Sandy, UT
Quoted from pinmister:Areas like Utah and Wyoming are the black holes of pinball with no inventory and very few listings.
Hey, now. There is pinball down here in the black hole 
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Quoted from pinmister:LOL-Yes you do but it is a private VIP club and everything usually is word of mouth or KSL? I did not even know about KSL until I met my Utah and Wyoming Peeps(;
We'll let you in with the secret handshake 
Quoted from Cybergoonie:Word my brotha.
Any interest from SLC area people in some tournaments? Possibly getting an IPFA state championship started?
(Sorry, OT).
A good reason to keep quiet about what you've paid for a pin is to not expose yourself as either a sucker, or a low baller.
I'm starting to understand that you will over pay some times, and under pay other times. Hopefully it evens out and even more than that... hopefully we keep buying and selling because we love pinball.
Quoted from LesManley:People here are funny. Holding on to what they paid for a pinball machine like it was a potential cure for cancer. What's the big deal? I'm fine with what I have paid for every pinball machine I have purchased and wouldn't hesitate to tell anyone what I paid to help them gauge prices if they asked me. Nothing to be embarrassed about here.
Problem is it does matter to certain sellers what someone paid. That information can be used to either avoid a sale completely (if they think you're a lowballer) or to take advantage of someone (if they think you're a sucker).
If all of this information were ignored, and we simply went on a case by case machine by machine basis... it would be simpler and there would be no 'alterior motives' exposed by anyone.
Yeah I do live in La La land
Quoted from PinballMikeD:I sold my WH2O for $8k, only lost $2.5k in materials plus a couple months of my life. Like you I "cringed", but hey it's a hobby and I'm glad my buyer got a great deal. At least he'll play and enjoy the game.
No implications about you personally, Mike. In fact I enjoyed your video where you remade MB. Very cool.
I just think that $8K is insane for a 20 year old machine. It's a personal opinion.
Quoted from PinballMikeD:I hear you
It comes down to what people like and how they define value - everybody’s different. What I don’t understand is the concept of “price policing” in general. If somebody can sell a Class of 1812 for $7k it doesn’t hurt my feelings - I didn't buy it. I just don’t get why some people feel the burning need to shit all over other guys FS threads. Don’t get me wrong, I see stuff I think is overpriced all the time, but I don’t feel the need to tell everybody I think the seller’s price is crazy – What value would that add? Mamma always told me, “If you don’t have something nice to say don’t say anything at all.”
Agreed I won't call the guy out who's selling his WH20 for $8K, because he probably put $7.5K into it. But somewhere down that chain--somewhere in that WH20's lifetime--at least one or two owners overpaid.
The price inflation in pinball looks a lot like the housing price inflation in the late 2000's IMO... we know how that ended.
Hope you can find your mint TSPP btw.
Quoted from pezpunk:it's a fool that looks for logic the chambers of the human heart.
It's the people who try to take advantage of those 'hearts' that are the problem. The pumpers.
Quoted from pinstor12:Some people can afford nicer pins, some can't, some care, some don't, some understand, some never will, some see the better than new restoration jobs, some can't see at all.
Can't wait for the next price thread!
We see what price pumping did to the USA housing market... it caused a global economic crisis that we're only now starting to recover from.
Pinball isn't nearly on that scale, and it is a luxury hobby. Principle is the same, though. Greed does nobody any good.
Quoted from pinstor12:Chadderack said:
We see what price pumping did to the USA housing market... it caused a global economic crisis that we're only now starting to recover from.
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People priced pumped housing?
I thought the sellers asked a price they thought they could get in the current market. I thought the buyers bought freely, along with their banks. No gun to their head.
Don't blame the sellers, only the buyers. Nobody forces you to buy. Don't like it, don't buy it. We all have different opinions on what something is worth.
Maybe I misstated the problem as price pumping. More to the point, it was the flippers and the banks who gave easy loans.
That said, pure greed was why the housing market crashed. People made foolish investments with money they shouldn't have been loaned because they couldn't pay it back.
The situation is different with pinball, of course, because pinball is a luxury item... however the problem as I see it is the same... it comes back to greed. A few greedy flippers pump the price and people who don't know any better start paying that price. That jacks up the price for everyone and prices people out of the market.
It's not really a soapbox I'm on; it's just an observation. Some of us are just concerned about the shrinking pool of pinball enthusiasts when people are priced out. The principle there is the same as well... the housing market couldn't support thousands of million dollar homes that weren't really million dollar homes because there weren't that many that could afford them.
Quoted from Rarehero:I feel like we're having 2 different conversations here....and I can't tell if you're complimenting me or being sarcastic...lol. Oh well, thanks?
We're all friends here.
Quoted from eggbert52:I'm still trying to understand this thread. Pinside has the best prices on the web and you always know where the market is in terms of pricing.
Plus it seems like you might be able to trust people here a bit more than those on ebay.
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