeless theme at this point. Maybe not the movies, even though nearly everyone has seen at least the first one, but pretty much everyone and their neighbor knows about the Disney World ride that has been around for over 50 years.

Just to note, total budget for all 5 films was $1.27 billion and the total box office take was $4.56 billion.

Rather have more toys and features as the game is today then video clips, otherwise it may have looked as bare as Star Wars.

This is such an old and played out argument. Don't blame JJP for Stern no longer offering full featued games for $4k...blame Stern and their customers (us!). Oh, a little blame can go to inflation too.

Stern saw what JJP was charging and decided to jack up their prices all while stripping out features and lowering quality. It's kinda like Ford deciding to charge $50k for a Focus just because a competitor is charging $50k for a product that actually justifies the price tag.

That's already allocated for the "Black Pearl" Pirates coming out next year lol. I love JJP pins but can't help make fun of their near constant re-releases. It sucks as a collector because it does end of making their LE's feel less limited when there's always another edition around the corner. It needs to stop. After LE's are sold out make standards and that's it, stop taking the collectability factor away from LE owners and making LE's in such ridiculous high numbers. Hell, 99% of Hobbits sold are some sort of a LE, or SE edition.

I keep hearing that Pirates is done for good. I bought one and I'm pumped to get it but...I wouldn't put it pass JJP to announce some new edition a year from now. I'll probably be thinking that years to come even if this month marks the end of Pirates.

Tin Man WOZ SE - 2020
Pirates Black Pearl - 2021
Quantum City Dialed In! - 2022
WOZ 100 Year Commemorative Ultimate Edition (only 100 made) - 2039

Hobbit is light years better then WWE and is a great pin. The code work done on the game is some of the best in pinball, hell it easily has the deepest and most varied progressive based ruleset out there. Tons to do in the game and its loaded up with a lot of cool toys / features.

Ted Estes, Keith Johnson and the entire team really came through over the past year and turned the game around with several huge game changing code updates.

All will likely be revealed tonight as this evening at 8pm EST is JJP's TPF seminar.

Live stream will be available here

https://m.twitch.tv/texas_pinball_seminar/profile

If there isn't a monkey mech there may not be a ball lock on the upper left mini playfield either, just virtual locks.

They are trying to make a crap ton of profit on 200 WOZs before moving onto games 5 and 6. That's my guess. If they are selling YBR for $11,500 no wonder they are ending Pirates production when that game has more in it and costs $9500 for an LE.

At this point I don't trust anything I read about WOZ and a version being limited lol. I can see JJP making WOZ YBR the only edition being made moving forward.