Anyone have a working Mad World?

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Anyone have a working Mad World?


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#1 76 days ago

Needing help with mine and would love some insight from someone with a working machine. Thank you!

#2 76 days ago

I can think of two people that could help.

wedgeheadjunkie and fireball2

Wedgehead is one of the prime stars of the Pacific Pinball Museum and got his working well. Fireball2 is currently working on my game. Both out here on the West Coast.

#3 76 days ago
Quoted from jbovenzi:

I can think of two people that could help.
wedgeheadjunkie and fireball2
Wedgehead is one of the prime stars of the Pacific Pinball Museum and got his working well. Fireball2 is currently working on my game. Both out here on the West Coast.

Thank you!

#4 76 days ago

What problem are you having?

#5 76 days ago
Quoted from HowardR:

What problem are you having?

Several haha would be best to be able to speak to someone

#6 76 days ago
Quoted from HowardR:

What problem are you having?

I guess big questions would be how many balls go in trough?

Can you lock more than 1 ball at a time in the ladder mech on the right side of playfield?

#7 76 days ago

From IPDB: https://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?any=mad+world&search=Search+Database&searchtype=quick#1504

Flippers (2), Pop bumpers (3), Mushroom bumpers (2), slingshots (2). Right-side "free ball alley". Multiball (2 ball; when the first ball is locked in the "free ball alley", a second ball is released into play; after several hits on the mushroom bumpers with the second ball, the captured ball is returned to the shooter lane).

5 Ball Game, so 5 should be loaded into trough.

#8 76 days ago
Quoted from jbovenzi:

From IPDB: https://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?any=mad+world&search=Search+Database&searchtype=quick#1504
Flippers (2), Pop bumpers (3), Mushroom bumpers (2), slingshots (2). Right-side "free ball alley". Multiball (2 ball; when the first ball is locked in the "free ball alley", a second ball is released into play; after several hits on the mushroom bumpers with the second ball, the captured ball is returned to the shooter lane).
5 Ball Game, so 5 should be loaded into trough.

Ok so right now regardless of if I have a ball locked or not two hits on the muchrooms activates the ladder coil. When that occurs another ball is released in the trough to the manual ball feeder. This doesn’t seem correct to me.

#9 76 days ago

I'm with you. I have one, and really have no idea how it's supposed to operate. I know you can capture a ball, and it will incrementally drop back into the shooter lane if you hit several mushroom bumpers. I only put two balls in my game, and the ball count doesn't increment. Maybe it should have five or six?

#10 76 days ago

5 does seem correct. But yeah poor documentation on this game makes it very hard to work on.

#11 76 days ago

Mine increments okay with two balls unless I lock a ball and then release it. If I do that it will not advance the ball again until I lock another ball, at which point it again begins advancing the balls.

#12 76 days ago

Here are the other 8 Mad World owners.
https://pinside.com/pinball/archive/mad-world/owners

#13 75 days ago

Also noticed last night that every time I hit two of the yellow lights to lower a ball in the ladder lock it also releases a ball in the trough. I’m starting to think there is potentially something wrong in my trough area

#14 74 days ago

I believe five is the correct number. I'll take a picture of my trough and post it next time I have the playfield up.

#15 74 days ago

I wanted to see how this game played, and found only 2 poor videos.....Perhaps when its running, you can share a vi....looks interesting!!!

#16 74 days ago

@fireball2 as I said, is working on my game here in California. He is trying to get it fully functional for the California Extreme show towards the end of the month. So perhaps we will learn more about how the multiball works when he is done.

I promise to take some video to help the thread!

#17 74 days ago

I am currently working on jbovenzi's Mad World. It does indeed open the lower ball gate to drop another ball into the trough when you lock a ball in the ball lane. It should not increment the ball count until you drain that ball. I THINK in a stock set up you are supposed load 2 balls. As far as hitting the 2 yellows and advancing the ball while releasing another ball...hmmm I don't know if this one does that. I will look.

