It's gonna be a good time. I will be there.

Haha the irony of giving away a signed upper playfield during the SE stream...

SE looks great, light show great. I love the 2 ramps rather than upper PF, still unsure about the gameplay/multi ball fever, my local arcade has an LE and will get AIQ so I will be able to play both and see which I prefer.

Don't care for the way EB can sometimes just happen (I'm sure it's qualified) but it looks like you are just shooting around and all the sudden an EB is dropped into play.

SE looks like a really good game at that price. Great light show. Well done JJP!

Thirding the SE looking fantastic. Soft plunge still blegh but I am a much more into the game now. The guitar neck shot looks super fun, like reverse Deadpool katana ramp, and I don't recall seeing it play that nicely on the LE streams. Not sure this is NIB for me but definitely on the wishlist for someday unless we get releases from bands I prefer.

Also, I am coming around on the multiball. There are so many opportunities to add a ball when you drain that I think you can just chill and be a little less frenetic if you need to. I think I could actually use a game like this to get better at multiball on other machines (although the cradling penalty might say otherwise).

Only time I saw it happen during the stream is when they started Throw The Lights or did the add a ball during a song. The standard doesn’t have the powerchord rules in it so I don’t think it uses virtual locks, but I could be wrong.

It does. Just doesn’t do them for power chord.

Yes could have been throw the lights, just doesn’t seem to be any fanfare or indication why. Just playing a ball and all the sudden another ball is thrown in. I’m just (to me) rather have more buildup.

Uh, I was just goofing around with the guy neither one of us is the type to get offense over stupid stuff.

4 extra mini-multiballs come from different accomplishments unrelated to songs. Throw the lights is one of them and is 2-ball. Light the flames is another.

How is the pyro one started since there is no upper playfield? Just a number of left ramps to start?

I thought pyro was started spelling pyro with the target behind the slash disc for both versions?

Them whatever one is started from the upper playfield target. Haha

I really like how the GNR lanes are more playable on the SE. don’t know if I’d miss the upper pf features, locks, and power chord JP.

Throw the lights. I am not certain but it is definitely in the code on the SE.

I think I’ll be more than happy with a SE thankfully.

AIQ pro and this are at the top of my list.

Having played mine a few games now I can honestly say I feel silly for believing I would regret not having the rgb side rails, because I don’t.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m SURE they add something, but the SE in a dark arcade / basement is more than enough light show for anyone, it’s incredible. Actually, I now believe the all white lights add a kick ass concert feel.

I feel like I need to take my contacts out, because they feel dried out. It may be from something else... but the light shows are like the circus, in tents.

I'm glad to hear you are digging the SE. If we were going to buy one that would certainly be our pick.

Had to rewatch (the stream) on the big tv. I like what I saw.

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Glad to see that the lighting effects are still there. Cant wait to unbox ours at our arcade.

I was very impressed with the SE, I would love to put one at my local brewery. Looks like a great game

I agree about the side rails... are they just gimping that with code? It seems like they should be animated just like the RGB ones, otherwise they should sell the LE lights as animated and SE as static... maybe the code just isn’t complete in that regard? Hope so.... otherwise I’m not sure I would even call them “hot rails” on the SE

I put down a $1000 non refundable deposit thinking that the only difference was the color - as stated by JJP. It’s completely deceptive to not animate them like the LE version

Looking again I don’t care that they aren’t individually controlled, it’s just that the coding sucks right now for a lot of it. If you look at 3:28:55 you can see a better example of how it can be coded to look awesome (having the bars pulsate to the music). Like right now they don’t even have the bars fading on off for a lot of it. 3:30:55 is another example of it looking good.. coding issue

I understand that, I’m saying that I can live with non individually controlled leds as long as the coding for the bar is great

Trust me, in person you’ll never even remember rgb rails even exist. Light show is 10/10 regardless

I was completely sold on the LE until last nights stream. Now, I’m already trying to figure out what game I’m gonna get with the 3k I’ll save getting the standard.

IMO, a lot of the wow factor is completely lacking on the SE. I checked out an LE stream right after to compare and there’s such a huge difference between the two. If price isn’t an issue, I can’t image why anyone would take an SE over an LE.

I completely agree. You're dropping 7k already and not getting the full lightshow? You might not think white is boring when you first get the SE but a month later you're saying damn, I want the real lightshow and still dropped 7k? Absolute no brainer. LE all day.

I'm not sure the upper Playfield adds anything from the streams. Yeah it's cool LOOKING, but overall, $3K for cool looking and some lights is hella aggressive.

If there was no center scoop and the skill shot wasn't so disappointing, I'd be in on an SE easily.

You are going based off a stream. I thought Avengers IQ looked boring on stream but after purchasing one for my arcade and playing it I think its a fun shooter. I recommend playing one on location and then forming an opinion. Feel free to trek down to south texas to try ours when we get our SE

Many that have seen the LE rails IRL has said that they were more muted and not as big a focus point as videos make it seem. At the same time those that have played the SE say the light show is still mind blowing....yea, maybe you’re only getting 90% of the light show but it’s still incredible.

