Quoted from wesman:

Man...that was a disappointing stream.
CE foul-ups, game orders backed up being shipped, playfields seemingly pooling, and a really underwhelming fairly barren SE being streamed have really taken the wind out of the sails for me, for this game.
These streams need to cap off at 30-60 minutes. The energy just fizzles, and this one in particular seemed really low energy.
The white hotrails lose so much via no color changing, and no spotlights, the entire concert atmosphere seems more like a wet thud than a hard rock smash that the LE brings.
Game seems stripped to near Stern Pro levels, though the guys streaming incessantly said otherwise, and how little of a difference there was, over and over and over again. Yeesh. Seriously guys?
Even though I really don't like the upper playfield much, removing it and the bass and guitar necks AND the spotlights and color hotrails remove nearly all of the underglass excitement.
If JJP was stripping so much, they clearly could have put more than that weird empty, raptor Stern type plastics up there along with Axl.
Wonka SE is a far, far fuller game, sadly.

Quoted from wesman:

These streams need to cap off at 30-60 minutes.

Quoted from Yelobird:

As you haven’t played it a suppose that’s your opinion. I actually surprisingly found the SE was rather well done and worthy of its price point. Do love the LE package myself but don’t have much bad to say about the SE or those considering it. As for the length and quality of the stream. It’s Pinball! We’re you expecting a theatrical performance? Lol. They do this for Fun to provide what everyone was asking for not an Emmy. Watch for 4 minutes or 40 that’s up to you. I sincerely appreciate players taking the time and cost out of their day to provide evaluation content. I’ll catch a Circus if I want to be Entertained. Watching pinball is not for everyone but it Does help assess a viable major purchase.

Quoted from chuckwurt:

Haha. I will never understand this. Just turn it off after 30 mins.

Quoted from wesman:

Man...that was a disappointing stream.
CE foul-ups, game orders backed up being shipped, playfields seemingly pooling, and a really underwhelming fairly barren SE being streamed have really taken the wind out of the sails for me, for this game.
These streams need to cap off at 30-60 minutes. The energy just fizzles, and this one in particular seemed really low energy.
The white hotrails lose so much via no color changing, and no spotlights, the entire concert atmosphere seems more like a wet thud than a hard rock smash that the LE brings.
Game seems stripped to near Stern Pro levels, though the guys streaming incessantly said otherwise, and how little of a difference there was, over and over and over again. Yeesh. Seriously guys?
Even though I really don't like the upper playfield much, removing it and the bass and guitar necks AND the spotlights and color hotrails remove nearly all of the underglass excitement.
If JJP was stripping so much, they clearly could have put more than that weird empty, raptor Stern type plastics up there along with Axl.
Wonka SE is a far, far fuller game, sadly.

Quoted from romulusx:

Wonka SE is a winner!

Quoted from wesman:

Man...that was a disappointing stream.
CE foul-ups, game orders backed up being shipped, playfields seemingly pooling, and a really underwhelming fairly barren SE being streamed have really taken the wind out of the sails for me, for this game.
These streams need to cap off at 30-60 minutes. The energy just fizzles, and this one in particular seemed really low energy.
The white hotrails lose so much via no color changing, and no spotlights, the entire concert atmosphere seems more like a wet thud than a hard rock smash that the LE brings.
Game seems stripped to near Stern Pro levels, though the guys streaming incessantly said otherwise, and how little of a difference there was, over and over and over again. Yeesh. Seriously guys?
Even though I really don't like the upper playfield much, removing it and the bass and guitar necks AND the spotlights and color hotrails remove nearly all of the underglass excitement.
If JJP was stripping so much, they clearly could have put more than that weird empty, raptor Stern type plastics up there along with Axl.
Wonka SE is a far, far fuller game, sadly.

Quoted from wesman:

I'm most tempted by that, value wise, more than anything currently out! Maybe a JP2 Pro too!