HOWEVER... on IPDB there's a commenter who sez you can load 4 balls into the game (not 5, he says the game won't take that) and since the ball lane holds 3 balls, you can supposedly get a 4-ball multiball happening. I have not tried that yet, but I will tonight or tomorrow. Once I get this one working I will video it...or you can come to CAX to play it!

My question is what causes open ball lane light in the left loop to light? I think it's got a bad socket, so I can't get it to light just now, but it does occasionally open the ball lane. Does it alternate with the 1-9 alternator mech like the when-lit one at the top over the C does?

#18 74 days ago
Quoted from fireball2:

I am currently working on jbovenzi's Mad World.

I say load that thing up in the truck and I will order up a schematic and have it waiting when you get here.

#19 74 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

I say load that thing up in the truck and I will order up a schematic and have it waiting when you get here.

Mighty tempting offer Pard, but I ain't got it in my calendar to git down there before CAX. Oh yeah, I will be down yer way the weekend after tho... but mebbe mebbe the weekend of the 21 is mebbe mebbe...

Hold on, Cowboy... I gotta plan forming...If I don't get this sucker 100% by a week from Friday (20th), I might just take you up on that.

Im'a pm yew when I figger on a few things... Later today...

#20 74 days ago

I reached out to the recesses of my mind and remembered that 4 Million BC has a similar function. The "Tar Pit" could be the same functional mechanism.
(I don't know, I have never owned one nor played a fully working one...)

But it's a Bally EM (although seven years later.)

But this thread is on it: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/4-million-bc-tar-pit-alley-problem#post-4479197

And the operation manual for 4BC is here: https://www.ipdb.org/files/935/Bally_1971_Four_Million_B_C_Instruction_Manual.pdf

#21 74 days ago

Yep, if you look at the close up of the manual, the ladder mech is used in Capersville and Mad World!

Sometimes, I remember the strangest stuff...

#22 74 days ago

I had a Capersville and only one ball gets in the free ball alley. It moves down by hitting a mushroom bumper with the ball in play and finally sends it back into the shooter lane where you can plunge it to start a two ball multiball or leave it there to continue play after the ball that is already in play drains.

Of course with Capersville, there were also two kickout hole locks that could also start a two or three ball multiball with no ball in the alley (I think) and all these features carried over from player to player which unfortunately could create very unbalanced scoring in a multiplayer game.

#23 74 days ago

Thank you o-din!

I know that Pinball Molly also has a Capersville because I brokered the deal to get it from Santa Maria to her.

The mechanism has to be pretty close in function.

#24 74 days ago

Yeah It's been a while, but I'm thinking if you had a ball in the alley it disabled the other multiball and vice versa. I'm not sure though.

#25 74 days ago

From the very helpful Larry Z of PPM:

...here's my understanding of how Bally's 1964 "Mad World" is supposed to be set up and operate:

Since it is a 2-player game, there normally would be just 1 ball in the ball trough, NOT 5.
However, since this game has the "Free Ball" feature, it needs to operate via having 2 balls in the all trough, not just 1.

The game is designed with a "Free Ball Alley", which "traps" a ball in that alley, only 1 at a time.
The ball entering the "Free Ball Alley" can only enter when the "Free Ball Gate", towards the upper right side of the playfield, is open.

The "Free Ball Gate" can be opened in only 2 ways:

1. A, B, C and D are rollover lanes at the top of the playfield. Only Lane "C" can open the "Free Ball Gate" when it is lit and the ball rolls through it. I believe it is lit/unlit and alternates with either the 1 or 10-point stepper.
2. There is a rollover lane towards the upper left hand side of the playfield that also will open the "Free Ball Gate" when it is lit and made. Again, this alternates somehow -- not sure what causes it to be lit/unlit, but I think it's the 1 or 10-point stepper unit(s).
The 4 white rollover buttons towards the bottom half of the playfield may also control the "lit" or "unlit" "Free Ball Gate Open" feature, but I'm not absolutely sure about that.

