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Dangerous post this, cause can be easely seen as hating which its not, genuine question.
But look at all the parties involved in this remake. What if, lets say, only jjp or stern would have done this.
Could this than be a 6k euro pin instead of 8k?
Is that possible for future remakes?
Quoted from Plungemaster:Dangerous post this, cause can be easely seen as hating which its not, genuine question.
Could this than be a 6k euro pin instead of 8k?
Is that possible for future remakes?
I hope so, I would fork out another $8K for CC but other remakes I would pass.
A friend in LA gets a stainless trim MMR monday from automated ,hoping to get a call from twisted pins
Quoted from whitey:I hope so, I would fork out another $8K for CC but other remakes I would pass.
A friend in LA gets a stainless trim MMR monday from automated ,hoping to get a call from twisted pins
Post pics of the SS one!
Quoted from Pimp77:Post pics of the SS one!</blockquote
For sure , if the rails came off easy like a Stern I was going to chrome it but I'm not messing with the double back tape. But with a Williams chrome speaker grill it would look nice
1 week later
For what it's worth, I called Jersy Jack today to inquire on the status. Katie said that I am in the next batch of stainless steel and they will hopefully ship early next week...then again they said the same thing 2 weeks ago too....
Quoted from mizzou:For what it's worth, I called Jersy Jack today to inquire on the status. Katie said that I am in the next batch of stainless steel and they will hopefully ship early next week...then again they said the same thing 2 weeks ago too....
On another post I commented about Jack said ! Was hilarious and caught BS from pezpunk or whatever ,I hope you get your game soon but I personally don't believe anything that guy says.
Bristow, VA
Quoted from whitey:On another post I commented about Jack said ! Was hilarious and caught BS from pezpunk or whatever ,I hope you get your game soon but I personally don't believe anything that guy says.
All I did was give you one thumbs down for crapping on someone's excitement, and you can't stop posting about it. Toughen up, man.
There is a rumor started on the PPS forums that production is temporarily stopping due to a parts issue.
Quoted from viper001:There is a rumor started on the PPS forums that production is temporarily stopping due to a parts issue.
Quoted from viper001:There is a rumor started on the PPS forums that production is temporarily stopping due to a parts issue.
Pinball Mafia has tightened it's grip? Pay more points or MMR sleeps with the fishes.
Quoted from pudluther:sigh.
almost time to back on out of this one if that latest rumor is true.
If true, maybe it is time to start thinking about that.
I have been a supporter since day 1, but this is getting ridiculous. I could be actually playing new games today with the 8k that has been sitting in someones bank account for a year. This may be it for me. Will wait for confirmation that the rumor is true though.
Quoted from yancy:I've waited 18 years for an MM. I can wait a few more weeks. Or months. Impatient people probably shouldn't pre-order pinball machines.
You placed your order 18 years ago?
Holy cow dude, you *do* have patience!
Maybe ? The pinball gods above never wanted remakes ! I look at it this way ! Resale value is way up there ! The waiting factor added at least 20% 
Quoted from pezpunk:somewhere in the neighborhood of 250.
I guess less than that. They didn't get through the first batch, apparently due to quality issues and there's been very few updates after the line started again. My guess is about 200
Quoted from Kkuoppamaki:I guess less than that. They didn't get through the first batch, apparently due to quality issues and there's been very few updates after the line started again. My guess is about 200
Actual count on first run was 187 (read that on PPS I believe) before the break and this last run was mostly stainless. Pez is probably right near the mark with his count. I think I would switch to stainless if that would mean getting my machine quicker 
Quoted from lapean111:Well, I am officially out. Jumped to a WOZ. Will grab an MMr Standard when they are actually available to buy.
Huge thanks to Jack and Katie for keeping me in the loop, and making this painless.
Crap, your MMR to Woz just jumped in front of my Hobbit.. 
Sana'a
Quoted from TigerLaw:I am so out of the loop on this game; how many MMr's have actually shipped? Anyone know? Thanks.
one:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-medieval-madness-mmr
Sydney
Quoted from lapean111:Well, I am officially out. Jumped to a WOZ. Will grab an MMr Standard when they are actually available to buy.
Huge thanks to Jack and Katie for keeping me in the loop, and making this painless.
Ha...did exactly the same thing just before Xmas 2014. Had a deposit on MMr for almost 12 months, got sick of waiting and swapped my deposit over to a WOZ. Fantastic game, you'll love it. Looking like it will be Xmas 2015 before MMr finally makes it to Australia.
(Ended up with a nice original MM a couple of months later anyway 
)
Quoted from lapean111:Well, I am officially out. Jumped to a WOZ. Will grab an MMr Standard when they are actually available to buy.
Huge thanks to Jack and Katie for keeping me in the loop, and making this painless.
Jumped from one boondoggle to another.
Quoted from vicjw66:Jumped from one boondoggle to another.
The difference being, this "boondoggle" is over, and I can actually get a game by going with a WOZ. I keep seeing unboxings of MMr, but I was in day 1, paid last July, and still can't get a concrete answer as to when I could actually expect to receive my game. I would rather have a game to play with my 8k. Will grab an MMr Standard when I can order one, and actually have it shipped to me that week.
Quoted from lapean111:The difference being, this "boondoggle" is over, and I can actually get a game by going with a WOZ. I keep seeing unboxings of MMr, but I was in day 1, paid last July, and still can't get a concrete answer as to when I could actually expect to receive my game. I would rather have a game to play with my 8k. Will grab an MMr Standard when I can order one, and actually have it shipped to me that week.
