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Any ideas for a more level playing field against a beginner opponent?


By Bruce

2 years ago



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    #1 2 years ago

    So I have a regular pinball night with a mate of mine every week or so, the only down side is that he is fairly new to pinball and I will win 99% of the time (mainly because I own a pinball machine, play more often etc), any ideas on how to level the playing field a little?

    It would be more fun for me to have more of a challenge too!

    Cheers

    #2 2 years ago

    Play EM's with 2" flippers, or Stars by Stern.

    #3 2 years ago

    He gets to plunge 1 of your balls. His choice on which to plunge

    #4 2 years ago

    dont try as hard, he is your freind, not a foe to be vanquished

    #5 2 years ago

    you play 1 handed for 1 ball.

    Switch hands.
    part of the pf blocked by a sheet of paper.

    All sorts f fun ways to modify and make it fun for you both. Easily adjustable also as he gets better.

    Also fun to make rules that make you have to complete an objective before doing something.
    i.e. you must hit 4 spinner shots before doing any mode start. If you start a mode before 4th spinner shot then you drain balls.

    #6 2 years ago

    we're playing Star Trek Pro if that makes any difference

    #7 2 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    part of the pf blocked by a sheet of paper.

    Cover the flippers like the blinders do on tommy. That's always a fun challenge.

    #8 2 years ago
    Quoted from PopBumperPete:

    dont try as hard, he is your freind, not a foe to be vanquished

    difficult to purposefully play worse! but thanks for making me laugh

    #9 2 years ago
    Quoted from Bruce:

    we're playing Star Trek Pro if that makes any difference

    you have to make it to warp 4 before you can start a multiball.

    You must drain EBs.

    He gets to select what modes you have to start.

    #10 2 years ago

    I play with two friends regularly and I always crush their scores but it's not a tournament so nobody cares. They just keep trying to improve on their own best scores and I do the same.

    I don't think you really need to hobble yourself.

    #11 2 years ago

    Make it a 5 ball game and let your first two balls drain so he plays 5 balls and you play 3.

    #12 2 years ago

    Let him give the game a good shake before you step up

    #13 2 years ago
    Quoted from chippe01:

    Make it a 5 ball game and let your first two balls drain so he plays 5 balls and you play 3.

    Sounds like a good idea, but rather than change the settings i could go 2 balls, he goes 3 (cue the ball jokes)

    #14 2 years ago
    Quoted from GotAQuestion:

    I play with two friends regularly and I always crush their scores but it's not a tournament so nobody cares. They just keep trying to improve on their own best scores and I do the same.
    I don't think you really need to hobble yourself.

    I hear what you're saying, but we've been doing that for quite a while, so thought we could mix things up a bit

    #15 2 years ago

    Just get really drunk. That's what I do.

    #16 2 years ago

    Allowing them extra balls but draining any EB you earn is a pretty good suggestion. That definitely gives him something to go for too.

    If he's going to be into pinball, though, he should get used to a fair competition. Make it more about teaching him the game and all the cool stuff you know than about who wins and it'll work out.

    #17 2 years ago
    Quoted from Law:

    Allowing them extra balls

    ...assuming they can even earn extra balls...

    #18 2 years ago

    Start a 3 or 4 player game, you get one player, he gets the rest. That should even up the time you each spend actually playing. Also try some split flipper games (each of you control one flipper button simultaneously). Try all at once.. 1P=you, 2P-3P = mate, 4P=both of you. See who wins.. your P1, his P2+3 combined, or the split flipper game.

    #19 2 years ago

    Start each ball by spinning in a circle for 15 seconds then plunge. Try not to fall and break the machine!

    #20 2 years ago

    Play "wrong-handed", left hand/right flipper, right hand/left flipper.

    #21 2 years ago

    I don't get the "Man, I'm soooooo much better than you that I need to do dumb things to compensate" approach. If someone did this to me when I first tried out a new thing, I'd be annoyed.

    Is it fun to golf against someone that handicaps themselves by only ever using a putter or swings with only one hand just to "even up the game"? Sure, maybe you win at that point but is it really a competition or have you already declared you're superior?

    Keep it simple and give them a bit of a handicap and clear goals within the game - get to multiball, earn the extra ball, etc.

    Or, play "this game, whoever finishes three modes faster" or "first to multiball wins" and forget about points.

    #22 2 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    ...assuming they can even earn extra balls...

    Three warp ramps in one game isn't THAT hard to pull off on a decently maintained machine. Ball control after the ramp shot is another matter, though.

    Drop it to one or two ramps the first time?

    #23 2 years ago
    Quoted from Law:

    I don't get the "Man, I'm soooooo much better than you that I need to do dumb things to compensate" approach. If someone did this to me when I first tried out a new thing, I'd be annoyed.
    Is it fun to golf against someone that handicaps themselves by only ever using a putter or swings with only one hand just to "even up the game"? Keep it simple and give them a bit of a handicap and clear goals within the game - get to multiball, earn the extra ball, etc.
    Or, play "this game, whoever finishes three modes faster" or "first to multiball wins" and forget about points.

    it is different with pinball. The better player can take WAY longer to play. That is the big difference compared to many other sports.
    By reducing the play time to be more even, the noob will have more fun.

    As the noob adjusts then adjsut the handicapping.

    #24 2 years ago

    I would spend more time helping him develop his skills and learning the rules of the game. Take the glass off and have him practice post passes, drop catches, live catches, and ESPECIALLY dead bounces. I see players all the time get in too big of a hurry and never have control because they don't dead bounce.