Only once the "Free Ball Gate" is opened, can a ball then possibly enter the "Free Ball Alley", and will "lock" in the top position in the alley. There are 5 such locking positions in the alley. In order to advance the locked ball 1 step further down the alley at a time, a player must either hit 2 of the yellow mushroom bumpers. in the middle of the playfield, or else 1 yellow mushroom bumper and also roll through the rollover lane towards the right side of the middle of the playfield. There are 3 yellow lighted inserts that show this lit or unlit.

When that's done again, the "locked" ball in the alley will then step down one more position. Do that again, and the "locked" ball will advance down the alley and stop again.

When 2 more yellow mushroom bumpers and/or right rollover lane has been made/hit, the "locked" ball in the "Free Ball Alley" will then be released -- but NOT back into the playfield. Instead, the "locked" ball in the "Free Ball Alley" will be sent/diverted back into the ball shooter lane and the ball shooter plunger tip. The player can then shoot that ball again, hence a "free ball".

In other words, I don't believe this is a game designed with truly a "multi-ball" feature with multiple balls rolling around the playfield at once, like on "Star Jet". Instead, it's more like a game designed with just a "free" or "extra ball" feature, but only one can be earned/played at a time.

Also, it is a carryover feature, meaning your opponent or even the next random player can also be awarded the "locked" ball in the "Free Ball Alley" if it happens to be trapped/locked in the "Free Ball Alley" when the next player starts his/her next game, or if/when the next player either 1 or 2 achieves unlocking it.....

He's also going to see if the PPM warehouse has a copy of the manual when he's down there...

Yay Larry!

#26 74 days ago
Quoted from fireball2:

In other words, I don't believe this is a game designed with truly a "multi-ball" feature with multiple balls rolling around the playfield at once, like on "Star Jet". Instead, it's more like a game designed with just a "free" or "extra ball" feature, but only one can be earned/played at a time.

What's to keep you from going ahead and plunging the ball before the one already in play drains?

On Capersville the free ball in the shooter lane could be used either way.

#27 74 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

What's to keep you from going ahead and plunging the ball before the one already in play drains?

Nothing that I know of.

#28 74 days ago

I agree, Yay Larry!

#29 74 days ago
Quoted from fireball2:

From the very helpful Larry Z of PPM:
...here's my understanding of how Bally's 1964 "Mad World" is supposed to be set up and operate:
Since it is a 2-player game, there normally would be just 1 ball in the ball trough, NOT 5.
However, since this game has the "Free Ball" feature, it needs to operate via having 2 balls in the all trough, not just 1.
The game is designed with a "Free Ball Alley", which "traps" a ball in that alley, only 1 at a time.
The ball entering the "Free Ball Alley" can only enter when the "Free Ball Gate", towards the upper right side of the playfield, is open.
The "Free Ball Gate" can be opened in only 2 ways:
1. A, B, C and D are rollover lanes at the top of the playfield. Only Lane "C" can open the "Free Ball Gate" when it is lit and the ball rolls through it. I believe it is lit/unlit and alternates with either the 1 or 10-point stepper.
2. There is a rollover lane towards the upper left hand side of the playfield that also will open the "Free Ball Gate" when it is lit and made. Again, this alternates somehow -- not sure what causes it to be lit/unlit, but I think it's the 1 or 10-point stepper unit(s).
The 4 white rollover buttons towards the bottom half of the playfield may also control the "lit" or "unlit" "Free Ball Gate Open" feature, but I'm not absolutely sure about that.
Only once the "Free Ball Gate" is opened, can a ball then possibly enter the "Free Ball Alley", and will "lock" in the top position in the alley. There are 5 such locking positions in the alley. In order to advance the locked ball 1 step further down the alley at a time, a player must either hit 2 of the yellow mushroom bumpers. in the middle of the playfield, or else 1 yellow mushroom bumper and also roll through the rollover lane towards the right side of the middle of the playfield. There are 3 yellow lighted inserts that show this lit or unlit.
When that's done again, the "locked" ball in the alley will then step down one more position. Do that again, and the "locked" ball will advance down the alley and stop again.
When 2 more yellow mushroom bumpers and/or right rollover lane has been made/hit, the "locked" ball in the "Free Ball Alley" will then be released -- but NOT back into the playfield. Instead, the "locked" ball in the "Free Ball Alley" will be sent/diverted back into the ball shooter lane and the ball shooter plunger tip. The player can then shoot that ball again, hence a "free ball".
In other words, I don't believe this is a game designed with truly a "multi-ball" feature with multiple balls rolling around the playfield at once, like on "Star Jet". Instead, it's more like a game designed with just a "free" or "extra ball" feature, but only one can be earned/played at a time.
Also, it is a carryover feature, meaning your opponent or even the next random player can also be awarded the "locked" ball in the "Free Ball Alley" if it happens to be trapped/locked in the "Free Ball Alley" when the next player starts his/her next game, or if/when the next player either 1 or 2 achieves unlocking it.....
He's also going to see if the PPM warehouse has a copy of the manual when he's down there...
Yay Larry!

