Just add it to the list of reasons why not to pre order.

Are there pics that I missed of the misaligned decals? Is it really that bad? Could someone post a pic/link?

If the rumors are true and this thing is pushed until March - I'm out.
If the first batch of games have misalignment issues and registration problems - I'm out.

I don't mean to be apocalyptic but - damn. I've supported Rick all through this process but the recent posts on the PP forums seem to be excuses and game flaws coming to light.

If your cabinet art is misaligned and your customers have waited a year+ for this game...you know what you do. You freaking print them again and take the hit. That's the right thing to do.

In fact, we should demand it. I'm not kidding.

Seems there are a lot of things that are puzzling. I can handle the wait, but delays upon delays are getting real old. Today is the day production is to begin. If not, Im real interested to hearing a full explanation of why not. The factory moving is old news and that should have been factored into the last announcement when production went from the 12th to today the 19th.

I really hope the person you spoke to was talking about something else. Rick said production was going to start last Monday. Then Doug says today. To delay another 6 to 8 weeks either means a major problem with the Stern line, some serious parts issues or done other massive failure of this non-traditional project management system PPS and CG are using.

Everyone is posting based off of secondhand information that has yet to be confirmed.....my God people relax already.

There are pics in the original MMR thread I think. I remember thinking that it wouldn't be too bad if I didn't know about it or notice it myself, but it would drive me crazy once I saw it because I would see it every time I looked at the game. Same with some of the playfield art alignment issues tgat were on some of the sample games.

what priority, there are separate lines.

There's second hand/misinformation on this thread, Say it isn't so ! Is this not Pinside?

its not a big deal, the point is the originals were off when screened. the screen either centers the start button or the shooter button on the originals. I doubt the decals are printed to size, they will need to be trimmed which means they can choose to center either one. This isn't a flaw from Rick, its they way they originally came out, no one paid attention to it for 17 years, now people are complaining. Heres a pic of mine.

Bro, you should really read the first 3295 posts to bring you up to speed. The move was mentioned and MMR will not run on the same assembly line as A stern machine..

The move has been mentioned hundreds of times.

Sorry I missed it. Thanks guys!!I read and i read but it doesn't always stick.Lots to take in.

I agree with you 100%. I really don't want to cancel, but I really don't want to be disappointed either. $8K is a lot of money. The recent news updates have made things worse for me.

The problem that I see with the artwork is that it was scanned from an existing cabinet. The artwork can only be placed on the cabinet one way with no room for adjustment (if printed to size). It's possible they will print the artwork "larger" so they can align as they see fit and then trim the edges. The problem that I have with that is the cabinet artwork is then larger than what you see on MM and also you are losing some of the artwork on each edge of the cabinet since it's being trimmed off.

Personally I'd rather have artwork that is a bit off center instead of artwork that is not to scale.

Rick confirmed that Stern will be QA'ing playfield registration and anything they don't consider acceptable will be sent back to CGC.

Will the color upgrade cost anything for LE customers? This is still something I wonder about. CGC didn't want to include $15 worth of coin mechs. Will they be so nice to provide a free upgrade after purchase?

jut like a decal set you buy for a game now it will be printed the correct size but there will be space around it to allow proper centering then trimming. The decal should be able to be moved when installed. If they are using the original art it will when moved center one of, but not both butttons. Nothing will be "lost" and cut off.

Calvin it sounds simple when you say it like that, but Rick basically all but said yesterday it is what it is and it will be off center (the start button hole was printed off center). Not a big deal in the scheme of things, but if it was as easy as sliding over the decal don't you think they would of just done that?

I think Hardware is correct with this statement:
"The artwork can only be placed on the cabinet one way with no room for adjustment (if printed to size)."

it will be off center, one of the 2 has to be if they are using the original art. There is no way they are going to print the decal the exact size of the panel being covered. if they did any cabinet cut variation would be left uncovered. There will be extra space around any decal being applied. It *can* be moved somewhat, depending on the dead space they leave. The only thing is the MMr people will whine that the shooter is off if it is moved to center the start button. But all originals were off at one of the buttons. I saw what Rick posted but Rick isn't building the cabs.

