Geesh I hate that analogy. Pinball machines are meant to be played, not just looked at. Show me anyone who would rather drive an old C1 Corvette as a daily driver over a C6 or C7. Isn't going to happen. New cars drive and handle far superior over the classics.

On the other hand; "Good wine ages over time...".

It's hard to compare pinball to other goods, but the real debate here should about the fact it's totally insane to put an exact copy of the MMR on the market after 16 years of development for a stunning $8K [without proper R&D cost]!

"What if" they made a successor of the orginal -> same theme but completely new game? Medieval Madness 2?

Yes... what if...

I'll disagree. When it comes to cars I'd rather drive the C1 then a 6 or 7 any day. Classic cars are just that classics. Heck I'd rather drive a Model A then the latest hot rods that everyone is driving. How many ORIGINAL Model A's do you still see on the road?

John P. Dayhuff
Battle Creek, Mi.
269-979-3836

yeah, the cost of the machine, I think is a little high. I mean they do have to retool a few things, but it shouldn't be that high. If they go on to a new machine, it will not sell for 8k. I think MM is one of the only games they will be able to charge that much for.

You have to factor in the time it took for the Wizard to give him a brain.

.

Exactly.

.

Apparently not.

I'm afraid that if I even begin to understand this analogy my brain will explode.

I seriously am saving my money so I can buy the machines that people have to dump to buy mmr. They will be a ton of machines and they will be going at fire prices, I can't wait, it's going to be a buyers market! Ed

I totally agree, also people are acting like it so hard to duplicate a pinball for starters it's not like it' rare art, the cabinets and playfields are being made by the same co.who made them for Williams / Bally Churchill cabinet co. And Chicago gaming will do the rest they also did jobs for Williams and the rest is just steel,plastic,glass and electronics it will be made as good or better than the original it's not that hard to reverse engineer a 17 yr. old pin .I'm a mechanical engineer and company's do it all the time and often improve the final product.

I'd be all over the C1. not as fast, but a way cooler car.

Yes, original is screened.

john around here there are actually tons of the original model a's. I have even owned a few - they are actually everywhere - dam things never die - over 80 years old and still going - it's very good reading to learn how ford made these - all the parts he ordered had to be in specific wooden boxes - with screw holes in certain spots.

he then used the wood for floors and other parts of the model a - the guy was a way ahead of others - it's incredible what he did in the 20's

thanks ed

Do I buy a well used 16 year old MM for 15-20 Grand or a NIB MM for 8 Grand?
I chose to save my money and buy a NIB MM for 8 Grand.
Can't wait to get it. It will be my first NIB.

The people that are quitting the hobby over the announcement are being melodramatic, and I don't agree with that attitude.

I'm personally glad that people can afford a pin they thought they would never be able to afford, but it really is strange that those same people that I am happy for are smiling because a pin I happen to own is now worth less.

Both attitudes are equally repugnant.

I'm still considering whether I'll stay on the list or not but not for any of the reasons listed. I have concerns about the radically different electronics package and the incompatibility with common mods/add-ons such as color DMD. sure they claim they will offer it as a software upgrade but at what cost? We'll already have paid for the hardware.

Still in for now... not sure if I'll stay in...

Jaz

Exactly! I'm still excited about it. The only way I'll consider cancelling is if someone sells me a MMIE (Incandescent Edition) for less than 8k

I personally hope a whole ton of folks bail. Enough so that the whole standard edition run dies on the vine, then they can focus on CC and MB next.

I'm wondering if people pre-ordered, then canceled just so they have something to talk about on Pinside.

Happily still in and excited. Never had a nib classic that's rated number one by you pinside. I prefer the feel of my nineties pin especially the flippers not buzzing and feeling sort of cheap. Also happy to support a company who's owner seems to have a sense of humor even about criticism and was great to deal with. Also I doubt he would get bent out of shape when you ask for your money back.

Depending on how mm ends up being a winner or not I am probably in for number 2.

Standards killed it as others have mentioned. No rush to be a early adopter anymore. I still have my order in, but will probably cancel unless I can see/play the prototype before the cutoff date.

I picked up a really nice.condition orignal for 8k so i obviously bailed. Got a proven working version for same price as orignal. No brainer. Probably wouldve gone 9k on this title possibly. I didnt cancel until i bought this one though. It also came with a 4k afm

Ordered but dropped out . i already have a restored mm and just wanted to use the mmr as trade bait for hobbit but I'm at capacity so it didn't make sense. I was also going to do a side by side comparison with the two and let the lesser go. From the looks of the mmr, it would have been the one out the door.

yikes

Many kit car remakes are actually better performing the originals. More valuable or as rare? Nope. Better performance and better reliability? Yep.

