Man, I was wondering when *someone* would post this thread! Thanks Ice.

I can't believe that anyone who is on Pinside who got a notification would want to keep it quiet. They should be as excited as a kid on Christmas morning, and would want to tell anybody who might be interested. I.e., US!

Can you tell us more about the "dirty dozen"? Did Jack say that's how many of them are shipping this week?

If he is doing that, it would be the worst thing he could do if it ever got out. Kind of like what happened when he increased the price of LOTR LE on those who had pre-ordered it from him and told them if they posted about it on RGP he would pull the sale.

It is odd that for their first game they aren't celebrating the initial deliveries and making a fanfare

Couldn't agree more! Where is the fanfare? They should be making a huge deal out of this. Posting pics on their website of pins being shipped etc. Get people excited and talking about WOZ shipping. Why isn't that happening?

Who did that?

True. But the question is why this is the case?

Answer: because Stern gets ripped to shreds with every deficiency, especially with regard to incomplete code. Many WOZ buyers indicated in various WOZ threads that one reason that they bought WOZ was because it would have complete code, unlike Stern. When you add to that the fact that Jack said that he wouldn't release a pin with incomplete code, and it looks like he will, people are going to point out the hypocrisy. Rightly so, IMO.

Well that makes complete sense.

Couldn't agree more.

I'm shocked by this latest development.

Ice, you do know I was being sarcastic, right?

That's so funny!

I'm literally having a discussion with a friend via text right now about virtually the same exact thing that I did with my wife regarding a restored AFM. I just broke the news to her earlier this evening.

This was sent to your personal email or a private message here at Pinside?

Very bizarre stuff.

Well, I tried to time it the best I could. I'm getting a bonus from work, and we just got our tax refund, so I told her that I'm going to spend it on an AFM. Initial reaction was as you might expect, including "we don't have any more room", to which I replied "It's ok, I'm selling Demo Man". To my surprise, and without missing a beat, she said "AFM costs 4 times as much as Demo Man"!

I've got to stop telling her what pins are worth!

Of course I accidently on purpose forgot to tell her that this isn't going to be an average AFM.

And yes, thanks for the recognition of my crazy addiction.

I can't help but wonder if the word "irony" is fitting here?

Is being out $6500.00 to $7500.00 for a year or more with nothing to show for it worth being upset over?

I think the problem is that at this point in the game, many people are starting to believe that it is more than being overly optimistic, and people are wondering WTF is going on.

Saying that you are going to ship a new pin from a new pinball company by December 2011 (about a year after starting the business) was overly optimistic.

Subsequently saying you will have test pins on location by Memorial Day 2012 was more reasonable, if not still a bit optimistic.

Saying you will be shipping pins to customers by June or July 2012 was more reasonable, if not still a bit optimistic.

Subsequently saying pins will ship by Christmas 2012 (a year later than originally announced and two years after the company was formed) was reasonable.

Subsequently saying pins will ship by March 2013 is one or two delays too many for a lot of people.

Missing yet another shipping date (March 2013) for reasons largely unknown is getting to be a harder pill to swallow for even the most ardent JJP supporters.

At some point you have to wonder just how much longer this is going to take and if they even know what they are doing. Hell, it's pretty much a given that WOZ will ship with some of most incomplete code of any pin ever.

But I guess that's not anything that anyone should criticize. I know I never criticize Stern for shipping pins with incomplete code.

Yep.

It's also bad when you try to do the same thing with incomplete code.

Oh...wait..