I'm usually on your side in most posts you make. But I don't think this is a 'derail' attempt. I figure that is what a forum is for, to bring up little salient points so we can discuss. While I don't think this part he mentions is going to be a major problem, I found it interesting to know there were original parts that perhaps could be stronger. And all I'm going to do with this info is tuck it into my head and IF someday my MMr flipper has problems because of this screw/bolt, I will remember it because of this 'discussion'. And maybe can't do anything about it because the old one won't be available anyway!
Mike in Kentucky

I see your point . . . and I raise you a point, and 'call'! Just kidding! I DO see what you mean about the main title of this thread.
Mike

Same boat here . . . with the JJP deal. Paid in full . . . and BROKE!

That's my thoughts too! I hope Jack has paid PPS and there are no delays!!!

Granted, the email may not have DEMANDED full payment, but it sure INFERRED you had BETTER make your payment.

I agree. The message seemed to give you no choice, but to pay up NOW! There was an implied message that if you didn't, you could be cut from the list and make room for someone else . . . maybe lose out completely.
Mike in Kentucky

First off, smartass . . . I wasn't 'complaining'. Good God! Can't we just talk on here without one of you 'judges' cranking up heat?!

EXACTLY! I know Jack. I have called him before. The wording of the message told me enough. I think Jack may have jumped the gun a little, thinking the pins would be popping out anytime.

Man! I wish I would have had those options! I would have happily paid in full by July to get free shipping. Good distributor. May we ask who it was? Might want to use this person next time.

Although I have paid in full to JJP, I don't think that will put me in front of anybody. I'll probably get mine based on what color combos they are running down the line. I've got the patience to wait. I waited 3 years for my WOZ!

Yeah, my thinking too. The only priority us early payers MAY get could be being moved to the head of the line in our respective trim color group. Still, I doubt it. Luck will probably be the only factor for me . . .

OMG! I just realized . . . this is the first time you and I have ever agreed on something!
We have come a long way. (See . . . I only used one "!". I really wanted to use THREE!)

Mike

Ha! Good one!

I hope this thread stays open. It gives us something to do while waiting . . .

Well said!
Mike

I can't believe we have had so much time to go by and still no messages letting us know the progress of the game.

Good one! I DO find it odd and slightly frustrating that weeks have gone by and we have not heard a peep out of Rick or a progress report. I think the least that can be done is just tell us where they stand on getting production going. I'm not rushing them or complaining, but I would think a 'courtesy' update would be nice.

labnip . . . now THAT was some real work! You have to appreciate the effort you put into that!

My Dad, TOOK my nickel!

"self-aggrandizement of yourselves"

Why did I have to pay for mine in JULY???!!!

Ho!!! I cannot BELIEVE you would say such a . . . truthful thing!!!

How much did you have to pay for them, if I may ask, or did he throw them in for free?

And if you can fix 'em, that means you are smarter than the original creator . . . which I knew you were!

I am not a troll! My comment to odin was just a compliment to him. There was nothing there knocking PPS or Rick. I paid in full for a MMr. I'M A CUSTOMER . . . NOT A TROLL! I feel I shouldn't have every word I put on here picked apart and made into a diatribe toward Rick. You make mountains out of mole hills. I think you folks who are so quick to put labels on people are the actual trolls!

I am still not over the coin mech issue, Rick.

You never offered a solution, but just a nebulous statement that your 'survey' said most of us wouldn't have need for them anyway. I was never surveyed. If it is just a $7 item (probably $4 to you), then why not agree to thrown them in to those of us who want them? Can't cost PPS THAT much! Plus, for the price I paid for the pin, I believe I have already BOUGHT them.

This apparently seems very trivial to you, but to me, if my pin comes without them, that's my last purchase from you.

I don't know you, never seen you, you may be a real nice person to associate with, but all I can evaluate is this 'cheap trick' and your sarcasm towards those of us who protested.

I am pretty damned old and own several businesses. My years of experience coupled with the image you create tells me you are not very appreciative of your customers. I can 'feel' it. So far, you have not proved me wrong. My conclusion of your personality controls my buying habits.

I paid in full back in July to JJP. I doubt if I will cancel. But I can't forget this. Your demeanor makes me believe you are not in control of this project but just the 'front man'. So, who is REALLY 'behind the curtain' running the show?

Mike in Kentucky

Don't shut up jfh! I think it is a legitimate question. And all those making snarly comments just give Rick fodder for not answering the question. He thinks he has support. I'd like to have this answer too!
And leave me alone! I don't want to get into a meaningless pissing contest with ANY of you!

jalpert . . . thanks for that great review of the pin. You covered most everything we would want to know about and your assessment sure sounds great!!!

Thanks for posting this.

Mike in Kentucky

Good for you! I go into shock every time I see these horrible grammar errors! That goes for the 'their' and 'there' too!

Funny as hell! And Odin, you never cease to amaze me with the pictures and 'info' you post! You are one of my favorite people to follow. I read all your posts on the EM threads.

