The only ape we reconize around these parts.
Quoted from o-din:
I gotta wonder why this place even needs something like that.
There are plenty of people on here who's dreams make no sense, yet nobody ever demands proof from them.
Because everyone on this site doesn't get the cross over appeal in the collab so, because to most people clothes are arbitrary and purely functional so spending say $30 on a shirt is insane to them let alone $250 plus. It's crazy to most that shocker someone wants this
Quoted from NikkyBoy:
Wow, 4 box logo tees! supreme should give you a machine for keeping the culture alive all by yourself.
No ones giving a machine away for free in a raffle, if you're planning on reselling (which this very much seems like, considering you thought this was a new bally machine) this clearly isn't the right business for you, if you don't have the money up front. Let the professional flippers (who don't have to finance purchases fyi) take this one and stick to getting the occasional tee/hoodie.
This also won't release on Stern's website with certainty as they don't have the web infrastructure to cope with 1000s of requests.
If you still wanted to buy this, your only option would be to get a loan in advance, which would be extremely idiotic, considering that you'd have to pay back interest/costs if (when) you didn't get the machine.
Don't forget, how tastes change. Supreme (resell) prices are not a high as they were about a year ago, and considering how they are opening more stores, prices will continue to fall.
People paying 1000s for nike dunks and bape 10 years ago, would now have things worth about 20% what they paid; they probably thought the same then (that they're making a good investment that will appreciate) as you are now.
Damn you really don't listen to shit son?
I'm tired of repeating myself to you and only you, because everyone else seems to understand as to why I want this.
So I'm gonna break it down to you.
I'm not trying to get this to flip for a quick buck. I want this because I know it's only going to get more expensive in the supreme market, with supreme collectors as time goes on. So whatever price I pay now, will be a drop in the hat for what I'd have to pay for something like this years down the line. I could pay for this within a year or two with how much I make a year. The more I wait the more I'll pay, I don't ever see something like this being sold for under retail. It's so limited and expensive those who have it will charge more than premium see the person who was offering to be a 40k proxie for it.
This is this largest most expensive thing Supreme has ever produced, and it's initial high retail buy in price will make this a collectors item, that will only go up in value. But just becuase I see the value doesn't mean I want to sell it. This is how I know you're talking out your ass, and you have no idea what you're talking about. Because Supreme is more expensive than ever resale, yes smaller items are being sold for under retail but that's how it's always been, there has never been an initial flip on most of those unless the branding is loud or it's a more sought after item. Things like North faces, box logo tees and hoodies, and photo tees have always been the big ticket items, and are now being sold for double and triple, the same day they come out with is unheard of until the past year or two and have been steadily holding their value if not increasing. North Face Jackets from 2 years ago now go for one 1-2k When I bought my north face jacket in 2016, I paid 700 for it new, and at that point in time the jacket I bought was 4 years old.
Yes the bubble will pop but high ticket Items will always remain high ticket and only get higher due to their initial buy in. For example The Louie V collab duffle retailed for 1k or 2k, It now resales for 8-10k new or used it hasn't even been out for a year. The Rimowa Collab which came out 2 weeks ago retailed for 1k it now is selling for 2-3k.
This is how I know you have no idea what you're talking about, becuase with stuff like this they only get more expensive as time goes on especially limited release or collab items. Yes there are bape from 10 years that is worth nothing but as that stuff hits archive status it will, while people don't buy bape like they used to the collectors are still there and as there is less supply on the market the demand goes down, the price will go up. GR (general release) items don't go for crazy amounts of money same with GR Supreme or jordans. Stuff like the Bape Pepsi collab, or the Nike SB pigeons both for a good amount of money for example.
This pinball machine is in no way a mass produced GR item.
The reason I think will be sold on stern's site is becuase all of the recent higher ticket collabs have been sold at the retailers of the collaborator, Rimowa, Louis Vutton, Lacoste. So what if Stern's site can't keep up with the traffic, Lacoste's website took a shit last week when they put the collab up.
So the reason I think a raffle is a good idea, is because I think it could easily sit on Stern's site for a while becuase not everyone has that kind of money, with the drawing being late june, early july, and the last drop being around that same time (when the most expensive accessory releases, the fender guitar for example) it's not far fetched to think I could pick it up through them. Even then I'm sure the people who do these raffles have some kind of pull in the pinball world and if I explain to them that "hey this machine is kinda the only one I want" and with the ability to pick "any current professional stern game." It's easy to think it would be possible to pull off some mini miracle.
So why do I want this? Because it's only going to get more unobtainable as the years go on with it be price or scarcity, 10k is a small investment, because there's not doubt in my mind this will be worth 18k in 3 years. Especially when so supreme items from 10 years ago are at art auctions for 12k when they initially retailed for around $300.
You can't say a LR item will hold no value compared to a GR item, GR items are worthless becuase anyone can get them.
I'm sorry to get spicy with you.
Quoted from Hammer1021:
Just remember what happened to people who thought they had a great investment in Beanie Babies.
Beanie Babies were mass produced with an arbitrary form of value attached to them, same with pogs or baseball cards. You cannot create something; and market it as collectable when I can walk down to the store and get it; for a relatively adorable price. There needs to be a supply and demand, a reason for the inflation in value. That and the idea of them being of value artificially drove up the price till nobody wanted them, because everyone was asking for too much. There was no demand for all the supply they created so then, the bubble collapsed. Funko Pops would be a good example of a modern beanie baby, mass produced, cheap, too many variants, cheap price point and relatively easy to get. But keep in mind they're supposed to be "rare and collectable" when most have in no way been rare.
I'm sure some funko pops will hold their value but all those basic Spiderman will not, that's why some beanie babies have held their value while most have not; supply and demand.
That and there was no outside value attached to beanie babies, they were just fabric they had no prior association or real reason or function. That's why Supreme isn't comparable to beanie babies, becuase something like a Supreme punching bag has a function and reason for it's value, before the value that the Supreme name adds to it. Now will the supreme name always have value, yes and no but keep in mind that people will always be chasing the dragon. It will always have value to someone and the more expensive and scare the initial value is the more expensive it will be as time goes on because the initial pool of collectors who got it was low thus they can charge whatever premium they want becuase there will away be a buyer, not today, not tomorrow but there will always be a buyer.