I've never felt older, I still don't understand what the fuck supreme is. Apparently a lifestyle?
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Quoted from Deaconblooze:I've never felt older, I still don't understand what the fuck supreme is. Apparently a lifestyle?
It's history repeating itself again. And if you are too old to remember "No Fear", then yes, you really are fn old.
Quoted from o-din:But.. but.. this is America, where credit is king and can be had for a song. He sounds like at least he has a job. Sometimes that's all it takes. And credit companies will do just about anything to help make your dreams come true.
also..
There is no tooth fairy
Chicago, IL
Quoted from SilverBallz:This thread is so fake.
how can you say that?
Supreme are the best, they will be forever
Quoted from PopBumperPete:how can you say that?
Supreme are the best, they will be forever
The ops name alone brings red flags. The knowledge and use of Pinball terminology is so suspect, coming from the story they created. The the topic is absurd.
And I only skimmed it. I can’t believe people are replying to it.
Quoted from Deaconblooze:I've never felt older, I still don't understand what the fuck supreme is. Apparently a lifestyle?
It's a brand. With red and white text.
Like Coca-Cola.
Quoted from o-din:At least the op seems to know what he wants.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/convince-me-tna-or-acdc
Ha, indeed. Though I would argue I know what I want. Either a TNA or ACDC 
and have always been leaning ACDC.
Quoted from Frax:Man.....
It's a novel day when I can't even lightly poke fun of someone for liking Sailor Moon or Hello Kitty (I love anime ffs) but instead have to chastise them for being dumb enough to finance a Supreme pinball..
And where the hell did the BALLY part of this come from?!?! LOL! Bally hasn't produced a pin in over 20 years! Did you even do any research at all, or are you just being spoonfed information from all the other dweebs that are happy to throw away money because something is red and white using a stolen font....or are you interested in this game: http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=155
Bro, and I really mean "bro" because you are exemplifying that term right now:
Just delete your account and pretend this thread never happened. Make a new account, don't mention this at all, and come back in incognito and we will forget this ever happened and welcome you to the community and help you out with tech advice when you inevitably need it because you can't afford to pay a tech, and don't know the first thing about maintaining a pin. We already had a massive thread about the Supreme pin and the nearly universal consensus except for two guys out of 100+ is that it's the most moronic thing we've ever seen. Paying for your BLING with a credit card? You just won the Idioteque Grand Prix. You know what is said about my hometown, and the place I've been a resident of my entire life, Dallas? That we have McMillionaires....guys that buy fancy cars they can't afford to try to pull in chicks, while living in the crappiest apartments. This is *you* right now. Wake. Up.
Design? Sure, okay. But much like I don't know art, I still know s--t when I see it, and that thing is a big steaming pile designed to rob suckers like you of money. That's the DESIGNED INTENT of their products. It's not quality. It's not uniqueness or rarity. I said it on the other thread, I'll say it ad infinitum because I believe it's one of the most relevant things I've ever heard about these kinds of "designer" things: "Fifty dollars for a t-shirt, that's just some ridic....sh------t"
Not mass produced? Give me a break. It's going to be built on the same Stern assembly line that produces THOUSANDS of other pins a year. The only difference is the excessive amount of laziness put into this 'design'....it's the same layout as a game released in 2016 for the home market, with lazy art and sound on it. It's going to be built on a literal assembly line, using the same process as everything else Stern makes. It's not handcrafted, it's not unique. It's LITERALLY a copied product with a different label. See attached picture.
https://www.supremenewyork.com/previews/springsummer2018/accessories/don-t-ask-me-4-shit-stamp <---here's a product you can use. Classy!
I don't know what's worst, the fact that I'm going to waste energy on you. Because no matter how I explain the appeal you won't get it and I know it because you're making a value judgments. Or the fact I paid 5 dollars to do so knowing damn well I'll more than likely never be back on this site in a week.
Yes I know the machine is a reskin, that's obvious. Do I care no.
I like the design it's simple and clean, sure it's not the most "pinball" of designs but it suits the brand, and I don't know what else they'd do? Drawings of Harold Hunter and Jebbia seems ham fisted. I want it because it's Supreme, I've been collecting supreme for years. You can make value judgements all you like about my hobbies but you have no room to talk when it you're on a pinball fourm.
