Worst part of this, pricing this at 9K now makes me feel like JJP games priced at 12K seem "justified".

If the base model, which seems in limbo, was priced at $7500, I think many of us might be able to brush off whatever monstrosities of creative direction are going on up top, and been more than satisfied with the pleasantries going on down below, where pinball matters most.

I’d be shocked if they are…doesn’t seem like there is much of a difference at all on the signature version to remotely justify the price.

I'm still waiting for gameplay, but I'm in the same camp. If they knocked $1k off each level....but wishful thinking. I know they have their defenders, and 'everyone else is doing it with prices' mode, but these guys aren't considered top tier either. It would have to blow me away for 9k.

Watched the trailer several more times... this came to mind

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200 is such a low number. some go overseas, some strong AP fans, some buyers who buy all CE/SLE etc.

I think this is a pretty easy sell-out.

It's the ball on the right flipper getting flipped and coming screaming back SDTM. Likely bounced off the center targets. Probably not the best clip for them to include in the video.

lmfao

This looks awesome, stupid, goofy, great.
I want one, but I ain't paying that much.

Oh well.

We need more info. Lets see the 3D backglass. Is it a real backglass or a translite? Does the Deluxe and LE have a real backglass? Lets see that thermos! Which model ships first??

Where, eh, is the marketing?
Happened to run across this on FB of all places cause one of the vendors was shilling for pre-orders.
Went to the American Pinball website and can literally find zero details on this release, granted I didn't spend a lot of time looking but sheesh...
The lack of promotion for a new title is startling. Are they affiliated with Homepin?
Is the vendor supposed to do all of the legwork these days?
No wonder a handful of the 'big boys' own the market share. you need decent marketing materials to make sales.....

Jesus Christ I haven't seen acting like that since Debbie does Dallas or Nailing Palin! I get why the comments are off in the trailer gona hafta miss me with that one, still want to play it tho!

The game's speaker panel is the player's control panel. The video clips (that a lot of you didn't like) will play on the center LCD panel in response to actions on the playfield, such as Queen Annoya ridiculing you after your ball drains. The deliberate overacting will fit in better in the flow of a game, as characters contact you through your control panel to direct what to shoot for or give feedback to the ball's actions. We all knew (or should have known) from the teaser of the four main actors (actors - not voice actors), that the video assets would be live actors filmed against a green screen background superimposed on artwork sets. Franchi's artwork is great and the playfield layout looks pretty good. We will see how well the video clips mesh with playfield action. Deluxe pricing is less than a Stern premium and includes anti-glare glass, shaker motor, light strips, and interior artblades. If the game sells okay there will probably be a cheaper classic (or standard) version without those extras. Will American Pinball still be around if the game is as big a flop as so many of you are declaring it (wanting it?) to be after seeing a few video clips?

No offense, but I'm beginning to think Steve is a bad luck charm.

I had confidence, foolishly, that he was a part of deeproot. Him headed here, and not saying, "whoah whoah whoah, let's pump the brakes on this shit!" isn't encouraging.

I just wish these companies had proper direction, along with better talent in specific positions, and a team leader that could guide a vision better than what we're currently seeing.

You're probably right.

But I'm just not in a place where I see a pinball costing over seven thousand dollars that I don't particularly like a major element of and think "well, it's a bargain, so oh well".

That's what you do with $1200 Gottliebs, a Raven or something. For that kind of money it's gotta be great, end of story.

I really wish the Deluxe model was powder coated. Odd choice to offer two Tank versions. And such a high price jump when you're only getting a signed apron, 3D Backglass, lunchbox and a banner.

That was what set AP apart, this does not look like a pinball machine.

So when are we getting gameplay?

I’m kind of digging this game. It’s by far the best I’ve seen out of AP. Bar is low sure and that video certainly should have focused more on pinball than the actors (seriously - how does no one from AP say something that is so obvious to you and I) BUT I like the creativity seen in the video and I appreciate the over the top 90s saga CD thing. I played it really slow and I like the rotating back and forth target with the cow, the diverter and some other touches that just look unique. I even like the way the tank looks - even though it’s not logical at all - either is having these things in the home so why start questioning now.

I love how the girl from MK3 is the villain and the art (for me) is really good. Really curious to see some gameplay.

Holy Hell! Game is a Drain Monster!

I couldn't justify the cost even if it was cheaper because I don't already own Jurassic Park, Deadpool or Foo Fighters and could easily get one of those NIB later this year. So whatever.

But it does suck that my favorite part of the design (the turquoise color) is not present on the 'only sensibly priced edition '.

Gameplay reveal at TPF during the AP seminar. Good information that should have been in the video…

I've played this (ages ago) it shoots really well and is fun. Nordman knows what he's doing with gameplay.

The video? Sigh. Yeah. If you're going to make a retro 50's sci-fi theme, and use custom live action to fill the LCD (smart idea if done well) then it HAS to fit the era you're reproducing.

As-is yes, it screams 1990's FMV games. Which is fine, if that's the theme of your game. But that's not the theme of this game. The video should be B&W, grainy, and have GOOD ACTING. That's something people overlook with bad movies (especially old stuff) The acting is usually pretty good, it's just the movie that's bad (or really boring) Even something like Robot Monster, the movie is a POS but the Monster's voice is very professional, the actors say their terrible lines very professionally, even the kid is a good kid actor. The movie itself is just dumb.

