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i put banana yellow legs on my Q*bert's Quest pin, and it looks like part of the original design.
the sound of it is horrible, but once on, it's just a perfect fit.
also put on yellow rubber feet stoppers

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My sources say Whysnow's sources say they've sold 500 of the 250 available Predators. And don't even ask about the wait list, you can't count that high.

Yeah, preorders on Wayne's remake project had to buy the lh and rh ramp split steel pieces that were riveted to those ramps . We had to buy them from Marco or whomever had them and mail them to Wayne in Australia. Which I did. Never got my $20 back for those. Lol.

Well, one PRED paid in full here. But that's for another thread.

A lot of people doubted PPS, but they came through (it seems). I think this will be a great game and the UL listing will be much appreciated years from now, even though it caused a few months delay. I believe this will be a high quality game and the start of something great. From all indications, PPS did not skimp on quality like some other manufacturers. Time will tell, but I am looking forward to getting my MMR from pinballcompany.

Yeah nothing against Predator (at least not on my part) just tweaking Whysnow for the striking difference in his stance on the various issues that have arisen with these two preorders.

I don't think very many people doubted PPS would get this done and I think there was little doubt that MMR would be a success, especially after Roger gave it the thumbs up for WMS.

The delays were more likely caused by CG underestimating cycle times for parts of the production process, including what it would take to get UL approval. Pretty sure Rich said as much in a post somewhere.

Read back through some of the forum posts....people wanting their deposits back, etc.

So, 24th or **December 1st** on Sterns line, seems most likely at this point, given the current status. I'm leaning towards Dec.1st that way thanksgiving wouldn't get in the way. I would hope Gary closes the factory during thanksgiving I hate those businesses that stay open that day and avoid those stores.

Again does any one know if you purchased directly through PPS who they are using to ship the games and how much that's going to cost ? I'm asking because I bought mine directly from PPS and not a distributor.

Understood, hence my

It's all cool. Whysnow is a neverending plethora of good and bad entertainment.

Factory is moving. two to three week shutdown to move the equiptment. Don't forget that little tidbit.

That is supposed to happen in February. Lets hope this is done by then.

So, UL is done and it was stated by Rick that it would be 2 weeks +/- before the start of production. This one time, how nice would it be, if it was the rare - and not the +?

Could someone post a pict of the New MMr

I agree its always better to give a promise date at the long end of the expectation, and please people by coming in ahead of schedule.

That was the lead time for the parts.

That ship sailed long ago on this project.

And production. It's my understanding the only thing keeping production from happening are those parts that were stuck in UL. Once they have those, production should start.

Speaking of parts...I would imagine it make more sense for Stern to pump the games out on the current line ; or opposed to moving all the parts and use MMRLEs as a guinea pig at the newer factory. If these games get made at Sterns newer factory lots of speculation will form, frankly I don't care but ultimately I just want my game to be delivered with the highest quality yet I would at this point appreciate it to be expedited in any way possible.

No one can afford for MMr to come out anything less than perfect. It would be bad for Stern's reputation and Rick wont allow inferior production methods. They will do the right thing.

Many of those had no doubts about PPS, they just decided to buy something else in the meantime. The pinball world didn't stand still waiting for MMRs to be produced.

no pinball machine ever made has come off the line perfect. there will be little problems, guaranteed. let's not get our expectations out of line with reality.

Like original MMs that suddenly became affordable to more people.

I would imagine that PPS didnt stock pile transformers (the one that got UL "listed")....so would that mean he has to wait on the manufacturer for the new approved transformers to be made and shipped? Delivery couldnt come fast enough for me.

pretty sure they had the revised transformer ready to go but were waiting for UL approval to mass produce it and ship it to Stern.

Rick said a while ago that there would just be a week or two lead time to get the transformer production rolling and supplying the line.

o-din ... the mfg made a few of the updated transformers for UL. They got tested, then when UL passed then the full order got made. I have no clue otherwise what you are saying.

Rick perhaps you can chime in are your MMRLEs going on Sterns existing line or at the new location when they move ?!

They'll be running on the 'second' line they were setting up at the current facility when the expo tour went through. They're not going to wait until after February to start building them.

I thought I remembered reading somewhere that that these aren't going to be built out of the new facility.

So ... a) Stern has already setup a 2nd line at the current location, MMRs will run there and if Stern so decides they can also run them on the primary line, b) Stern is not moving for several months that I am aware of, c) When they do move, they be on whatever line(s) they create in the new factory ...

I think the answers were already known, so I'm trying to answer all of the other variations of the questions that could come up (again).

When is he first game expected to ship with the new manufacturing timeline of +|-
2 weeks for all parts to arrive?

Good luck with that, This is Pinside you know.

when Stern and CGC have everything ready to go ... they will go.

So no clue then?

Next year. Once December hits Stern shuts down. They inventory in Dec every year. Add the move and you think they are will to start a new line of games?

Don't know ...if there is money on the table most places work it out.
How many businesses now do a rolling inventory - meaning inventory as inventory is leaving at the same time. You simply adjust at the end of the day for items "sold" or used.
Doesn't seem too difficult to me. Also are the items truly Sterns or are the CCoins stuff anyway?

i've given way too many 'clues', so the only thing I cannot predict with certainty is the future, but I'm sure that everyone here knows that.

obviously you do not know what you are talking about.

When will "XXXXXXX XXXX" Remake be announced ? aka ... the next remake ?

No, its definitely.....XXXXXX XXXX XXXX (please)

my vote is for XXX XXXX XXX.

or... It could be "XXX XXXX XXX" OR.... "XXXXXX XXXXXX"

ironically enough that is a very "xxx" game

Why does anyone give a crap what he makes? I'm stoked a get a NIB of one of my grail machines that was looking more like it was going to be a $15K check if I wanted to get one remotely close to new about 8 months ago. He is gambling on something new and unique in its own right, and deserves to make money. Not like he's doing this in his garage, there are startup costs and money that has to be raised in order to bring this to reality. Some of you folks must have never owned a business and have no comprehension about RISK/REWARD. Thats what this is all about. Look it up.

Who is "he"?

You're so right, Stern has only been doing the December inventory for years. Can you have the project manager for MMR post from here out? 2nd quarter 14 ring a bell? Who doesn't know what they're talking about??

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Arrogant! I'm sure all the cancelations are a mystery also.