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Anyone else hear that LOTR was the next Vault?

By Benepinballs

9 years ago


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#433 9 years ago
Quoted from Kcpinballfan:

Well we're both right, they were meant to make money for operators and be played by us, without us, no money. Losing money on a game right when it is shipped brand new is no different than damn near any other product out there. I think Teekee got used to flipping games for thousands without any extra work and now the market is coming back to earth and to him we are all idiots for buying remakes of games we love.
Also that used to be what games were made for (the operators) but that was 10 years ago, now they have to deal with the home market so the definition has changed a bit and thats why manufacturers target home buyers and ops.

Excellent post. I am basically opposed to remakes because I think it's lazy and that it ultimately will hurt the manufacturers. The only reason why people spend between $4500 (pro) or 8K (LE) for a pin is because although it will most likely drop some, it will probably not drop thousands. With the exception of the few super rich pinheads out there, no one can lose thousands on a pinball machine. That's what remakes are going to cause to happen and that will cause people to take pause on future NIB purchases.

On the other hand, flippers like Teekee hate remakes too for the reasons that you stated very well. And if remakes reduce flipping, it's hard to be opposed to them.

#441 9 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

I just think this is fundamentally wrong for many pinheads....
I don't spend 4-8K on pinball based on some internal calculation of depreciation...
I know its been said before, but you never lose a penny on a machine unless you sell it.
I probably lost $2K-$3K ONE MINUTE after I took ownership of my last car... oh no!!! I didnt care, not becuase Im "super rich" (Im not), but because I bought that car to DRIVE. I buy pinball to play pinball.
So maybe im in the minority, but your statement inferred EVERYONE but the super-rich are infatuated with resale value- thats not true.

Fair enough, but the thing that has supported the high initial price (NIB) of pinball machines is the expectation that it would not drop several thousand after the purchase. Take that assuredness away and it could be curtains for the pin companies, especially if they need to charge so much money to make money on a new pin.

A car is a bit different. Most people have to have one. And even with cars, you can go used and lose less (similar to a pin purchase, I suppose).

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