In other non-decal news, did production start today?

I would think that with all the interest there is, if it had started, we would have heard by now.

Noone knows for sure Odin........

Afternoone of after noone?

Why does Noone get to go first?

Because he ordered the gold trim. Duh!

"IF" production started this morning, you would think Rick or someone from his camp would have let folks know over on PPS forums that things were a go. Given the silence, I'm thinking, just like last week, they are scrambling for yet another BS excuse as to why another delay.

Trust me, I sincerely hope I'm wrong. But at this point why would anyone think any differently.

But does Noone like baby poo gold?

If it is delayed, it's time to fire up the ole "Blame Chicago Gaming" machine!

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For what it's worth, I called Rick about a half hour ago. He said "I have no idea" when I asked if they started today. He knew they were supposed to but didn't know if everything was given the ok to start.....

I'm sure production has started. The folks at PPS are just so busy deleting my posts from their board that they just haven't had time to update everyone with production status.

At least on Pinside, if a moderator removes a post, you get a message. Sure hope MMR owners don't have an problems or warranty issues with their games - I'm guessing those posts will get deleted faster than "where's our code?" questions on Stern's Facebook page.

Wow really???? "I have no idea" = Nope and I don't wanna face the backlash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea, wouldn't expect him to pay any attention to that, not like anybody is interested or anything. They wouldn't have known by Friday whether they needed to call in everyone for a new line to operate at Stern.

There are Rick's amazing project management credentials on display for all again.

He gets points for being honest and telling you he doesn't know, but loses way more by not knowing the answer to the primary question that he knew hundreds of his customers would have today.

If I was Rick I would be standing there in person when the 1st one came off the line, and at least be there the 1st week of production. If he is not there I would say production is not starting. Just my 2 cents.

that's truly amazing.

Rick's not making these. He's just the license holder. Doug at CGC is the point man on actually getting them made.

Well he's certainly selling them:
http://www.planetarypinball.com/product/product-name-rec6/

As are many other distros. So what does that mean?

I work in manufacturing. While it's may not run the same as pinball manufacturing, stakeholders usually have knowledge on when production will start.

If pinball manufacturing worked like consumer electronics, the manufacturer would be financially responsible for not hitting SOP targets. We can gripe about Chinese manufacturing, but these machines would've been on the assembly line a long time ago.

Rick is the face of MMR. He is more then selling them. I was at The Expo when it was announced. Who announced it? PPS is on the backglass! All I'm saying is if my name is on the machine, and I got as much as he has got invested in this project, and as many things has went wrong, I'm standing there the first week of production. I don't even send my best employee, I'm there in person to make sure things are right!

Mr. Personality is so helpful, thoughtful and nice.....

All this bitching about Rick and the game not getting made is going to make him not ever announce a game again until it is built and in a box ready to be shipped...

Rick did pass his projected date of this being ready - If youre dissatisfied with this call and get your money back or quit bitching..

Rick runs a business day to day and has much better things to worry about than being there for the first game coming off of the line.

I imagine Doug Duba (Chicago Gaming) has been @ Stern as needed.

Oh no......He's never going to announce a game again until it's ready?

The horror

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One can hope so.

you and your facts have not place here!

Sounds legit.

This is not a small business deal. I would say it is one of the biggest if not the biggest project PPS has taken on $8,000,000+. I'm not unhappy with Rick, I'm not even unhappy with the delays, I'm not even unhappy with the decals, offset playfield, or the dmd I can handle that no big deal. This is even my 1st time to comment about the project, but have read this every day since the 1st day it was announced. I've happily been in since day 1 and have been paid in full since July 7th, and I will not cancel my order even if it goes for another 6 months. All I'm saying! if it was me that was doing this project I would be there the 1st week and not trust anybody but myself. That's why I'm thinking it's not starting production today, but I might be wrong. O and by the way Rick has already said he is not going to take pre orders again and I think that is a very SMART move on his part!

Where is trilogybeer..........nevermind

If Rick legitimately has no idea whether production started today or not... oh dear. That is just the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

Next thing JJP will be unware when Hobbit is being produced... if the masses will eat up such weak sauce excuses, may as well keep giving them...