Just thinking about it the past few days. And I should start out saying that TAF and TZ (esp TZ) are really cool well done games. But are they really 2-3x more game than say WCS94, JM, or Congo (wide range I know). These games seems to go for 2k-2.5k or SO. TAF and TZ seem to go for 5k-6k. I've had a discussion with my wife about getting a TZ a few times and we always come to the same conclusion.....there are enough 1k-2.5k games out there we like that it's hard to justifying selling 2-4 games to buy one.

To me it's a market thing. NOT a supply thing.....these are two of the most produced games ever. They are EVERYWHERE. Here are the Pinside owner numbers:

TAF (1118)
TAF Gold (145)
TZ (1549)

While......
Congo (223)
WCS (492)
JM (309)

So there are plenty to go around, no supply issue... not looking for a fight, just start a discussion on how these prices could be defended outside of pure market value. Which is cool. When I bought my JM I looked at the market to tell me what's fair and when I go to sell I'll do the same thing. Just thinkin'. Are there really three times the modes, toys, and fun?

Maybe you can convince me....

I was looking for a little discussion on what you like about the games. Also if TAF suddenly fell in value to say.....$2.5k how mad would you be... I suppose if it was a keeper thats one thing, sure 10k all day but if you buy it just to sell it later....that's a lot of cash tied up.

Just wondering friends. It's a forum. Let's have some dialog. It's more of an abstract thought experiment than a convincing....

Very telling. And I can see that. Fun fun game. Cool.

This all kinda came up with the MMR thing. A lot of people felt they were burned because the investment they made in MM got cut, we'll see how much. I do A LOT of driving and listening to podcasts and just thought these two games would make a good discussion starter.

I would agree as well. Addams is a lot more.....fun...and engaging.

For a lot of people TAF holds a lot of nostalgia. Same goes for TZ. For some people that was their golden age. For some Gorgar was their golden age for them....lucky ducks!!!

Yes supply and demand. TAF had something like......7x the amount of games produced than JM. Supply is WAY there...and demand might be there but there is 7X (or so) the amount of games. The way supply and demand works is when there is a shortage in supply the price goes up...right?

I agree. I guess my REAL question is why do you guys like them? What draws you in and makes you feel it's that much more of a game?

What do you like the best when comparing these B listers to the A listers?

Right. I see the demand. But what about it makes it 7x more desirable?

Yeah theme could be a big one. I agree that the 'universal-ness of TAF helped it be as popular as it was in it's original run. And maybe what helped TZ but really the depth is what keeps it interesting to people now. Back in it's day it was a flop because it was too deep, ha. Sometimes the biggest flaw can help make something immortal....

PL is pretty amazing. I love me some FH and Whirlwind!!!

Lucky duck......I have a friend who is really into gottlieb EMs....he has a TONNE of them......much easier to amass

OK...well can someone talk about why its killer, why its top of the tops, what it has over that b titles. Talk about why you keep coming back to it, why it was worth 2-3 b titles.

Thanks it is subjective. Like trying to take hold of the wind. Like trying to remember your dreams.

BTW...I've played both of these games way way way more than 20 times. These were my golden age games. That and T2...but we ain't talkin about t2 are we..ha

Maybe I should have asked why is PL so damn good??

Yeah...theme does help a lot. But us pinheads know that game play keeps ya coming back.

Maybe a good question for some of the old blood here.. Would you buy it today? I know some of you out there got your game for 2k. Now that it's way more...would you dive in? Its easy to say its worth it when you're on the right side of the coin

New York...the town of Mario!

Thank you!! I was looking for someone to make it ok for me to get the Roy Clark Cocktail instead of TZ....phew..... weight...off...my...shoulders

I too have started to see that. TZ and TAF do have something special over those titles. Great insight on the rest Nick. Thanks!

I love all this input and dialog! They are indeed two of the most popular games.

You guys...