I can't even see the tunnel!

Ha! I paid about the same time you did, about a million years ago . . . +/- a decade or two!

(See how restrained I was? I only used two exclamation marks in the above!!!!!!!!!)

Hear! Hear! That's a very accurate statement! I posed a question to him about why he couldn't understand that I paid for a fully working coin operated pin, and could he at least throw in a couple of mechs to those 'few' of us he thought were the only ones wanting them. I got no response, but saw denigrating replies and remarks that scoffed the subject. Like WE were the ignorant ones!

I know one thing . . . and I am so positive about this I'll kiss anyone's ass at the next Expo if I go back on my promise . . . I will NEVER . . . EVER buy anything from PPS or Bay Area again strictly because of the arrogance of Rick. At first, I gave him every break in the book, trying to put myself in his shoes. But when he made the assertion that he didn't know anyone buying a MMr who really WANTED coin mechs (or words to that effect) . . . derived by his own 'poll' or 'research', I knew then he was a hard-headed and shifty character. I call bullshit on this! For the money I paid, he should have PM'd me and said, "Hey . . . . okay, okay . . . I understand how bad you want the mechs. When your pin is produced I'm going to throw two mechs inside the cabinet, and if I am not there the day it ships, after you get it remind me and I'll put two of them in the mail to you."

You see . . . if his theory that NOBODY really wants 'em, then that little gesture that might cost him TEN BUCKS would have more than appeased me, and would have made me feel kind of special . . . a great PR move . . . thus leading to me buying from him again. When I see hard-headed and close-minded people like that (especially when he cannot assess his own PR blunders), I am finished! Don't want nothin' to do with 'em at all! Nada! A Dios! Every time I rethink this situation and read a jfh comment regarding the same, I get that much closer to pulling the plug on this. I'm one tiny hair thickness away from asking for a refund. Rick insults my intelligence . . . what little I've got left!

That's all folks!
Now . . . . leave me alone!

I paid for my pin in full MANY months ago. I think a lot of Jack and I don't want to ask him for a refund. I feel like that pulls the rug out from under him. Especially, since he wrote me a letter a long time ago thanking me for buying the pin through him. I'm going to live through this one sale and keep up MY end of the bargain. After that . . . . it's over.

And P. S. . . . I don't think your really wanted that kind of answer. I think you just wanted to prick my skin a bit and keep feeding fuel to the fire. Nice try.

ABSO-FUKING-LUTELY!!!

Couldn't have said it better myself! Any judge, looking at this with no bias, would have to say, "THIS is the SHITZ!!!! Give the buyers what is due to them! You can't charge 'em twice for the same parts!"

Ole buddy . . . . me and you are in the same boat! 'She' nearly shit a brick when I brought in my new Iron Man VE three weeks ago! If this MMr comes anytime soon, this may be the tipping point! The longer it takes the better for me. Will soften the blow. BUT . . . if she says it's either the pins or her, then I reckon she better start packin' . . .

I think this is going to happen to me too! I JUST got my Iron Man VE, and I got holy hell for buying that, and if MM shows up in the next week or two . . . well . . . I've got my "lies" prepared. These pins only cost $1,500 each . . . so far, she has believed this line when I've got a new pin. I hope she never accidentally sees the real prices of pins on the internet!!!

Strangely enough, the coin mech issue convinced me of what you just said. After reading his comments and his could care less attitude concerning the coin mechs, I came to the conclusion that if you had a problem with MMr, (that Lloyd can't help you with!) he would have a 'F-you attitude', or wouldn't answer your call at all.

So . . . if we pay the extra $100 or $300 for requesting a number does this mean we will get the coin mechs then?!

And that will show why those of us who bitched about the 'inexpensive' coin mechs being left off allows the door to be opened to other things being eliminated. It wasn't the money. It was give an inch, take a mile.

Same here! That was the clincher for me.

I agree.

I'm not going to ding him either, but talk about writing a vague post!

No. And I paid in full back in July. I was a first day order, and I got the gold trim.

Now, THAT was funny!!!

I would rather have the coin mechs sans SD cards.

Jack told me that approximately 40 pins were going down the line for his customers these next couple of weeks. He said mine was in that group. I have Sales Order #1208, if that will help you determine if you are near me in line. I too ordered early, the first day it was offered on his web site. I ordered gold trim, so I would think you are right in there with me.

That's been my fear since I 'discovered' Rick's abrasive personality, bullheadedness, and pomposity. I hope to God I don't have any major problems with my pin. I feel like I will be hung out to dry if I need help with my MMr from PPS/CGC. Lloyd could be our only salvation.
Mike in Kentucky

P.S. Why did I just get the distinct feeling that Rick pissed in my MMr as it came down the assembly line this week?

Damn straight! And I STILL want my coin mechs that I have bought and paid for!!!

Joe-mamma!

I got a call from JJP about 5 weeks ago saying my pin should ship in a "couple of weeks". It will soon be 3 sets of a couple of weeks.