Thanks. I'm going to copy and print this, and put it in my game (which is not currently set up). It was pretty wrecked when I got it from Todd Tuckey, but the playfield is very nice. I did get it working, but the ball count unit doesn't seem to want to work properly. I did put two balls in the trough, and was able to trap and advance a ball in the "free ball alley", but something was still screwy about the ball count. I shelved it for now, and I would sell the game with it's existing issues.

#30 73 days ago

It’s fully working now! I will stream the game this coming week and update the thread with how it should function. There should only be two balls installed. You can only lock one. Thanks to several of you who offered assistance but especially bingopodcast and Michael from my local league who were the brains behind everything on this project. Played it for four hours straight last night.

#31 73 days ago

Tommy,

Thanks for the update, and glad to hear your "Mad World" is now functioning properly.
When you have a chance, please let us know what excactly triggers the "Opens Free Ball Gate" when lit feature.

The top "C" rollover lane and also the upper left side rollover lane will show that "Opens Free Ball Gate" as being either "lit" or "unlit", but not entirely sure what triggers each state.
I.e., is it the 1-point or 10-point stepper unit, or is it maybe the 4 white rollovers towards the bottom of the playfield that control that feature? Those don't seem to be labeled on the playfield as to their point values or function.

Looking forward to your posting of a video of the game in action, too.

Thanks a bunch, and enjoy the game!

Larry Z.
Oakland, CA

#32 73 days ago
Quoted from wedgeheadjunkie:

Tommy,
Thanks for the update, and glad to hear your "Mad World" is now functioning properly.
When you have a chance, please let us know what excactly triggers the "Opens Free Ball Gate" when lit feature.
The top "C" rollover lane and also the upper left side rollover lane will show that "Opens Free Ball Gate" as being either "lit" or "unlit", but not entirely sure what triggers each state.
I.e., is it the 1-point or 10-point stepper unit, or is it maybe the 4 white rollovers towards the bottom of the playfield that control that feature? Those don't seem to be labeled on the playfield as to their point values or function.
Looking forward to your posting of a video of the game in action, too.
Thanks a bunch, and enjoy the game!
Larry Z.
Oakland, CA

The exit switch from
The lock area should relight the C and upper left orbit shot to reopen gate. This reinforces that you can only lock one ball which seems to be correct.

#33 73 days ago

Tommy,

OK, thanks. That makes sense.
Any idea as to the scoring values of the 4 white rollovers near the bottom of the playfield? They don't appear to be marked as to their respective point values, or what their function overall, if any, is.
I seem to recall that they score "1 point", but not entirely sure about that.