With this it's like they saw MST3k and thought "oh we can just do the spaceship part of the concept and that makes it good" which is exactly what Stern did with MST3-I mean Elvira HOH. But that doesn't work here because there isn't a modern camp "bookend" to the theme (MST3K/HOH), the material IS the sci-fi theme. So (modern) hooky labs and color footage doesn't cut it.

Several have mentioned the VHS filter. Also doesn't fit the 50's, but if this was cheesy 80's sci-fi like all the Corman Star Wars ripoffs (like Galaxy of Terror) then it would fit. Would have been a better idea since analog shit is all the rage with the Gen Z'ers.

This should look like Rocky Jones: Space Ranger but instead we got Sewer Shark.

Speaking of acting ,did anyone take a closer look at what CGC did to John and Uma ?

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+1 for the Sega CD reference...sadly, this was worse...womp.

Click on link below to vote up your enthusiasm for GTF today!

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/poll-lots-of-choices-which-is-best/page/4#post-7486449

This is where it currently sits.

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Do you have a kiss for Daddy?!

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I really think the daughter was saying if you make shots the girl in the video takes off clothing. Obviously it reads completely differently but I don’t think that was the intended way. I sure hope not at least.

So…… are they still making Sherlock Holmes?

Should have let Zach at FlipNOut work his editing magic for the reveal. But not sure he has enough years experience according to Dave Fix so must use camcorders instead.

American has always done actual backglasses, no translites - I'd expect that to be the same on GTF but can't confirm it.

Black Dynamite is a great example of how to do a modern comedy that is going for camp, poor production values, etc. as an homage to Blaxploitation movies

It’s a fantastic movie full of good bad acting, subtle production jokes like actors looking at boom mics, and was given a 70s era pass of grainy film and occasionally questionable audio.

I guess I’m saying people should watch that movie, and also please make it a pinball.

The human tornado!

From the flyer...

"Do your duties to save the ice cream"

I'm all for campy fun, but that's just stupid.

That’s great, but just makes the reveal video choices even more baffling.

The videos weren't post-processed enough to work. Video looked weirdly clean, and for example when the guy is talking into the mic, there's no mic narrowing of the sound spectrum - sounds like you're in the room with him. Similar problems with the guys in the spaceships. Colors were too saturated for a retro vibe. Dubstep music didn't fit the retro vibe. Just a ton of production issues that made the video part - the part people LEAST wanted to see - problematic. Needed a cinematographer, or at least someone cinematographer adjacent in charge. Also a colorist would have helped.

But none of that really mattered if the price was within expectations for what was delivered. People would have put up with the sloppy, detail-ignorant video production that completely missed the camp mark. The price was just the coup de grâce.

The modeling and overall terrain remind me of something akin to a PlayStation One remake of Atari's "Moon Patrol", which to my knowledge doesn't exist.

Biggest problem here is saving money on a lack of license, but then not getting talent, which exists in spades, to help bolster a stellar overall game package from Nordman/Franchi.

Compare the hype from the PF trailer, to this, and it's an automatic way to deflate enthusiasm/dollars, versus lock in on day one, which is what AP badly needs to do.

Frankly I wish they'd bring on a talented Art Director and, considering they're still actively making their earlier games, go back and revamp the LCD work there as well!

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Maybe greatwichjohn DID talk with David Fix recently and gave him the idea of the VHS porn feel for the trailer.

Pure genius!

I think just the regular version looks the best and I was very excited. But the signature pricing right after james bond 60th fiasco? Pinball companies think we must be suckers or something.

Been proving them right for 10 years straight.

Thing is, we're getting to the point where most of the people still alive don't give a shit about the 50's. Why does "campy sci-fi" always have to have a 50's vibe? Why not the 90s bad FMV schtick instead?

Many of the people who can now buy this game grew up in the 90s playing Night Trap and other hilariously bad FMV games... they even remade and re-released Night Trap a few years ago. I played some of those games back in the day and can definitely appreciate what American is going for. It's nice that pinball is slowly moving away from boomer themes... (see also: foo fighters)

Wait, that was Dolemite

Yeah that's why 1980's VHS sci-fi would probably have been better.

I’ll be shocked if they sell more than 20 SLE. $17.5k?! GTFO…you gotta reeeeally want this thing for keeps. Like Bond60, the “10k by Xmas” joke applies here.

This is a “wait & play, then buy the normal cabinet if you like it” kind of game.

500 > 200

Bond 60 is fantastic BTW

Where is the gameplay video? Did anything come out? Sorry I skimmed through the 75K posts here and didn't see it.

At least Sewer Shark had that Danny Devito clone. He was a pretty good actor.

I demand to be entertained!

False equivalency.
Bond literally will only have 500 max. No other variations. GTFO potentially can have unlimited units produced. SLE/LE is just useless bling. Dlx is the same game, all features under the glass are the same….and then there will be the Standard version as well.

Operator in the exact same boat here. I actually want to want to buy one of these, but they've just made it impossible to justify. The bizarre thing is that they're apparently planning a cheaper edition that doesn't have the invisiglass, shaker, etc, but that's coming out last? I guess they really don't want these games on location.