I am torn between the LE and the SE, I am personally low on my feeling for the upper PF which is the main difference.

LE

better lighting
better art
shaker
invisible glass

costs more
not sure about the upper PF (it seems like meh, reading some people say you just hit the ball either lock or to the bass ramp).

SE

costs a lot less
probably faster just the ramp (no upper PF)

worst light
worst art (imo)

Easy to get... shaker plus PDI glass would add ~$400 to the cost so it'll be $2350 cost to get the better art, better light and upper PF.

my point is sometimes I like both trim levels (could be happy with both) but can like the art on one or the features on the other.

I was getting SW comic and I really love the comic pro art a lot more but I loved the hyper loop shot on the premium and ended up getting SW premium.

with GnR it's the opposite that I like the art a lot more on the LE but (think) that I rather have the SE (no upper PF). I watch the streams and the upper PF doesn't seem that vital, like people say the ball is up there a few seconds and most of the streams I see there are so many balls in play or the upper PF shot is ignored.

what is the power chord rule?

thanks

has anyone seen any video of the SE posted?

Can someone tell me how the left ramp is qualified to make it shot up the upper PF?

Like how often is it a regular ramp and how often a ramp to the upper PF? What determines when it’s a normal ramp vs diverted to upper PF?

SE should flow and play faster

Looks great.

I think form the viewing angle is fine, as if we’re looking from above the stage the lower body is not as important as the upper body and face.

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On LE version there’s a target on upper PF says ‘Lights’. What is on the SE for that shot?

Someone said left ramp shot but I don’t see any insert for it.

This has been known literally since day one. The left ramp on the SE doesn't divert to the top lanes or right loop, it is just a ramp. Guess what that mean? the ball is always in play, maybe 1-2 seconds on the ramp and it's back at your flippers. No ball lock shot and shooting another ball from the shooter lane, just keep on playing. The ball is virtually locked like on Metallica pro.

I won't miss the upper PF (I don't think) but will miss the color changing hot rails (as you mentioned).

the SE will play faster (it literally can not play slower than the LE because there is no interruption from the main PF).

there has been endless arguments between people who own Met and TWD premium/ LE that their game is better than Met/TWD pro but there are plenty of people who love Met/TWD/GOT/SW/BKSOR/Maiden/JP/DP/GotG/etc.. pro and don't mind paying 30% less money for a very similar pinball machine that is just missing a few extra features

this is your opinion, but some might prefer the left ramp shot may be more satisfying because it brings the ball right back into play.

I hope you are right too. I could afford the LE but I have already 11 pins and that's a lot of money to be into games, much easier to add an $7K pin than nearly $10K pin (without selling anything).

I believe the fastness of the left ramp might be great with the MB heavy rules.

Balls are locked virtually, no power chord feature at all. Said there was no way for that to work with the SE. But like TWD is missing the walker bombs, you can still play without walker bombs will have to play without power chord rules..

SE is missing the stand up target for 'lights' which is on the upper PF not sure what they're doing with that?

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I think the SE can be a sneaky good seller for JJP.

Interesting, most likely JJP makes most profit on CE second most on LE and lowest profit on SE they’re probably hoping for the easy low hanging money, die hard fans to buy the LEs thus making more profits.

I find it funny how people claim LE is the only way to go (people saying you’re missing too much on the SE) those people have never played the SE so how can they be so sure?

I agree Buffalo was a rough showing. Didn’t get me excited.

Probably $500 more to make a LE.

This is why Tesla took forever to sell the low price Model 3. They made way more profit on a $50K Model 3.

90% or more the SE is the same game as the LE. A decal costs the same if it’s a LE or SE doesn’t matter. A shaker may sell for $100 but may only cost $10 for JJP.

The SE you get more for your money, 90% of a full GnR for 70% of the price.

$6750 is a great price for a JJP build game. I sold my Tron for $6700.

See this TWD premium loaded with mods was asking $6750

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/104215

It’s just a nice price maybe you can slip it by the wife without too much bother. But almost $10K for an LE that’s seriously long money (almost 2x Stern pro).

SE looks great, light show great. I love the 2 ramps rather than upper PF, still unsure about the gameplay/multi ball fever, my local arcade has an LE and will get AIQ so I will be able to play both and see which I prefer.

Don't care for the way EB can sometimes just happen (I'm sure it's qualified) but it looks like you are just shooting around and all the sudden an EB is dropped into play.

Yes could have been throw the lights, just doesn’t seem to be any fanfare or indication why. Just playing a ball and all the sudden another ball is thrown in. I’m just (to me) rather have more buildup.

I don’t buy pins because of the novelty. I’ve owned my Stern Potc for 14 years the novelty has been over for quite some time.

Maybe some people buy a pin because it’s the new flavor but not me. I could care less about the hype and novelty factor.

I’ll agree to that. I’m going to play GnR this weekend to see how it plays.

Initially I was blinded by the games presentation but the more I thought about it the more I realize I should be play before buying.

But the CE sold out in one day. It’s impossible to play first. Same with Rick and Morty.

I wish people could let it go (stop picking on the SE).

It’s not a competition where putting down the SE accomplished anything. I find (just imo) but upper PF games like GoT or BKSoR that I prefer the simpler and faster pro games sans upper PF and likely GnR will be similar where the SE (pro) is simple and faster than the LE/premium.

I read people putting down the SE, saying if you can’t afford the LE. Or the SE is missing way too much.

Why can’t someone buy an SE because they like it? Doesn’t mean they can’t afford an LE. I have tens of thousands dollars in pins pretty sure I can afford an LE but I might like the SE better or might like $2800 better for something else.

I think from moving my pins DI may weigh as much or more than Woz.

Spike 2 games are refreshingly light.