Anyways supreme makes wacky object all the time. Hatches, fire extinguishers, crowbars I could go on; do I use any of them no, I just display them, they're nice and they look cool. Just google supreme accessories to get an idea. Yes this pinball machine is niche and esoteric and a Supreme one is beyond so. It's not for pinball collectors, sure it's a "lazy reskin" but I don't care. Like I said I don't care if it was a new game or a reskin. I just want it to display in the crib. I'm not saying it's frivolous or dumb. But that's my hobby. I wish I could help you understand why I do it or why I enjoy it but I can't. I'm just attached to the brand and have been since I was like 15. Brand loyalty and capitalism are a strange thing. Like I said supreme is a lifestyle brand you'd be astonished how many little things they make.
Is it dumb I'm willing to make monthy payments on it maybe. But I think it will hold it's value appreciate in value (in the supreme community becuase I know y'all pinball wizards don't care.) And Obviously it's made in a factory I never said it was made by hand but there's only 100-1000 speculated making it one of the most limited non-sample supreme pieces ever made. It's a limited run item, It is not mass produced, YYou won't be able to go to the pinball store and pick this up. Like it's very much a collectors item. And look; I am a collector of this brand. But I digress. I don't think $180 a month isn't a bad bill for this. I'm 21, the only other bill in my life is rent, I don't have to make a car payment in the city I live in and I have so desire to move to the suburbs and by a house so no mortgage. I wish I could give you a better example but the only thing I could compare this to is collecting art or any other kind of collectable.
This Pinball machine is like a Chanel Tennis set, or a Gucci Fiat; sure they do the same thing as every other racket or fiat but they're branded so it's a way to take something you enjoy and extend it into other facet of your life. I'm not getting it to impress someone, nobodys going to walk into my house and immediately suck my dick for having it. I don't expect people to be impressed by my, be@rbricks or art that I've collected either, I do this for me.
I'm sure something like this grinds your gears and I know it's not inline with your tastes as a pinball wizard. So I'm sorry again, like I sated in your first post I feel bad for invading your space in the first place. Like I said I have an surface level interest and knowledge of pinball, like it's tight and I've beaten a table but I don't fuck with it heavy like I do Supreme. I have no desire to have a pinball machine but I want this. I know that may seem dumb to you because Supreme is just another brand but I love this brand and grew up with it. But I understand it has no value or interested to you. So I'm sorry If I'm intruding on your pinball domain I just want some help getting my White Whale before it become a whole unicorn. Yes 10k is steep but it's better than the 20-5k0 it could end up being when these all end up in the homes of collectors.
Quoted from Deaconblooze:I've never felt older, I still don't understand what the fuck supreme is. Apparently a lifestyle?
I'm with you. I don't know what the supreme lifestyle is. . . only Supremes I am familiar with are the ones from Motown.
Thought this might be appropriate though with a little web searching:
Quoted from EricHadley:This thread is a joke right.....right? Please!?
No more of a joke than getting hyped up over re-issues of 20 year old machines. Or new ones based on bands or movies from 30 years ago.
ebay.com link: NEW SUPREME BOX LOGO Classic pure color cotton T shirt pocket shirt S XL Black
Here's a great way to save $181 on a t-shirt and have more money to buy the pinball.
Quoted from Minneapolispin:ebay.com link » New Supreme Box Logo Classic Pure Color Cotton T Shirt Pocket Shirt S Xl Black
Here's a great way to save $181 on a t-shirt and have more money to buy the pinball.
That's fake and painfully so. I also have 4 box logo tees so I'm good
Quoted from local_single:I know that may seem dumb to you because Supreme is just another brand but I love this brand and grew up with it.
Doesn't seem dumb to me at all. This website is full of those that are hanging onto themes that they grew up with.
Only difference is most of theirs happened in the stone age.
Quoted from o-din:Doesn't seem dumb to me at all. This website is full of those that are hanging onto themes that they grew up with.
Only difference is most of theirs happened in the stone age.
O-din, what is the Mexican word of the day? Supreme?
Maria: "The water pump isn't working."
Jose: "Supreme it."
Quoted from local_single:I'm 21, the only other bill in my life is rent, I don't have to make a car payment in the city I live in and I have so desire to move to the suburbs and by a house so no mortgage.
It is foolish to go into debt for a luxury item, especially a brand label. At your age, you really need to start making some good financial decisions or you will start getting into problems later in life. Build up a nest egg and don't spend every dime you have. Living paycheck to paycheck is not ideal.
What if you lose your job? Or your apartment? What if you have a medical emergency or accident? What if you end up owing money on your tax return? What about health insurance costs? Dental work?
