Hi all, on Saturday I picked up a United Shuffle Tempest. I spent most of yesterday and all of today cleaning the score reels. All 24 had that spring loaded lever that holds the reel I placed until the coil moves it. Some was so froze together that two of the the post broke lose in stead of the lever.

Anyways, All are freed up and working, but two players are not resetting to zero, I am looking for a little help with what to look for onm that.

and last off, flash scoring not working it just sits with 100, 300 light lit on the table.

Thanks in advance for any and all help

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Hi All,

I figured out the resetting issue, switch adjustments on these reels fixed that issue.

Still issues with the flash game, and I can not change between regular strike and easy strike. The coil for the game selection seems to be energized all the time. I am assuming this is correct due to some type of game is always selected?

Can anyone give any input on the game modes and flash not seeming to work correctly?

Anyone? I took apart and cleaned the flash motor, What causes the motor to run? all I can come up with is when you turn on flash mode?

Am I incorrect?.....I got everything else working which in my case is pretty good considering how long this thing sat in someone's basement.

I figured out the easy strike mode and regular strike mode......same as all the score reels.....I spring loaded lever seized up on its shaft.

Hi Mopar, thanks for jumping in here.

No I have not, I assumed, which I know I shouldn't that it must be functioning properly because the different light modes light when I press the selector button above the coin box. Also, when I play a game of regular it scores correctly. when I play flash or bonus it seems to score correctly. of course on flash and dual flash the same value is always lit cause the flash motor is not running. Unless something else elsewhere needs to make contact with something to also make the flash motor run

Also to answer your question yes, Game Selector Step Up Unit does have spring loaded wipers

Mopar, Tempest is a United. I will work on it again tomorrow after work, after 9 here and winding down. I will clean up this unit and report back here tomorrow, Thanks very much for stopping in, greatly appreciated! my schematic is a little fuzzy on the relationship between the flash motor and the Game Selector Step Up Unit.

OK I serviced the step up game selector unit, it appears to run well. I also did the frame select unit. the only ones left I did not service is the 6 strike spare units, but they seem to be working. I was going back to try to figure out the flask motor when I noticed the brake coil on this motor had the plate where the wires connect to was broke (see picture.) I also noticed one wire off. I am super gluing the plate on and then going to solder back on the winding wires, I do not know if I can find a coil or not parts for these seem nearly impossible to get.

So for me to have some piece of mind, is there a way I can jump the flash motor? if I put 50 volts to this thing shouldn't it run?
I need to find a way to test this motor.

Thanks all in advanced!

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Hi Mopar, thanks again for helping out here is a pic I hope it works. It looks like flash motor and flash coil share one lead.

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Hi Mopar, thanks again for helping out here is a pic I hope it works. It looks like flash motor and flash coil share one lead.

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Thanks again Mopar, I will check out that circuit tomorrow after work and report my findings here.

I checked this out this morning, Flash Relay is energized when flash game is selected. I was messing with switches on the one coil bank, and I could have swore motor started but not 100% sure because it was not mounted on back board because of working on release coil. I thought it was the roll over coil switches. Does this make any sense?

I just came upstairs from working on the bowler. I finally got the flash motor working ( it was froze up.) I soldered the wire back on the release coil, but I do not think its working correctly. I will try to find a new one.

Funny thing now going on, Now the Bowler thinks 6 players are playing when I only tell it one bowler, tomorrow is another day.

It was a combination of the motor being very dirty and the release coil not releasing, staying engaged in the gear,
going to give pbr a call today to see about the coil.

I got all the games working and scoring as they should be, on all players. Only thing left to do is lights, which I think is going to be the hardest part. these sockets must not be the best, and some bulbs I can not figure out how to get to at this point, I will more and likely be back for some advice on these.

By the way flash release coil is not installed at this time but flash seems to be working correctly

Thanks mopar and fattdirk!

Hi Mopar,

Yes the flash unit has the cork clutch system, for bulbs I use an old used plunger tip, same with the plunger tip on big bulbs.

