Most states and local municipalities have some requirement that products are tested before they can be sold. While it isn't necessary to get UL specifically to test your product, you do need some nationally/internationally recognized laboratory to do this testing.

60 per day is Stern's max capacity based on the numbers they told abc7 Chicago a week ago... I'm not sure how many lines they run, but there is only one dedicated to MMR/PPS.... My guess is they will be able to produce a max of about 50 MMR per week... My bet is that 100 will be produced before Christmas and of those 50 will be delivered in time for Christmas... Just my guess but honestly who cares? If you've pre-ordered you know it won't be long now and you know it's gonna feel like Christmas the day it arrives!

I love how people are throwing these crazy coin mech prices around, when PPS made it clear that they are offering them for $7.00 each... Even if you assumed it was going to come with 2 ($14) you are still getting 99.825% of the value you thought you were getting for your $8000... If $14 means that much to you, you really have no business spending $8000 on a luxury good in the first place... Move on already

http://www.planetarypinball.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=PP&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PPS-09-8803

Did you see the star ship enterprise on the Star Trek pin from stern? Certainly their quality isn't quite past the level of toy.... But it's still just one part in a game so... That being said, quality is definitely on the upswing at stern and I applaud their role in keeping pinball alive, but still they make toys... RavellevaR™©

May 12?

This is not true. What he probably read was that MMR won't be shipped with coin mechs... You have to purchase them separately... This issue has been beaten to death earlier in the thread.

Lol because that is how people talk in real life... "You're the most specialist, nicest, kindest, caringest, lovingest person in the world..." (A) friends usually don't lie to your face, sometimes, but not often or they're just not friends, so pretty much anyone who has a friend "keeps their word" with their friends (b) that's funny people tell you that your good at holding grudges, not something people usually compliment on, and (c) you sure they didn't say "you're full of bullshit"?

People keep asking asinine questions of PPS, as if they are entitled to know the inner workings of their production line because they bought an $8k machine...

You're a clown...

You're still a clown... -moderated-

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(+/++++) < +... You = Dumb... Maybe ++++/-

Yes thats why when you say more or less it makes sense.... But when you say more or morrrrrre it just sounds like you have a jaw problem... Either way you don't make much sense

You can't see a MBr or AFMr selling for $496 LESS than MSRP of a Stern Mustang LE...

I really can't see them reducing price regardless of whether the next title is AFM, MB, or CC... From a Pinsider point of view, I get the big complaint. The value just isn't there when an original can be had for cheaper... But, from an average consumer, who knows little to nothing about pinball point of view, the $8k price may seem more reasonable.

First, you don't have to track down some shady guy who put an ad up on Craigslist to find the machine, you simply contact a distributor who will setup shipping to your front door. Second, you don't have to contact some tech who is going to fleece you anyway just for soldering a few wires, not to mention that he will probably offer you an exceptional deal of an extra $1k to install some LEDs. Third, we're talking about people who currently have zero machines, not 10-15, so they don't want to be dealing with a few tiny scratches in the cabinet art or a small chip in the playfield that can easily be covered with some Mylar. They want a shiny new machine in the game room for the kids to play without having to think about it.

So, the retired guy who wants to impress his grandkids or get a new toy for his lake house has two choices: 1) buy an original for $6k plus payout an extra $1-1.5k to some tech to fix it upand deal with the hassle of picking it up and waiting during the downtime or 2) pay $8k plus $500 shipping to have it delivered to his door in brand new condition. For the $500-$1000 difference we're talking about, I bet there are enough customers out their who are willing to go the latter route and call it a day. At the same time, these machines may not be for the diehard collectors who want an original and who have the skills/willingness to put in the work to make them perfect again.

I really don't see that many available and the ones that are nicely taken care of tend to ask for $8k+ so at that point it's a nicely taken care of old one, with a lot more risk from the perspective of someone who knows little about pinball, or a new one for about the same price that comes with a warranty. I agree that a Stern Pro would be a better deal but that won't get them a "top 10" pin, even if it's GOT.

Ok, I might have been a bit quick with the "average" part of it but I don't think it'd be that hard to find 1000-2000 willing to spend $8k on a toy. To some people that number is astronomical and to others its pocket change. I agree that a lot of MMRLE customers are pinsiders and that PPS/CGC hasn't reached the general public with their product, but if they can, I don't think it would be hard for them to sell these products at that price point. Let's face it, JJP demonstrated they could sell an untested product in WOZLE at almost a $10k price point to people who never considered owning a pinball machine before. If PPS/CGC can reach a similar consumer base with something heralded as a long running "Top 10" pin at an $8k price point, I'm sure they will get a lot of bites.

I just don't think we are going to see them drop prices and if they market their product appropriately I don't think they'll have to. Bottom line, to someone who has a lot of change to throw around, knows little about pinball, these are highly rated machines that don't have the risk that comes with buying "something old".

"How bout you sideburns?" Got me thinking of this one...

"You know, some of us will never, ever find true love, like, take for instance... me. And I'm pretty sure that guy right over there. And the lady with the sideburns. And basically everybody at table nine. But the worst part of all is that me, fatty, sideburns lady, and the mutants over at table nine will never, ever find a way to better the situation, because... apparently we have nothing to offer the opposite sex."

What other "head of a prominent company" responds to questions via online forum?

Meh, you only need 1000-2000 for it to be profitable and in the US alone there are literally hundreds of thousands of people (if not more) who can easily afford to spend $8k on a toy...The world over, we're talking about millions of people who could afford such toys... You think Forbes runs articles about how pinball machines "make the perfect gift" because this isn't the case?

Maybe you misunderstood. I responded to your "there are very few people willing to spend $8k on a toy" comment. There are thousands of people that piss away that much money in Vegas each weekend. I said, "you only need 1000-2000" to be profitable. The fact that PPS/CGC had about 1000 customers before production ever started just proves my point further. Let's see how many MMRs they sell in a year or two. I think they have a pretty solid business model and won't really miss you or your cronies monies.

I didn't say billionaires don't frequent online forums... I had to google what valve is as I'm sure most would... So I doubt many would consider it a "prominent company" either... But here's to being rich!