Set funds aside for an emergency fund, and put a little away for a splurge/fun fund. If you have any outstanding debts, such as college loans, pay those off as well. Interest on debt can really eat into your earnings significantly.
You should really have at least 3 months of living expenses on hand in case something happens. Once you have that, then maybe you can start thinking about significant luxury items.
http://www.businessinsider.com/smart-things-money-20s-2015-8#1-pay-off-student-debt-1
http://www.businessinsider.com/worst-money-mistakes-millennials-2015-6
https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/finance/manage-money-20s/
https://www.artofmanliness.com/2015/05/26/personal-finance-goals-for-your-20s/
Quoted from ForceFlow:What if you lose your job? Or your apartment? What if you have a medical emergency or accident? What if you end up owing money on your tax return? What about health insurance costs? Dental work?
In your 20s you're not supposed to worry about such trivial things. You should be having the time of your life!
20s are those indestructible years where you get the styling things you want and the women that go along with it. Even if you can't afford it.
Let the old people that are saddled with house and wife payments worry themselves to an ulcer, and always remember.....
You are only young once!
Quoted from ForceFlow:It is foolish to go into debt for a luxury item, especially a brand label. At your age, you really need to start making some good financial decisions or you will start getting into problems later in life. Build up a nest egg and don't spend every dime you have. Living paycheck to paycheck is not ideal.
What if you lose your job? Or your apartment? What if you have a medical emergency or accident? What if you end up owing money on your tax return? What about health insurance costs? Dental work?
Set funds aside for an emergency fund, and put a little away for a splurge/fun fund. If you have any outstanding debts, such as college loans, pay those off as well. Interest on debt can really eat into your earnings significantly.
You should really have at least 3 months of living expenses on hand in case something happens. Once you have that, then maybe you can start thinking about significant luxury items.
http://www.businessinsider.com/smart-things-money-20s-2015-8#1-pay-off-student-debt-1
http://www.businessinsider.com/worst-money-mistakes-millennials-2015-6
https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/finance/manage-money-20s/
https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/7-money-decisions-you-should-make-in-your-20s.html/?a=viewall
https://www.artofmanliness.com/2015/05/26/personal-finance-goals-for-your-20s/
I don't make throw money into a bank account to let it collect dust money. I have plenty of object of value or wealth that I can sell if I need money.
Stuff like this is my emergency fund, the art and collectables I buy, and on top of that they grow in value. if that makes sense? Making a monthly payment isn't that bad if it grows my wealth and worth
Is this a multi-level marketing kind of deal? Seems like the kind of talk I usually hear around such things. I could easily imaging the same conversation if an Amway pin was rumored to be released.
Seriously, just did some googling and I see that it is a New York brand from the early '90s coming from the skateboarding community. Personally, I'm more of a Liquid Force kind of guy (wakeboarding brand from the same era - skateboarding behind a boat, basically).
I learned a long time ago not to tell other people how to spend their money, because I don't want to hear it from anyone about how to spend mine. To each his own, but you have to know that when expressing ideas that seem frivolous or unrelatable to many/most, you are going to get some goading. Don't take it personal, even though some may be intended as such, and realize that with "Supreme" may be a "lifestyle" it is rather exclusive brand (in means of its target audience) that most don't relate to. Seriously, a friggin' $10 T-shirt with a small red rectangle on it going for $1,300? There is exclusive, but that's plain cultic to want something so badly that you'll spend that kind of money for it. In my house, we call that a "stupid tax". Not saying everything in first world environment has to make economic sense, but come on. I'd really be interested in having worldview conversations with some of these youth with socialistic ideas that support a capitalistic brand to this extreme.
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:Is this a multi-level marketing kind of deal?
Yes, it is a brand that appeals to both young and old.
Trust me OP, you aren't the only one that 'has to have' a pinball machine of a certain title. KISS, AC/DC, TRON, Ghostbusters - whatever. They feel as passionate over those themes as you do with Supreme.
1. Do not think of your pinball purchase as an investment.
2. Do not borrow or go into dept to buy a pinball machine.
That said - do whatever you want. You're going to anyway.
Its probably real, like Gucci bags or Yeezy shoes, audiophile powder cords that cost $10,000 or oil paintings that are all white on a white canvas, or who knows what kind of stuff you've never even heard of. People like all sorts of stuff with high price tags.
