Yes exactly. I do not pay attention to price books because of the variance involved. If I want to know a true current value I look it up on comparison website to see what is currently available for sale and what condition it is in. Or what is my replacement cost? Another thing to consider is location. California seems to be the highest priced market while Oregon, Texas, Florida and Illinois seem to be priced lower and more competitive. Areas like Utah and Wyoming are the black holes of pinball with no inventory and very few listings. It is all about supply and demand-but where is the supply and where is the demand. As far as examples go how about fully restored Wh20 for $8k or even the current TSPP HUO low play for $4600. To a serious collector these machines are a great value and are worth the extra money. It is difficult to put a valuation on some restorations and modifications or low number plays but like everyone around here says " The true value of what something is worth is what someone is willing spend."

You just proved the point that price guides are worthless. I will take a Tommy for those prices unless it is a complete routed turd? I have seen nice Tommy's going for $3000-$4000. If I can get a decent Tommy for $2300-I will take five of them.

LOL-Yes you do but it is a private VIP club and everything usually is word of mouth or KSL? I did not even know about KSL until I met my Utah and Wyoming Peeps(;

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I am selling my Tommy machine. It has been lightly shopped with LEDs put in the GI and new rubbers and bulbs everywhere else. Flippers have been rebuilt and the game works and plays well. Its certainly not CQ as the cabinet has been touched up here and there (before I got it) and the wires seem to be pretty dirty and I didn't tear it down enough to wash those. The only thing that doesn't work is the blinder for the apron. All the parts are there but I think the small board under the apron is bad. There is a guy in Germany working on a new board though and they have been reproduced in the past although pinball life sold the last one a few weeks ago. The playfield is pretty nice with only a few wear spots on Tommys jacket (just down to white not wood) and behind the Union Jack shot (Easy touch up as it is black and hidden under a wire form ) The DMD looks good but it is not showing up well in pics because the shutter is set fast for the LEDs.

Like I said if you find a decent Tommy- not player quality I would be interested for $2300(;

OK this explains it all. I looked at your collection and kinda made this assumption. Pinball is not a cheap hobby and if someone cannot afford certain titles, does not mean that people who can afford them should leave the "deals" for the guy with a select budget that can afford them. First come first serve. If you snooze you lose. There is no problem with someone picking up a pinball at a good value-with some meat left on the bone and then offering it up at a later date for market value or below. Many times the machine being re-sold is still a great value in the current market. If it is above market value it will not sale. Let the market determine, not someone with a low budget and a chip on his shoulder. Everyone gives Teekee crap but in reality he is an asset to our hobby and helps people find hard to get collector quality pinball machines at market value. Serious collectors appreciate not having to search high and low for a quality machine. Haters going to hate.