Lets see, pre announcement mm was 12-15k and something I wouldn't buy at that price, now I can get a nib mmr for 8k? F yeah I'm still in!

Original BBB's had screened art work, remakes decals. Remakes tube dancer is a little smaller as they didn't have the original molds and copied one.

LTG : )

I am still in, no doubt. Since MM is "number one" surprised more people aren't in. Though I have always said MM can't be #1 forever

Not sure if you saw this or not from Lloyd:

"Original BBB's had screened art work, remakes decals. Remakes tube dancer is a little smaller as they didn't have the original molds and copied one.

LTG : )"

So no, they were not exact copies either.

I'm in and I'm still excited. I love the game. I don't have space for more than 2 or 3 machines so why not make 1 of them an MM ? Brand new out of a box? No brainer for me.

Thanks for the history lesson, LLoyd. Looks like decals are one more thing MMR & BBBR have in common. I'm fully confident the MMRs will be at least as good as the originals.

p.s. Whoever came up with the BBB tube dancer is genius. It's rigid plastic, and yet the dance moves look surprisingly natural.

I'm in for now until Stern announces Walking Dead or another music pin. I like MM but it's not my favorite for a long shot. I just like NIB lately

I hope lots of people drop out and the standards never get made thus a true le and I hopefully won't lose much if anything on it if I ever sell.

I can't wait to unpack mine, smell it, touch it and lick the clearcoated playfield.

Then I might have a game or two.

I would go with this option

I had a spot from day one for about 2 weeks then I let it go because MB is my grail pin and I would rather put the money towards an original or if by some chance they do an MB remake before I get an original. MM is a great game and one day hope to own one but had to put my game priorities in order.

A true LE would be 300 maybe 400 max. A thousand goes way beyond what a true LE really is...

I can't wait. It will be my first NIB as well. Im just happy I can have my last and only grail pin.

I dont think Ive agreed with a single thing youve ever said. This is just complete ignorance. A product sold out in three hours or so. I would consider that limited even though it sold more than the typical stern release. Perhaps it is a more complete product.

That's your problem... I can't save everyone!

You can't even save yourself.... certainly no chance with me.

Huge difference! MM was a full production game and thousands were made. BBB was never put into production by Capcom. Gene simply continued Capcom's original plans. Without IPB BBB would not even really exist. Just can't compare the two...

I was on the list, but backed out. After much thought, I decided these games won't be rare at all and although the price might hold at $7000, there is no way they go up or hold at $8000. There could always be a price increase, but my personal opinion is that people are done paying $7000-$8000 for games..........We will find this out next year. I am amazed at the games coming for sale right now, imagine what it will be like when people have to fork over $7000 for the remaining payment on MMR.

Initially I was told deposit due within one week or you lose your spot. So I decided pretty quick not to go for it and never sent payment. Now a month later I was asked if I was still in? I don't think that 1,000 have sold yet.

Exactly. If I can find one of those quaint vintage models in excellent condition for a fair price - gotta be sub $6k now - I'd consider passing on the NEW one.

And people care about this why?

some do, some don't... don't worry about it.

Wow, this is SO true. So many people talk so much shit on here. Wish I was closer! Bullshit, you don't have the means. People love to pretend they are just a few miles away or a small coincidence away from buying every machine available!

I think you can lump most (most being the key word, I'm sure there are exceptions) people who have canceled up to this point into 3 categories:

1.) Flippers hoping to make a ton of money that canceled due to the MM14 Standard announcement
2.) People who never really had the means to begin with
3.) People who could, but just jumped on the hype train.

If you REALLY wanted a new MM, and you were't doing it for greed, and you could swing it, there is no real reason to cancel. The deposits are still refundable and the bulk of the information hasn't been presented. Nobody knows if you'll have a chance to play it, or how many people will, or really any details. I guess my point is, if this is something you really wanted, there was no reason to cancel so early. Why wait for a standard if you might have had the option to play it or know someone who played the LE before committing?

So you backed out because you might lose some money on a resale down the line? Welcome to pinball pre-2011. You are supposed to lose money on a NIB pinball machine!!!!! People were living a crazy dream these past few years and didn't lose on certain titles.

A true LE is limited to a specified number. 2500 would be an LE. Would it rise in price due to forced scarcity? No. Is it an LE? Absolutely.