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Anyone here collect only prototypes/samples?


By MeNaCeFiRe

5 months ago



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#1 5 months ago

I’m picking up a proto Champions Pub this weekend. It’ll be my first B/W proto. I didn’t know if there were collectors that just collect this type of game? Is there any premium to them?

#2 5 months ago

Sometimes they can be worth more, but usually only if they are in nice condition, and if they show some of the earmarks of being a prototype, such as red boards or alternate artwork, or things like that.

Even more so if they contain features that were removed in production games.

#3 5 months ago

I don't know if there are any people that only collect those types of games, but maybe. I have a proto Scared Stiff, Cirqus Voltaire, Ticket-tac-Toe and sample Dirty Harry. Had a sample Jackbot; but the production one was much better due to the redesigned locks.

#4 5 months ago

I have a number of proto and sample games. For the williams to be a real proto type the underside lamp boards have to be red, not green. Usually only done on the first 10-30 games or so. Many people think they have a proto, but it is actually a sample.

These games are only worth more to the right person, or if the proto had a great feature that was not on the production.

On CP, it’s such a low production game anyway. I am not aware of any differences of a proto, other than the red lamp boards under the playfield.

If you look at the serial number decal, the last 4 digits on this game will be the number it was built. I would think it would have to be a number under 30 for sure.

#5 5 months ago

I once had a whitewood Star Ship Troopers.

I still have my Frankensteined X - Files
X Files white wood playfield in a Space Jam cabinet and a Independence Day head.

#6 5 months ago

I have no idea why people want to pay more money for these prototype games when you can buy a Beatles Diamond for 25k. To me buying the Beatles Diamond is like buying the Amazon stock at 10 bucks. Juz saying!

#7 5 months ago

I think the proto are interresting when there are significant differences. When i start collecting pinball, i had the possibility to buy a real proto totan for 1500 euros. It was not in great shape though and I didn’t know it was a proto. I though at first that the owner has changed parts with customs a.. 2 years later another one for sale at... 5000 euros and also in bad shape. Too expensive because at that time, same totan would sell for 2500 not more. If you were trying to sell it more than that, people were bithing at you saying you were gambling with pinball market. I ve paid a crazy price for my last totan (2nd one) and i sold my first one 2500 5 years ago... last, i was lucky to get a great deal on a cv proto with red board recently and was happy with this purshase. I mean buying a pin is a lot of money to put in something so i feel like it’s great that it’s a little collectable. Now i understand the other way to get the production too because only the game matters...

#8 5 months ago

Please share pic of your CP when you get it!

#9 5 months ago

Getting a game that is a different version of everyone else's has always been very important to me, I mean why be like everyone else? For instance I've see a zillion Charlies Angels solid state machines but I have yet to ever see another EM. version in person. Any time I can get the rare version of a game that I want in my collection you can bet that's what I'm going after.

John

#10 5 months ago

I’ve had a few over the years and have played a bunch.

The ones that I have had and sold are:
Sorcerer (sample)
TFTC (sample)
F-14 Tomcat (sample)

I still own:
SOF sample

All of the serial numbers on the above games were under 100.

#11 5 months ago

I have a CV HEP sample game. I guess the attraction for me is having a rare version of a popular A title. (200 made) In this case the differences between the sample and the final versions were profound. (skinny ringmaster, playfield artwork differences, the additional menagerie insert (under the ball). The prototype ringmaster voice was very strange and unappealing to me so I am very comfortable with the game play of the sample. I still believe that the prototypes should be worth more and highly collectible in good original condition.

#12 5 months ago

I don't collect Prototype Pinball machines or any for that matter, but am fortunate to have a X Serial number prototype Williams Indiana Jones in original condition, with very few plays.

#13 5 months ago
Quoted from WillSmuz8999:

I don't collect Prototype Pinball machines or any for that matter, but am fortunate to have a X Serial number prototype Williams Indiana Jones in original condition, with very few plays.