The light sockets I cant get to are behind the board that the points coils and reset coils are mounted to. its where the lights are for number of players. I am putting good bulbs in so its something else wrong. 4 works only when adding it on the coin box 6 is the only one working all the time. I will put up a couple pics if it helps anyone to help me.

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Actually, no I did not do the Coin Step-Up actually its the only one I did not do (don't ask m e why) Funny you mention Carb Cleaner that's what I use also, Worked great on the 24 score reels, I like it more than alcohol because you get a little pressure behind the cleaner with the aerosol.

Allen wrench sounds like a great idea! I will be trying that.

Good Information Thanks! On my score reel steppers, the worst part was the gold colored spring attached lever that held the nylon gear like unit in place while it was being advanced by the coil. Some were so tight that it loosened the shaft that goes through the plate.

I thought "Shit" how the hell am I going to get them off now? I kept spraying with carb cleaner and PB Blaster and started with smallest flat screwdriver up to the largest one I have to work between the mounting plate and the bottom of the lever until I got it to move about 1/2 way up the post, finally my pliers pulled it off. cleaned inside diameter on lever and cleaned od of post. sanded post with 600 grit, and then used a little super lube, and reassembled. they are moving very easily now.

The reason I had the glitch when it was loading all six players when only selecting one, before, was my score motor was not zero'ed out.

What about the player up stepper? that is different than all the other steppers, I read where do not take snow show style steppers apart if it can be avoided.

The player number lights on every player in there correct turn, and when I play all six players, number of throws is correct, and everything is scoring correctly.

Mopar,

Thanks again, all you're help has be very useful, and greatly appreciated!

I really like this machine, and I hate to admit, as much as my one pinball. Trying to find an old EM pitch and bat. I friend I had back in the 70's had one there attic we use to spend hours playing.

I am keeping my eye out for older pins also.

Sounds good Mopar, where you located?

High Hand

Sorry what is P&B?

LOL....No Problem I get confused really easy

Hi All,

Back again, the bowler quit working. It seems to reset fine, but when you slide puck down alley nothing happens. I have seen on Youtube folks showing the exact same thing as this and search lots of sites and posts as to anyone having the same issue, and the possible places to look for something that causes this.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Hi Tim, yes this is Mike. I can not find any help near where I live, so I am still trying to resolve my issues. I believe your 100% correct on the contacts I need to look at. I have been finding these relays on my schematic, and then following the path to the switches, then matching wire color to switch to see its state.

what is happening right now, is when I plug in machine, before coin up, all 4 contacts on the game over relay are closed, when power is applied, the lock relay does not energize so this makes the game over coil drop out and the plate goes all the way to the rest bar, see picture.

In the picture you can see the 4 contacts. when I make the top front contact open on power up than the lock relay coil energizes, but does not always make its contacts correct, it has a really weak spring and a little stronger spring makes it worse. I can make contacts by very lightly touching the coil plate. I measure coil resistance with the machine unplugged and get .88 there is the same coil in the game regulation relay which measures the same, so I was debating on swapping the two for testing. So I am not sure, if it is a coil, or maybe another switch like in your response that is not quite adjusted correctly.

I have seen some older posts with members here that have very, very similar united shuffle bowlers, in fact posts with partial shots of there schematics seem identical to mine. I was hoping someone with a machine like mine could jump in here so we could compare some switch settings and other items in machine to get me up and running. I can manipulate the contacts and switches discussed here to get it top reset on coin up, then nothing happens on the lane switches. I seen another post where someone else had the same issue. https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/tech-help-needed-1#post-3612264

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The answer here is kinda both if that makes any sense.

Some Schematic.

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Thanks for your reply, that's why I asked if anyone had a a very similar bowler. there are 4 contacts on the Game Over, I need to know how to set the 4 contacts. This is where I am having a bit of trouble determining how to set the switches in this relay bank so they are all correct.

Here is another section.

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