I have WOZ in my line up at home and everyone loves it ! You won't be disappointed
Quoted from pezpunk:All I did was give you one thumbs down for crapping on someone's excitement, and you can't stop posting about it. Toughen up, man.
For what it's worth my game came last Thursday...not that I necessarily trusted what they said either
Quoted from lapean111:The difference being, this "boondoggle" is over, and I can actually get a game by going with a WOZ. I keep seeing unboxings of MMr, but I was in day 1, paid last July, and still can't get a concrete answer as to when I could actually expect to receive my game. I would rather have a game to play with my 8k. Will grab an MMr Standard when I can order one, and actually have it shipped to me that week.
i don't think you made a mistake by backing out...i'm pretty darn close to trying to sell my spot (and my badass topper - sigh) as well.
as for the standard edition...with as much trouble as they've had getting even 200 of the 1,000 out, does anybody else have any doubts about seeing standards being built?
Quoted from pudluther:as for the standard edition...with as much trouble as they've had getting even 200 of the 1,000 out, does anybody else have any doubts about seeing standards being built?
If that is the case and only 1,000 MMr get made, that would be the end of this entire remake era right there. If MM only has enough demand for 1,000 remade units no other game would top 300-400...in my opinion.
Quoted from pudluther:as for the standard edition...with as much trouble as they've had getting even 200 of the 1,000 out, does anybody else have any doubts about seeing standards being built?
For what reason would the games not get built? The factory is configured, they have delivered ~200 games already, the games are prepaid at this point so... I guess you're betting on Stern going bankrupt? Or CGC? I understand its been over a year for a number of people on this but I don't understand why the games won't eventually get built.
Quoted from Richthofen:For what reason would the games not get built? The factory is configured, they have delivered ~200 games already, the games are prepaid at this point so....
Standards won't get built if there is no demand for them. The LEs are being built at a far slower rate than PPS led everyone to believe, so it's reasonable to expect that some folks that were interested in MMR have changed their mind and moved on to something else, lessening the demand for not only LEs, but standards as well.
TigerLaw is correct with regard to remake demand - MMR was the "holy grail" remake title. If MMR ends up only selling 1000 games (or less), that will make it difficult for AFM/MB/CC/BBB or whatever comes next - not only because the demand for those games is less, but because people aren't going to wait a year plus for each remake, hoping the one they want is next. PPS/CGC needs to find a way to step it up or the "we have plans for 7-10 titles" will just be an interesting footnote in pinball history.
My opinon is that once this MMR mess is cleared up and games actually ship.That's the end of any more remakes. IMHO.....
Quoted from lapean111:Well, I am officially out. Jumped to a WOZ. Will grab an MMr Standard when they are actually available to buy.
Huge thanks to Jack and Katie for keeping me in the loop, and making this painless.
would it have been "painless" if you wanted a refund instead of a Woz?
Quoted from jfh:Standards won't get built if there is no demand for them. The LEs are being built at a far slower rate than PPS led everyone to believe, so it's reasonable to expect that some folks that were interested in MMR have changed their mind and moved on to something else, lessening the demand for not only LEs, but standards as well.
TigerLaw is correct with regard to remake demand - MMR was the "holy grail" remake title. If MMR ends up only selling 1000 games, that will make it difficult for AFM/MB/CC/BBB or whatever comes next - not only because the demand for those games is less, but because people aren't going to wait a year plus for each remake, hoping the one they want is next. PPS/CGC needs to find a way to step it up or the "we have plans for 7-10 titles" will just be an interesting footnote in pinball history.
I mean ops will have a shot at this, I'm sure they will put a few on route. If they're good earners there could be a need for standards. Hopefully my financial situation will allow me to get one of these games next year. I always thought a 'standard' would be just fine for me.
I think the holy grail for Stern would be to be able to have enough parts / etc on hand that they don't need to 'run' a game, but rather can make them on demand for a longer period of time. Not possible now but could be the future of pinball for them as titles seem to get a 'second wind' / life a year or so after release (See Iron Man / Avatar as titles like that).
Quoted from Richthofen:I think the holy grail for Stern would be to be able to have enough parts / etc on hand that they don't need to 'run' a game, but rather can make them on demand for a longer period of time.
That is never going to happen with the PPS remakes - Stern doesn't control if/when the games get run, that's a CGC contract decision and they are responsible for the related parts.
I'm so fed up with these constant delays and lack of communication, having money tied down for more than a year with no end in sight doesnt help either. I think I'm done with remakes and preorders
Quoted from Kkuoppamaki:I'm so fed up with these constant delays and lack of communication, having money tied down for more than a year with no end in sight doesnt help either. I think I'm done with remakes and preorders
Agree, after selling my first spot I grabbed a second with Stern rolling these out. Was ready to go all in on a series of remakes. Now I am out . I will take my MMr but that's it no interest in anymore of this.
Quoted from SilverBallz:would it have been "painless" if you wanted a refund instead of a Woz?
Yep, they said that wouldn't have been an issue either. Just may have taken a bit of time, as Jack has already sent all of the money to CGC.
Quoted from Richthofen:For what reason would the games not get built? The factory is configured, they have delivered ~200 games already, the games are prepaid at this point so... I guess you're betting on Stern going bankrupt? Or CGC? I understand its been over a year for a number of people on this but I don't understand why the games won't eventually get built.
Coming up on 2 years! JJPs release of WOZ in 3 years isn't looking so bad now. 2 years for a remake with STERN manufacturing. Making pinball machines is hard!
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