What the stream did show me is that the SE plays faster and smoother. Sorry but an upper playfield on a game that is so multi ball heavy sounds like a chore.

I have no interest in an LE, I’m only considering the SE because It’s the game that I think will play better. The fact that it’s under 7k is nice but not the primary factor for me. The LE just doesn’t interest me.

How about not wanting to replace a ramp with an upper playfield in a game that is so multiball heavy? If the entrance to the upper was behind the pops or something maybe that would be more compelling.. but the LE literally replaces the ramp return with the playfield. Seems like a flow killer and a chore in multi ball (which appears to be most of the game)x

Going into the SE stream the other night, I had already played the LE and really loved it despite the game not setup the greatest (weak flippers). After watching the SE stream I was all ready to downgrade my order to an SE, especially if it gets me a game sooner (no idea if it would to be honest). But, I thought the SE stream looked awesome! I really enjoyed the lighting effects of the white hot rails, and it seemed like the board was easier to read on what to shoot for. That, coupled with the faster game play and how you can play the GNR lanes better with the left ramp, i was all set to go SE.

However, I went to play GNRLE at the same location tonight and the operator (and my distributor) had tinkered with the flippers and power settings since the last time i was out there. It played way better! I had much more fun this time around, really enjoying the left ramp and upper playfield gameplay. Also, I’ve learned more about the risk/reward of the locks and power chord rule since last time I played and really enjoyed physical locks. Long story short (too late), decided to keep my LE order based on playing the LE tonight. I’m a little suspect to how this game will do long term, but that’s pretty much all games.

All that said, my distributor will have an SE setup to play next week so hopefully I can get some time on it.

In short, i think both versions will be awesome to have/own/play.

There’s a diverter. Code seems pretty good for it too, times where it goes up to the upper playfield, and other times it whips around. Plus, playing the upper playfield rules (power chord) during multiball is fun, you’re not always flailing but take 2 seconds to trap up and try to get a ball in the lock, then start flailing again. Good times.

People should stop comparing the different models. Sounds like a lot of guys have money issues. Get the model you can afford. All three models are great. This one has this and this one has that and I can save 2800 bucks. At least to me that sounds like you can’t afford the LE and you are trying to justify the difference. Just my thoughts. Carry on.

I know there is a diverter, just seems like you lose the ramp 75% of the time. Im not saying the LE is bad, just doesn’t appeal to me.

Possibly wrong here but when they showed the machine setup it Appears they were using those SPF 9000 Pinstadium lights on the playfield over the glass which I suspect really toned down the lighting effects which Is the primary function of this game. Not positive but that did look like the setup as they were sponsored..... This game has a Ton of light already and when it dims it explodes with feature lights.

Anyone with money issues shouldn't buy either version - haha

But seriously the SE does appear to be a nice option to have with the lower price point. After playing the LE, to say the lightshow with white went be missed is a stretch but hey go for it that makes sense to that individual.

The SE has a full light show. Having the game and seeing it (not on stream) I can say even if you could swap out the rails as a mod I wouldn’t even bother. Not after seeing it in person.

Thanks for that Jason. I’m pretty sure you’re the only person in this thread that has played both. Haha

Looking forward to early next year and maybe buying a used SE. I’m not getting aboard the clear coat complaining train buying NIB.

To paraphrase Gump, life is like a new-in-box JJP, never know what you’re gonna get.

I'm pretty sure he's not. Haha

That doesnt count, he cheated

I only had time to watch a little bit of the stream, so this is a useless opinion.

Damn, Jack’s timing sucks. I just finished setting my house up for winter. My new TZ is in the gameroom. I’ve done some “winter swaps” with friends to change up the lineup. AFM is running perfectly. And then Jack drops a great looking game that seems to be remarkably reasonably priced. So now I need to think about squeezing another game into the house? That’s gonna be a tough one.

Man...that was a disappointing stream.

CE foul-ups, game orders backed up being shipped, playfields seemingly pooling, and a really underwhelming fairly barren SE being streamed have really taken the wind out of the sails for me, for this game.

These streams need to cap off at 30-60 minutes. The energy just fizzles, and this one in particular seemed really low energy.

The white hotrails lose so much via no color changing, and no spotlights, the entire concert atmosphere seems more like a wet thud than a hard rock smash that the LE brings.

Game seems stripped to near Stern Pro levels, though the guys streaming incessantly said otherwise, and how little of a difference there was, over and over and over again. Yeesh. Seriously guys?

Even though I really don't like the upper playfield much, removing it and the bass and guitar necks AND the spotlights and color hotrails remove nearly all of the underglass excitement.

If JJP was stripping so much, they clearly could have put more than that weird empty, raptor Stern type plastics up there along with Axl.

Wonka SE is a far, far fuller game, sadly.