    A couple weeks of solid practice will help and make the game more fun for him. Handicapping yourself isn't going to make him a better player.

    #25 2 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    it is different with pinball. The better player can take WAY longer to play. That is the big difference compared to many other sports.
    By reducing the play time to be more even, the noob will have more fun.
    As the noob adjusts then adjsut the handicapping.

    Totally agree.

    The biggest frustration for my non pin friends is the long wait for their turn, not the score.

    #26 2 years ago

    I play often against a close friend. We have been playing for years. When we started, he slaughtered me every game. However, what he also did was show me how to play better. Instead of just destroying me he would become a narrator of his own play (a bit like Bowen tutorials). He would focus on things like drop catches and helped me get the timing of them, then live catches, dead bounces. He would play games where he would dead bounce every shot (even off angle stuff). It didn't hurt his play, but improved mine drastically. It wasn't a competition, it was buckets of fun. I'd take what I learned and try it when playing alone. It made me the pinball player I am today.

    #27 2 years ago

    What is best in pinball?
    To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!

    #28 2 years ago

    Sounds like you guys have been playing that Star Trek pro enough for him to know the rules and ways to score better by now. But if not, it's nice to have someone over your shoulder helping tell you what to go for and etc. - friends do that for me when I'm playing one of their games for the first time and it helps me get further, faster.

    #29 2 years ago

    LITERALLY level the play field-- it will screw YOU up and he won't know the difference cause he's new to pinball....

    #30 2 years ago
    Quoted from RTS:

    Totally agree.
    The biggest frustration for my non pin friends is the long wait for their turn, not the score.

    I will concede that I feel bad if I get on a roll and take a 20 minute ball on WOZ. Especially if one of my friends steps up and gets house balled right after

    #31 2 years ago

    All good stuff thanks. Pinball night has arrived

    #32 2 years ago

    what's it called when one player works one flipper and another works the other as a co-operative game ? , that's always fun

    I appreciate the coaching others do for me. I have to in my own head to not tense-up

    #33 2 years ago
    Quoted from fattdirk:

    Just get really drunk. That's what I do.

    Last time I tried this I got to EOTL on Metallica....only 2nd time ever.

    #34 2 years ago
    Quoted from chas10e:

    what's it called when one player works one flipper and another works the other as a co-operative game ? , that's always fun

    ZEN

    #35 2 years ago

    if you play for fun, and the love of the game
    then losing is a win to?

    #36 2 years ago

    just let him play 5-10 1 player games real quick, it shouldn't take long. then you can give him some competition. most beginners don't have the patience to wait on other players long balls.

    #37 2 years ago

    1. Buy a Multimorphic P3
    2. Start a game, select player profile "easy" for your friend.
    3. Add player 2, select player profile "hard" for you.
    4. Have fun playing together with the game settings automatically adjusted to each of your skill levels.

    Here's an old video which demonstrates this feature:

    #38 2 years ago
    Quoted from chas10e:

    what's it called when one player works one flipper and another works the other as a co-operative game ? , that's always fun

    Split flipper

    Locally we like to refer to it as "Bro-Balling" though.

    #39 2 years ago

    Tell them for every game they win, they get $10, but only have to pay $5 if they lose.

    #40 2 years ago

    I love bro balling it! It's fun playing those easier long games like lotr. Makes it feel like it's both of you "going on an adventcha!"

    #41 2 years ago
    Quoted from solarvalue:

    1. Buy a Multimorphic P3
    2. Start a game, select player profile "easy" for your friend.
    3. Add player 2, select player profile "hard" for you.
    4. Have fun playing together with the game settings automatically adjusted to each of your skill levels.
    Here's an old video which demonstrates this feature:
    » YouTube video

    This is great. I've been thinking about something like this for years. Would make playing with the wife/kids much more fun. I wish Stern and JJP would add something like this.

    #42 2 years ago

    How about you keep kick'n his tail until he's motivated enough to practice and get better to the point he can beat you?

    Outside of that, treat it like golf and give him a stroke a hole by spotting him so may points a ball.

    Or you could just play left handed.

    #43 2 years ago

    Sometime me and my buddies will blow e-cigarette smoke in front of the other players game. It's pretty effective.

    It also makes me think how cool it would be if the game would do that as a special effect to make things harder. Would be a pretty cool gimmick

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    #44 2 years ago
    Quoted from Mfsrc791:

    Sometime me and my buddies will blow e-cigarette smoke in front of the other players game.

    LOL I'm pretty sure this has happened a few times at my place...glass on though.

    #45 2 years ago
    Quoted from Frax:

    LOL I'm pretty sure this has happened a few times at my place...glass on though.

    That's what Pinball playing looked like up until probably the 2000s

    #46 2 years ago

    Yup riping butts and flipping balls

    #47 2 years ago
    Quoted from Mfsrc791:

    Sometime me and my buddies will blow e-cigarette smoke in front of the other players game. It's pretty effective.
    It also makes me think how cool it would be if the game would do that as a special effect to make things harder. Would be a pretty cool gimmick

    Someone has done that:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/review-of-the-smokefogger-mod-for-my-bsd

    #48 2 years ago

    Start a three player game, alternate balls, don't worry about your scores, just try to beat the machine.

    #49 2 years ago
    Quoted from Bruce:

    any ideas on how to level the playing field a little?

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