I reallz have to recommend Sega Goldeneye! Played it first in Visual Pinball, but was a bit meeh... then I started digging more into it, and settled for one in great shape. Its difficult and very cool, a long lasting pin!

Also its from the period just before Sega started to become "cheaper" in every way, so the machine feels generally solid and good.

Well, besides the possible chance that I might not be that a skilled pinball player, also the fact that I just havent spent THAT much time playing Goldeneye, what makes it difficult is that it drains the balls to the side darn fast. Almost Addams-Family-right-outlane-drain at times. It can hit a rubber and fly into outlanes faster than i can blink. Also, getting superjackpot is very difficult, there is no ball save and the balls have the "everybody out of the pool" tendency alot. Third, I find finishing Q's Pen a real bitch, but that makes it even better the times I accomplish it. Still havent come to wizard mode tho =)

How is yours when it comes to outlane drains?

I have to second this, with the exception of Goldeneye and Baywatch, which almost feels more like DE machines. Although I enjoy Sega pins, I feel its wrong to say that Stern, Sega and DE are the same, because while it may be Gary all the way, the actual machines feel different and also I feel Stern games have become much deeper than most Sega-era games. Just stating facts =)

Sega machines are usually good bang for the buck, and its nice that we have those to choose from

A strange or mayhaps just a "different" thing is that the modes on Goldeneye scores often downwards. First shot scores 20 mill, next 15 mill, 10 mill etc. just an ...interesting variation.