Indy proto! Great. Really collectible too. Here is the cv proto

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#14 5 months ago

And totan proto...

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#15 5 months ago

I try to collect diamond plate versions of games that had more regular production without

So far
Diner DP
Whirlwind DP
Banzai Run XR 7 both playfields
Not a DP game but rarer production version Fire Champagne

#16 5 months ago
Quoted from noitbe1:

Please share pic of your CP when you get it!

Here's a start

Will send more tomorrow morning

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#17 5 months ago
Quoted from MeNaCeFiRe:

Here's a start
Will send more tomorrow morning
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Great. From what I’ve seen for the wpc95 is that the proto have number inferior to 18 because it seems like It was the number of pins for this first production. Around 4 were used for Development and new changes and the others were sent to spécific places (called test games) as long as papers to fill to test the interest, check the overall mecanism in a real environment in order to make final changes. Proto can have also différences too between them. Great find!

#18 5 months ago

Some of my games are prototypes or early samples, which people should not confuse as they are not the same thing.
I only keep games that actually were completed with full artwork and functionality, or extra features.
A few of my examples are my STTNG, FT, DW, RS, and JM, which are mostly physical hardware differences, and software integrations.
No whitewoods.

#19 5 months ago
Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:

Some of my games are prototypes or early samples, which people should not confuse as they are not the same thing.
I only keep games that actually were completed with full artwork and functionality, or extra features.
A few of my examples are my STTNG, FT, DW, RS, and JM, which are mostly physical hardware differences, and software integrations.
No whitewoods.

Impressive. Did you shared pictures somewhere? What a great collection.

#20 5 months ago

I’m a fan.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/dirty-harry-number-0001

There are only a few games that I would want to spend the extra to have the proto version. I had my eye on a proto of another game, but didn’t get the coin stacked quick enough to nab it. My hope is to one day get another stab at it.

#21 5 months ago

I have a Getaway HS2 sample game with different cabinet and playfield artwork, and proto-type roms that make Super Charger mode a 2 ball multiball instead of a single ball mode. I haven't seen any others of these. Does anyone here have one or seen one?

#22 5 months ago

CP

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#23 5 months ago

Have had my fair share of samples. Proto's/samples may or may not be worth more. Sometimes they are a liability. Sometimes they have interesting features that never made it to production.

Al's Garage Band samples/protos have different setup to lock balls for multiball, problem is the code is restricted to earlier versions and its incomplete. FH with system 11 sound boards is another like this.

On my pinball magic I can run the latest code, but I have board and wiring differences. I have different opto boards. Maintaining it is a bit more of a headache, but there are 0 gameplay differences. Aside from the stainless hardware no one would notice.

Radical, no real difference unless you have the proto. It does have a cc'd pf and can be converted to a proto, but then you are stuck with the proto software.

Dr. Who, movind dalek topper was pretty sweet and made it worth a bit more.

Then there is the downside. I have seen a tmnt proto that was doa due to the roms going bad. It had a different mech setup in one corner and wouldn't run standard software. Have also seen a wwf with taf style magnets, that was also did for similar reasons.

#24 5 months ago

Who Dunnit

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#25 5 months ago

I had a Proto Who Dunnit with red light boards and all red boards in the backbox. Had different artwork on the playfield.

#26 5 months ago
Quoted from MeNaCeFiRe:

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Do you have pic of the main playfield? Do you know the differences with prod?

#27 5 months ago
Quoted from CaryCarmichael:

I’m a fan.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/dirty-harry-number-0001
There are only a few games that I would want to spend the extra to have the proto version. I had my eye on a proto of another game, but didn’t get the coin stacked quick enough to nab it. My hope is to one day get another stab at it.

Just saw your topic, what a great find. Also i did a similar check for the cv here is my link: post 12

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cirqus-voltaire-prototype-story-and-design-changes

It would be great to see the differences analysis for other pins as well. Maybe a dedicated topic would do it but i wonder if it’d brind enough people but who knows...

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