Although it is super sucky that the game might ship with 40% code, I really think that it is for the best:

1. If JJP should go under, I'd rather have my incomplete game in my basement, than no game at all.

2. This lets JJP keep things moving production wise. This way he can have 800 games already shipped by Christmas when the code is done - rather than waiting for the code and THEN have to start building games next year.

3. If the flippers still are not strong enough, like they were in the Ohio show last month, we can start looking for a solution ourselves.

4. Let the modding begin!!!!!!!!!!!

You mean things aren't running smoothly since I quit paying attention to this mess? Huh. Who would have ever guessed? Wish someone would have been more prophetic about this stuff, like a year ago. *shrug*

I think maybe Jack backed himself into a corner with the games will be shipped in March, and now is shipping those dozen games to supporters who are less vocal/ more private and will not be part of a public lynching . Seems like many out there can't wait to rip into jjp . There will be problems, that Jack will fix , and the code updates will keep coming. The game is a visual wonder , and Keith will take care of game play.

My thoughts exactly - I bashed him in more then a few threads... I expect to be part of the last dirty dozen...

President of the United States of America? Any politician in office? I don't know, what?

Bet a few of those phone calls where to MN

Have you been watching General Hospital?

Ice I agree 100%. Jack has dug his own hole on WOZ a few times. If he had communicated with his buyers more forthrightly he would have many more owners understanding his dilemma's.

This seems to be another classic case if Jack would communicate a list of the order that games were ordered and ship in that order a lot of misunderstandings will be averted.

Ice you could contact him personally on this point.

Minnesota?

This guy must be stressed.. It looks like at the very least there will be some foots in mouths.

I hope you all get your games soon!

Rule #1 of Crisis Management: Get the bad news out early and honestly. People are forgiving and customers will respect you for doing so. It's when bad news is delayed or cryptically relayed that bad feelings are created.

Frankly, unless you have skin in the game, you really have no standing to complain or criticize. Expecting that on any pinball site, however, is not realistic. We all know that opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. And many here like to pass odorous gas.

There's a good deal of debate currently on the private forum and Jack has indicated some type of update is forthcoming. Better information will probably be revealed later this weekend.

He just went on vacation - very late game and he still goes on vacation... grumble at this point at least its been fun to talk about WOZ

yeah i was just poking fun at the MN guys a little. I hope the game ships soon myself. I want to see what all the fuss is about.

Human.

We all make mistakes.

It is what we do next that is important.

Jack is getting games out the door. Updates will come.

What's the problem ?

And anyone getting a WOZ wanting the software complete, just call Jack and ask. I'm sure others will gladly move up the list to get theirs earlier.

LTG : )

Wrong.

LTG : )

All will be forgotten about incomplete code if the Hobbit (and future pins) have complete code.

I'm going to have to give Sarah a visit!! Actually I'm heading there this weekend anyway. She sold my Twilight and I got some monies coming in...

Well that makes complete sense.

Pinside actually caused this double post with the lag.

Many were definitely mistakes only made worse by Jack's own stern-sucks-and-we-wont-make-the-same-mistakes statements. Announcing a machine was shipping last year was not a mistake IMO. Knowing where the machine is today I find it impossible to believe he actually thought anything would ship.

It would make more sense to deliver in NJ if that was the case. The builders and techs are in the main office in Lakewood, NJ.

I don't want my WOZ until the new workers have plenty of WOZ assembly experience and the code is solid. So I surely wouldn't want to be first in line.

None that I've heard of.

And I would suspect Jack and the ones getting games are quiet so they don't get strangers at their house wanting to play it.

I have heard pinheads talking about just going up to a hobbyists door and knocking and asking to play their pins.

Having a WOZ right now would be worse than winning the lottery.

LTG : )

It would at least be encouraging to those of us way down the list if they were actually being delivered.

I know this is what is being floated on the woz forums but I find this line of thinking to be ludicrous at best.

The President of the United States?

Also, JJP staff and family don't really count as customers in my book. The deliveries need to start to non-JJP affiliated customers.

This thread, comedy gold

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This is the classic case of wait for the shit storm then try to fix it. Why not just do it right the first time.

Who could have ever seen any possible trouble coming in the how games will be shipped with guys paid in full and waiting 2+ years? Common sense says put the list out first then ship in the proper order, Duh! Jack is a smart guy but better communication would go a long ways to keeping the natives from getting so restless.

Good one Lloyd. I had to read it twice but that one made me chuckle. Damn. My WoZ was just delivered and I just won 32 million dollars. Woe is me.....

Couldn't agree more.

I will feel a lot better once I hear others have received their games. Too many statements that games will ship for the past years at different times. If I don't see my game by the next Hobbit payment I will not continue with the Hobbit.

To be visionary you might actually have to be both. How much sales do you think Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Steve Jobb's had to do to get their technology and vision to the consumer. I'd say ALOT.

Ludicrous or not, I know of at least two customers I have that have done this very thing. Show up at the door of a complete stranger and introduce themselves and ask to see/play their games.

LTG : )

Did they actually get in? Can't say I would let some stranger into my house that hadn't had the basic courtesy to at the very least contact me ahead of time.

"Sure, come on in... the games are in the basement... down in the pit... next to the lotion and the basket."

I also know of about 27 people who like to lie a lot. Doesn't make those rumors true, but still funny stories!

Do people even open the door for strangers at the door anymore? I know we do not most of the time.

In at least one case, yes. The home owner let the person in.

LTG : )

Jacks call to arms.

I do all the time. Most of the time people selling stuff and I like to be entertained by whatever they have. My favorite is the people trying to sell meat from the truck.

It seems nothing is what it seems

Games to ship Dec 2011

Production started March 2012

2013 shipments tomorrow to no one we know

Riiiight

Someone showing up to a house with a large collection just knocking on the door is somewhat believable. Crazy, but believable. A stranger showing up someone's house because of woz, nope. =)

Knee slapper. Good one Chuck.

You guys are funny. I waited 3 years to get my Sorcerer playfield rescreened. Man, imagine waiting 2 years for a pinball machine made from scratch?

It will ship when it ships. Deal with it. There are other things in the world that could use the attention that this whole thing is getting.

Nothing like waiting for the last day of the week to let us know what is going on. I really hope that we get some kind of solid answer tomorrow about when we will get our games.

I was really looking forward to hearing some great reviews from the first people to get their games. It's starting to look like we won't hear anything or see any home videos. This was supposed to be a celebratory type of week and now it seems it's one of secrecy. Looks like we may be in for ANOTHER let down. I hope I'm wrong.

Pappy