Quoted from pipes:

This is the first time you’re seeing JJP truly strip a game down like Stern does with their Pro’s. The concert feel is completely missing with the SE. Looks like it could pass for a Stern.

Quoted from Skyemont:

It’s still better than a Stern. JMO

Quoted from pipes:

This is the first time you’re seeing JJP truly strip a game down like Stern does with their Pro’s. The concert feel is completely missing with the SE. Looks like it could pass for a Stern.

Quoted from pipes:

This is the first time you’re seeing JJP truly strip a game down like Stern does with their Pro’s. The concert feel is completely missing with the SE. Looks like it could pass for a Stern.

Quoted from jandrea95:

No, this game looks NOTHING like a Stern. Not talking shit about Stern either, I love almost every Stern game ive played, but this game looks absolutely nothing like a Stern.
It feels like I am being biased, so ill say something negative. The flipper rubbers SUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. Literally breaking apart after 30 games. Titans en route.

Quoted from nicoy3k:

Could you share a couple of pics of the game?

Quoted from jandrea95:

No, this game looks NOTHING like a Stern. Not talking shit about Stern either, I love almost every Stern game ive played, but this game looks absolutely nothing like a Stern.
It feels like I am being biased, so ill say something negative. The flipper rubbers SUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. Literally breaking apart after 30 games. Titans en route.

Quoted from wesman:

Wonka SE is a far, far fuller game, sadly.

Quoted from jandrea95:

No, this game looks NOTHING like a Stern. Not talking shit about Stern either, I love almost every Stern game ive played, but this game looks absolutely nothing like a Stern.
It feels like I am being biased, so ill say something negative. The flipper rubbers SUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. Literally breaking apart after 30 games. Titans en route.

Quoted from Blindseer:

TBH i wish GnR was more like IM in creativity of music modes and rules but that's just a personal issue and not an operator one

Quoted from jandrea95:

No, this game looks NOTHING like a Stern. Not talking shit about Stern either, I love almost every Stern game ive played, but this game looks absolutely nothing like a Stern.
It feels like I am being biased, so ill say something negative. The flipper rubbers SUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. Literally breaking apart after 30 games. Titans en route.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

I think it was a phenomenal decision to do this music pin the way they did. Instrumental riffs, with some custom slash music, followed by the real thing. It means you won’t hear nearly ever song the game has to offer in one or two plays like Maiden, ACDC, Aerosmith, Beatles...pretty much all the music pins are shove as many songs in one play as you can.
The way they implemented GNR will give it much more variety than any other music pin.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

I think it was a phenomenal decision to do this music pin the way they did. Instrumental riffs, with some custom slash music, followed by the real thing. It means you won’t hear nearly ever song the game has to offer in one or two plays like Maiden, ACDC, Aerosmith, Beatles...pretty much all the music pins are shove as many songs in one play as you can.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

It means you won’t hear nearly ever song the game has to offer in one or two plays like Maiden, ACDC, Aerosmith, Beatles...pretty much all the music pins are shove as many songs in one play as you can.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

The way they implemented GNR will give it much more variety than any other music pin.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

I think it was a phenomenal decision to do this music pin the way they did. Instrumental riffs, with some custom slash music, followed by the real thing. It means you won’t hear nearly ever song the game has to offer in one or two plays like Maiden, ACDC, Aerosmith, Beatles...pretty much all the music pins are shove as many songs in one play as you can.
The way they implemented GNR will give it much more variety than any other music pin.

Quoted from nicoy3k:

Maiden isn’t a music pin, it’s a monster pin with a maiden sound track. Awesome game but apples oranges compared to GnR.

Quoted from Blindseer:

I agree but both are also share names based on their tours That being said If JJP can provide a way for me to switch the video feed to just show the concert animations I would be happy as they look amazing.
The average customer just wants to flip flippers to their favorite songs. I cant wait for JJP to implement the code for a player to just play a full song instead of three balls. Just give operators the option to select which songs are available to this mode as charging $1 plus for a 10 minute song wouldnt be ideal.