For the OP, there is a way to get what you want by raffle. Its the raffle of life! That's how the people here got theirs. To see what I mean, have a look at this thread.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/what-do-you-do-for-a-living
Quoted from local_single:I don't make throw money into a bank account to let it collect dust money. I have plenty of object of value or wealth that I can sell if I need money
I understand the viewpoint of having fun now in the moment. It's still wise to set a little aside.
Quoted from local_single:Stuff like this is my emergency fund, the art and collectables I buy, and on top of that they grow in value. if that makes sense? Making a monthly payment isn't that bad if it grows my wealth and worth
It's still good to have some liquid assets in case of emergency where you can't sell a collectible quick enough for the price you want. An emergency fund is just that--for emergencies and unforeseen circumstances. It's not really an investment fund. A few people I know who did sock a little away for an emergency fund were sure glad they did and that it was there when they needed it. It was one less thing they needed to worry about when tragedy struck.
As for having all your funds into collectibles--what if the supreme brand gets embroiled in something that tarnishes their reputation and the value drops like a rock? That's a risk with any collectible--it's only valuable if people perceive that it is. Imagine if you were the world's premiere collector of Cosby memorabilia--a few years ago it probably would have been worth a little bit, but today, not so much.
If tomorrow my pins and collectibles were suddenly worth nothing, I would probably be disappointed, but I sure wouldn't be ruined.
I'm amused and glad Stern used its home pin as the basis for this Supreme release. I guess one could still actually claim it's unique since it's in a standard cab though. Is that as far as the changes go? Nothing unique on the playfield? I imagine DMD animations must also be unique.
Questioning whether this is a pinsider having a laugh, but even if not, this kid may be right. This could very well hold it's value/appreciate more than a "real" pinball machine. I actually don't see much difference in "investing" or speculating in this product compared to something more common and acceptable like bitcoin. Both of them have limited or no intrinsic value other than demand from future fans or speculators. It will be interesting to see what the initial price point is and how pricing evolves.
I have leaned two things from this thread:
1. You have to be retarded to want/buy anything Supreme.
2. I'm retarded for not inventing Supreme. Slap a logo on a brick, or a crow bar, or a rock, or a turd and sell them for thousands. How did I not know there's a market for that?
Quoted from local_single:Hello my apologies and sorry to bug you all. I don't mean to invade your online space so I will be brief; I'm interested in getting my hands on The Bally Supreme game coming out later on this year but I obviously don't make bank like that.
So as someone who's be collecting Supreme for a little over half a decade, recently with many collabs they've been sold on the site of the collaborator; Lacoste, Louie, Rimowa. So it's safe to assume that this will be sold on Bally's site. See here's the gag though. I don't have 10k+
I assume most of you didn't pay for your games outright, because let's be real the avrage person isn't making rapper money. I saw someone on the pinball subreddit say something about winning a raffle and getting a free game. So I was wondering if you could point me in the direction of one of these raffles. I'm assuming there's a way to finance a table I highly doubt y'all are ballin like that to drop a used car on a toy.
Again, sorry for invading y'alls space and thank you so much, for your time and help
Pay off your demon first
Wellesley, ON
Sorry, can't help myself. Just have to chime in here. Has anyone else noticed that the OP said he doesn't think "a $180 monthly payment is a bad bill". Really? On $10,000?!? Hey OP, let's do some simple math shall we? Let's say you somehow found an amazingly dumb lender willing to lend you this money for a pinball machine (or credit card) and your interest rate is miraculously below 10%. At $180 a month and accrued interest over the length of the loan you should have that paid off by....what.... 2035? Yeah, sounds like a REALLY wise investment here bud. Jump on this now because it is clear you are going places and have got it all figured out my man. Skys the limit for you!
And when you're in your mid 30s with no woman in your life, no car, house or pot to go pee pee in you can always think back to that glorious time when you were 21 and you reached for the stars by getting that Supreme pinball machine that you paid $25,000 for on a credit card just to prove that you could do it. Cuz that's what winners do.
Rock on.
Quoted from Deaconblooze:I've never felt older, I still don't understand what the fuck supreme is. Apparently a lifestyle?
I can't help you. I thought it was a type of pizza I hate.
Quoted from local_single:That's fake and painfully so.
Looks real to me. You must not know your supreme stuff very well.
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:In my house, we call that a "stupid tax".
I wonder if that term is a regional thing? I've used that also. Would be cool if it was a Texas thing, lol.