Thanks,

Larry Z.

#34 73 days ago

I think the intent was to start the game with no balls in the ladder, the free ball relay manually latched (card under playfield describes this part) and two balls in the trough. Then, the game starts with the top and side red “open gates” lights lit. When you hit either the C or left side rollover, the gate relay is energized. This opens the gate. When the ball enters the gate and hits the top alley rollover, the free ball latch coil energizes, unlatching the free ball coil, turning off the two red lights, closes the gate, kicks out another ball. Free ball relay will not energize & latch until the bottom alley rollover switch is made.

Someone mentioned starting with five balls in the game. I can only interpret this as 3 in the ladder and 2 in the trough. The message was a bit ambiguous and the game does not work properly with 5 in the trough. 3 & 2 doesn’t seem correct as you would start getting balls out of the ladder without having to open or enter the gate.

#35 73 days ago
Quoted from wedgeheadjunkie:

Tommy,
OK, thanks. That makes sense.
Any idea as to the scoring values of the 4 white rollovers near the bottom of the playfield? They don't appear to be marked as to their respective point values, or what their function overall, if any, is.
I seem to recall that they score "1 point", but not entirely sure about that.
Thanks,
Larry Z.

Pretty sure those are only 1 point rollovers that also step up the match disc. Schematic is a bit smudged in that part

#36 73 days ago

Clay's VFW has a Mad World.
When i played his, only one ball can go thru the gate to the ladder, gate closes behind
and will not open again until captured ball has worked its way down the ladder
and the player then has to work to activate the top gate again, after any captured ball has been released.
Captured Ball is lowered down thru the ladder by hitting the appropriate yellow mushroom bumpers
and/or rolling over the designated "when lit" lane;
(i.e. yellow insert lights associated with those mushroom bumpers and rollover lane).

#37 72 days ago

Thanks everybody for the detective work! Based on the current description of gameplay, I think Jimmy's MW is pretty much working correctly...BUT...I did notice something while I was experimenting and mjalexan mentioned it in passing:

Quoted from mjalexan:

the free ball relay manually latched (card under playfield describes this part)

I noticed that, in the course of trying to figure out how things lit and opened and suchlike, I would occasionally have to latch the free ball relay to get stuff to light. Obviously there is no longer a card under this playfield, so what does it say? When I first set up the game (like at CAX in 2 weeks!), do I have to latch that relay by hand when I load the balls and turn it on? Just that one time, right?

Everything else seems ok, although like jrpinball I am sometimes having ball count issues. But I think it might be because I have an extra ball in the machine. I will see tonight.

Thanks again everybody!

#38 72 days ago
Quoted from fireball2:

Thanks everybody for the detective work! Based on the current description of gameplay, I think Jimmy's MW is pretty much working correctly...BUT...I did notice something while I was experimenting and mjalexan mentioned it in passing:

I noticed that, in the course of trying to figure out how things lit and opened and suchlike, I would occasionally have to latch the free ball relay to get stuff to light. Obviously there is no longer a card under this playfield, so what does it say? When I first set up the game (like at CAX in 2 weeks!), do I have to latch that relay by hand when I load the balls and turn it on? Just that one time, right?
Everything else seems ok, although like jrpinball I am sometimes having ball count issues. But I think it might be because I have an extra ball in the machine. I will see tonight.
Thanks again everybody!

You got it, both balls in trough, latch the relay, start game. after that you shouldn’t have to mess with it.From memory the card says “if a ball is not in the alley ladder, relay must be latched when starting a game”.

The ball advance gets thrown off when there are more than two balls in the game. Does your 2nd ball gate (closest to plunger) coil get stuck on most of the time? That’s because there’s a ball sitting on both trough switches 1 & 2.

#39 72 days ago
Quoted from mjalexan:

Does your 2nd ball gate (closest to plunger) coil get stuck on most of the time? That’s because there’s a ball sitting on both trough switches 1 & 2.