Quoted from RC_like_the_cola:

Maiden is actually based on the video game of the same name. I think they made a wise choice there. Going in, I only knew one tune in the game, Run to the Hills. While playing it, I actually grew to enjoy the music quite a bit and I really dig the different Eddies theme elements. Looking forward to playing a GNR at some point. Haven't really been playing location pin since COVID

Quoted from CaptainRedEye:

We are going to stream the SE again tonight at 6:00 pm (CDT) on the FlipNOut Pinball Twitch channel. Come back for a second look.

Quoted from nicoy3k:

Please get better sound and video quality this time

Quoted from CaptainRedEye:

We are going to stream the SE again tonight at 6:00 pm (CDT) on the FlipNOut Pinball Twitch channel. Come back for a second look.

Quoted from smokinhos:

Love GnR.. im not impressed with the SE. Its exactly what I expected at 3k less than the beautiful LE. Its meh.. no question, go LE. And I worry that when the light show fades and lack of real ball interaction sets in, it will be a really cool GnR jukebox requiring u too shoot at stuff to start a song versus putting a couple quarters in and selecting a song. I wanted this to be awesome.. but its a lot of lights, and nothing really new. Idk.. im sure its great, but I'm just not excited about it and fat axl. Not my GnR. Ill wait until when the next greatest pin of all time comes out and snag an LE for 8k because I'll still have to add one to the collection. Just can't jump on the bandwagon.

Quoted from smokinhos:

Love GnR.. im not impressed with the SE. Its exactly what I expected at 3k less than the beautiful LE. Its meh.. no question, go LE. And I worry that when the light show fades and lack of real ball interaction sets in, it will be a really cool GnR jukebox requiring u too shoot at stuff to start a song versus putting a couple quarters in and selecting a song. I wanted this to be awesome.. but its a lot of lights, and nothing really new. Idk.. im sure its great, but I'm just not excited about it and fat axl. Not my GnR. Ill wait until when the next greatest pin of all time comes out and snag an LE for 8k because I'll still have to add one to the collection. Just can't jump on the bandwagon.

Quoted from nicoy3k:

I actually fear the opposite... That once the initial wow factor of the beautiful upper playfield wears thin I’m going to start wishing I just had that left ramp all the time so I can rock out/flow out to the game. It happens in every game I’ve Played with a highly used ramp diverter...

Quoted from Sluggo39:

I want to play it and experience it, but I don’t necessarily need to own a $10,000 GNR juke box which is what I feel it’s going to be after the novelty wears off.

Quoted from nicoy3k:

Better than a 10,000 paper weight which is what every pinball machine is after the novelty wears off.

Quoted from Sluggo39:

Not really, I have all Stern premiums and none were close to $10k

Quoted from nicoy3k:

Better than a 10,000 paper weight which is what every pinball machine is after the novelty wears off.

Quoted from rai:

I don’t buy pins because of the novelty. I’ve owned my Stern Potc for 14 years the novelty has been over for quite some time.
Maybe some people buy a pin because it’s the new flavor but not me. I could care less about the hype and novelty factor.

Quoted from nicoy3k:

I agree, my point is that GnR is no more likely to "get old" than any other pin.

Quoted from rai:

I’ll agree to that. I’m going to play GnR this weekend to see how it plays.
Initially I was blinded by the games presentation but the more I thought about it the more I realize I should be play before buying.

Quoted from nicoy3k:

$7500 paper weight, good value.

Quoted from smokinhos:

If somehow you could get the flow of the SE with the look of the LE id be all in.

Quoted from Skyemont:

That goes with any pinball. You should always play it first. I just love GNR as a band so it was easy for me to buy this pin. Plus with the exclusive rights JJP has to do this pin, I knew it was going to be a great title. Along with Eric and Slash working side by side, easy choice!

Quoted from Skyemont:

My friend got his SE. Washers were installed.
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Quoted from Jaybird815:

Are SEs in stock anywhere?