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Apple Time: Thunder Man Info??? (Zaccaria/Unknown Hybrid)

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#51 61 days ago

Haven't decided yet.
Painted would be my preferred choice as it and would look more like what would have been done during the 80's, but it's something I've not ever done before so I'm not sure how good I could do it. At the end of the day, it's a departure from the original cabinet design so its if I go this way it's never going to be authentic, it's just my own vision of what the Thunder Man cabinet should have been if it wasn't just thrown into a branded cabinet.

I guess you could say I would go the sticker route if my attempt at painting it turned out really bad. haha

#52 58 days ago

I know we are quite a limited with Thunder Man owners so I'm assuming the answer will be no..

Does anyone have any schematics for the Thunder Man boards?

If not is anyone able to provide some detailed photos of the boards especially in the eprom area.

I have a contact in Italy that is trying to reproduce these boards. He does some quality work as I've purchased a brand new MPU for my Bell Games Cobra off him earlier in the year.
If I can get as much info across to him as possible we may have a source for replacement boards in the future.

Any help would be appreciated.

#53 57 days ago

Have you considered buying the Gen2 evo board, driver board and power board from
Pinballsolutions.eu
I would bet that it was just Zacc gen2 hardware in the original
Then you would just need to put the rom in it

#54 57 days ago
Quoted from Meldenhut:

Have you considered buying the Gen2 evo board, driver board and power board from
Pinballsolutions.eu
I would bet that it was just Zacc gen2 hardware in the original
Then you would just need to put the rom in it

I have not considered this as an option just yet, but will keep this in mind.

I want to quote a message I received from my helpful Italian friend. This is why I have not considered this just yet... This conversation was in relation to the sound board which he is currently working on.

"yes, but... we have a problem for your thunder man. I realized that the card used on that pinball machine is very similar to the Zaccaria, however the printed circuit is different. The t.m. mounts 2 eprom 2764 which have 4 more pins than the original 2532. this means that the board is necessarily different. Without the wiring diagrams, it will not be easy to make the changes. On the CPU board instead, there is already the predisposition for the 2764 and it should be simpler."

This is why he has asked me to see if I can provide some detailed photos of the boards especially in the eprom area.

Of course I'm not dismissing any opinions and suggestions here, so thank you for your suggestion Meldenhut, however because I know the history of his work with Bell Games I'm happy to wait until he has all the info he needs to recreate the boards. If he cannot then of course purchasing from Pinballsolutions.eu will be the next option.

I'm in no rush, I'm poor after my last purchase and I still need to finish my Cobra project before I get started on Thunder Man.

1 week later
#55 49 days ago

Hey Thunder Man owners I'm hoping I can ask a favor, my contact in Italy is bench testing Thunder Man Audio at the moment and he suspects that there is a problem, but he is hoping to confirm this from another Thunder Man owner.

Have a watch of the below video which is a bench test of the audio for Thunder Man, as you can see, after the number 20 he believes the issues start.
There are some distorted voices, but more importantly, some tests are completely skipped. From 24 and 27, there is a jump, and the same thing happens from 34 and 40. He would like to know if other Thunder Man machines also behave in the same way when running this test.

Bench Test

I took the liberty of running the same test on my computer using the Thunder Man ROM using PinMame (See below) and it did appear to be different to the results he was getting on the bench test, but he would like confirmation from a physical machine to be sure.

PinMame Rom Test

If anyone can assist to confirm this information, it would be greatly appreciated.

#56 49 days ago

Wow that is wild, that is exactly the same sound test as Zaccaria Pinball Champ! So now we know what they used for Thunder Man. If this is what pinmame is giving you, that is what the machine would give you too. The early gen2 games are emulated well, its not until the later gen2 games where they changed the sound board and the emulation is incomplete.

Quoted from dvs626:

Hey Thunder Man owners I'm hoping I can ask a favor, my contact in Italy is bench testing Thunder Man Audio at the moment and he suspects that there is a problem, but he is hoping to confirm this from another Thunder Man owner.
Have a watch of the below video which is a bench test of the audio for Thunder Man, as you can see, after the number 20 he believes the issues start.
There are some distorted voices, but more importantly, some tests are completely skipped. From 24 and 27, there is a jump, and the same thing happens from 34 and 40. He would like to know if other Thunder Man machines also behave in the same way when running this test.
Bench Test
I took the liberty of running the same test on my computer using the Thunder Man ROM using PinMame (See below) and it did appear to be different to the results he was getting on the bench test, but he would like confirmation from a physical machine to be sure.
PinMame Rom Test
If anyone can assist to confirm this information, it would be greatly appreciated.

2 weeks later
#57 34 days ago

To my fellow Thunder Man owners, I would like to do my part for the pinball community and provide some high-resolution scans taken from my Thunder Man.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Agv5xpyUp3HmpOwNWDYoUga5BMxFcw?e=fUnTNI

In the link provided you will find:
Plastics
Backglass

I have put a significant amount of time into the backglass, as you may already be aware from a previous post, (https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cracked-backglass-repair-options) my backglass was damaged in transit and was cracked in multiple places. I successfully scanned the backglass and have done the best I can to touch up the backglass as I believe it was back in the day. I believe it's a much better-quality scan than some of the other ones I have seen online, and I hope that this is helpful for other Thunder Man owners.

I have provided these scans freely to these two locations: (And may provide to others at a later stage)
http://www.zaccaria-pinball.com/
http://bgresto.com/ (In hope they will replace the discolored version they have for sale)

This is all about keeping these machines alive and in the best possible condition, so please feel free to use what you need, if you do happen to use the backglass all I ask is that if it's not coming from the 2 websites listed above, please credit my work (see credit.txt in my onedrive link)

Enjoy everyone! Merry Christmas and all the best for the new year 2023!

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