Thank you sir! I think that's exactly what was happening. And then the ball count unit wouldn't advance. That's what I get for believing random dudes on ipdb. I am thinking that when I go out to check this, you will have hit the nail on the head!

Yo jbovenzi: Looks like she's gonna be ready for CAX!

#40 72 days ago

The thing I like about this thread is that several people benefited from it! A clear case of teamwork going on here.

Thanks to everyone that contributed so that we could get at least four games up and going! And thanks to everyone that helped me score a better game out of it!

#41 71 days ago

Ok, I think I have a fully working example of Mad World. mjalexan is completely correct about how the "multiball" is supposed to work. Latch the relay, 2 balls in trough, game starts with open ball gate lights lit. Open the gate, they go off and they don't come on again until a captured ball works its way back to the shooter lane. Now you can plunge that ball and have a 2 ball "multiball" going, but there's no scoring advantage; in fact it inhibits shooting. It's like plunging all 5 balls on an old 60's em. So since the lights come back on once that ball is released, your best bet is to lock the new ball, plunge, work the locked ball down the ladder, and repeat, hopefully forever on one ball count.

In answer to Larry's question, the 4 white rollovers are just one-pointers, but since the 1-9 and the alternator unit are the same thing, they alternate stuff like the outlane specials and the pops.

Speaking of the pops... they seem to have their own ruleset, so to speak. The pops have an entire stepper unit to themselves. It looks like the alternator turns whatever pops are lit on and off, but hitting a lit pop moves the stepper and eventually another pop will light, and then the third. I think they will still cycle off and on with the alternator, but I am still experimenting. mjalexan, am I close?

This is obviously one of those where it's best as a 2 player, since the ball ladder is a carryover feature.

Thanks again all! See you at CAX!

#43 71 days ago

So you have 3 video cameras in addition to both of your cellphones?

#44 71 days ago

Great information. Hopefully this will help me get mine working properly. It'll have to wait for now though, as I have several other pin projects going on in order to get ready for the next show. Thanks to everyone who contributed vital information to this thread.

#45 71 days ago

Uploaded it to YouTube as well. There does seem to be sometimes when I lock a ball the shoot again light comes on and others when it does not, regardless the other ball is released to the manual plunger. Not sure if I just have flakey light or some other issue but otherwise I think we are playing great. Any one else has questions on it or if your in the area and wanna come play it sometime just let me know

#46 71 days ago
Quoted from HowardR:

So you have 3 video cameras in addition to both of your cellphones?

Yeah I was running a 3 camera right for the stream. I have 5 cameras if ever needed. The cell phone allows me to watch the stream chat and see if anyone has questions on the game or anything.

#47 71 days ago

Thanks for the Video.....Fun Game!!!

Needs more Cowbell, though!

#48 71 days ago

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#49 71 days ago

Enjoyed the stream (post live)
Isn't always the case that the Women come home
and break up the fun with pinball. ha ha
Noticed that sometimes when you rolled over the C lane (lit or not),
it did not score any points.
Also wondering if the 1pt rollover button arc above the flippers
are supposed to be lit from underneath or not?
Would have been a nice play score feature touch
if they lit for 10pts with each corresponding top lane (ABCD) rollover lane.
More weiner dog next time.

#50 71 days ago
Quoted from pinwiztom:

Enjoyed the stream (post live)
Isn't always the case that the Women come home
and break up the fun with pinball. ha ha
Noticed that sometimes when you rolled over the C lane (lit or not),
it did not score any points.
Also wondering if the 1pt rollover button arc above the flippers
are supposed to be lit from underneath or not?
Would have been a nice play score feature touch
if they lit for 10pts with each corresponding top lane (ABCD) rollover lane.
More weiner dog next time.

I thought I noticed that on the C but then it was scoring again. I’ll check the switch and see if it needs an adjustment. The game is very fun. Hope to use it in a tournament next week.

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