The moment this guy said "crib" and "throw money" in his responses was all I needed to see to confirm what was already evident. He's beyond logic or help. He came here looking for validation, and he's not going to get it, so now we are the ones that "can't understand", even though it's clear that most of us are collectors of some things that everyone else would call stupid. Should've gone to the Supreme forums if you were looking for backup, bro. People here aren't afraid to call things as they are, not how we imagine them to be. The crowd here is older, more experienced with money, and more logical than 99.9% of 21 year olds. You'd be wise to listen to some of these guys and take their advice, even if you think I'm an idiot....but you won't...because you're 21 and think you know everything there is to know about the world via the intarwebz and your "culture bros".
Quoted from Frax:I wonder if that term is a regional thing? I've used that also. Would be cool if it was a Texas thing, lol.
The moment this guy said "crib" and "throw money" in his responses was all I needed to see to confirm what was already evident. He's beyond logic or help. He came here looking for validation, and he's not going to get it, so now we are the ones that "can't understand", even though it's clear that most of us are collectors of some things that everyone else would call stupid. Should've gone to the Supreme forums if you were looking for backup, bro. People here aren't afraid to call things as they are, not how we imagine them to be. The crowd here is older, more experienced with money, and more logical than 99.9% of 21 year olds. You'd be wise to listen to some of these guys and take their advice, even if you think I'm an idiot....but you won't...because you're 21 and think you know everything there is to know about the world via the intarwebz and your "culture bros".
I'll drink to that!
Interesting article about Supreme accessories. I don't understand it but don't need to.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/5gq393/supreme-and-the-psychology-of-brand-devotion
I don't know if it's frowned on to link to reddit, but for entertainment purposes:
I don't think it's Kaneda, because he posted to reddit before pinside.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pinball/comments/8e0bwi/pinball_raffles_finance_help_a_broke_boi_out/
Quoted from Frax:I wonder if that term is a regional thing? I've used that also. Would be cool if it was a Texas thing, lol.
The moment this guy said "crib" and "throw money" in his responses was all I needed to see to confirm what was already evident. He's beyond logic or help. He came here looking for validation, and he's not going to get it, so now we are the ones that "can't understand", even though it's clear that most of us are collectors of some things that everyone else would call stupid. Should've gone to the Supreme forums if you were looking for backup, bro. People here aren't afraid to call things as they are, not how we imagine them to be. The crowd here is older, more experienced with money, and more logical than 99.9% of 21 year olds. You'd be wise to listen to some of these guys and take their advice, even if you think I'm an idiot....but you won't...because you're 21 and think you know everything there is to know about the world via the intarwebz and your "culture bros".
Well put, dude. This reminds me of a woman I briefly dated long ago. She was a little nuts about shoes and handbags, the kinds with 1000% markups. One time she came over all smiles with a new $2500 purse. I made a comment and she defended her purchase as a "great deal!". Then she compared it to my pool table which cost $2500 and said I can't talk.
Funny thing is she didn't see the difference that some items, like a pool table or a car, are supposed to be expensive because they are expensive to make. The markups are reasonable. The value is obvious.
Paying $2500 for a purse (due to the label), when you can get a similar quality purse for $250, or a disposable purse for $50, is retarded. She got played for a fool. Same goes for all these Supreme douches, who unsurprisingly all appear to be Millennial. And surely none of us can tell them any different. They know best.
p.s. This woman lived with her parents and bought it with her credit card.
You guys know you're getting trolled right now right?
Like when someone posts a pic of Rihanna & says "look how much weight Janet Jackson lost"
I like to say "right arm" instead of "right on" to strangers to see if they hear it. Much like the "meow" of Supertroopers.
Quoted from PW79:You guys know you're getting trolled right now right?
Like when someone posts a pic of Rihanna & says "look how much weight Janet Jackson lost"
I like to say "right arm" instead of "right on" to strangers to see if they hear it. Much like the "meow" of Supertroopers.
You're probably right. This is as real as the guy who made videos of electrocuting homeless dudes stealing his bicycle.
Financing a pinball is no different than financing a boat or a car or any other item you may want. If you have a stable job and a comfortable income, then why the hell not? Bonus if your CC company issues you 0% for 18 months checks! Pay a couple hundred a month and enjoy your game meow...
Quoted from Frax:And where the hell did the BALLY part of this come from?!?! LOL! Bally hasn't produced a pin in over 20 years!
"Bally" has produced a pinball game since 1988.
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