It is Ice. Prices here have gone crazy during Covid. Instead of dropping they have gone through the roof. POTC CE going for $25K+ someone just listed TronLE for 40K. Machines have dried up and most LEs going for more than new pricing on the second hand market. This game will go very well here.

The cab art on the CE looks awful to me. Just my opinion of course, but the LE art is the clear winner to me here. Of course gameplay tops all that.
All these big money boys in the hobby now and their fomo and "I want the best!" lol.

I actually like the CE art the best. I'm on the list for a CE with my distributor, but they dont know how many they are getting yet. Hoping I'm one of the lucky ones!

Agreed, I think it’s cool that it’s from the banned album cover. I still don’t understand while it was banned?

Covid pricing has driven everything up, people have too much money hoarded, just look at recent car auctions, crazy high prices...

They haven't done that since Hobbit. Those days are over it appears.

LTG : )

Yeah it really pisses off CE owners of original..Don't know why you already have a game. More games better

Their record label Geffen made them change it.

LTG : )

Tipper Gore.

It's a monster rescuing a chick from getting raped by a robot with a boob hanging out. Great artwork, but I can kinda see not wanting it on shelves in the record store.

Guess they cowboyed it.

Dialed In & POTC didn’t have the demand to justify it. I could see them doing extra CE-esque editions on this one.

Yep they won’t want to leave any CE type money left on the table.

Umm Yellow Brick Road addition comes to mind Lloyd. Let’s face it they could if demand is there, it is a business after all.
It would upset the CE collectors but it wouldn’t be the first time business has upset consumers
I love the game. Great times in pinball at the moment. Lots of great titles coming out.

Yea, maybe a blessing

Standard may be faster playing and half price. Maybe not half because you’d want a shaker and a few bobs.

But you can get standard plus a Stern pro (DP, SW, JP) with shaker etc. for $13k

I can legit get two HUO Stern premium for $13K. (If you get a good deal). CE is almost $13k with shipping.

LE is nearly as good for a good bit lower price.

CE is great but you pay for it.

No way in hell will I pay scalper flipper price. I think a lot of R&M type buying to flip will be revealed.

If the LE and CE play is similar - which other than that magna save(?) it seems it is, I would be happy with an LE. I like the art on it better...but I gotta admit, I'm a sucker for a glorious light show...

Play should be the as CE.

Someone told me the CE stores the ball while you play Coma if it times out or you lose ball it just dumps ball into the trough.

The LE doesn’t hold the ball it just kicks ball out and if you win the switch hits it sends another ball out.

Do gameplay should be same but the ball lock just looks cooler than dropping into trough drain on LE.

Yeah Sean I remember when it came out, vividly. I was 14.
Always liked the red monster, but the trenchcoat guy just looks silly to me, on both the album and the cab.
But that's, just like , my opinion man. And one that doesn't really count cause I've been priced outta JJP's for awhile now. I just can't bring myself to pay 10k, nevermind 14k lol, for a toy.
Happy for you dudes that can.

Radcals? Not really, I won't even see the cab when it's wedged in between 2 other games, Rosette on the lockdown? I bet someone will make a cool one. The shooter rod? Again someone will make a similar one. That leaves the cab leds and apron lock....no big deal on both counts. Buying an LE is a much better idea.

I spoke to my distributor and they did not get half of what they had ordered for CE’s.

I just got the same message. I'm all over the LE now. I'm totally fine with it. It is what it is.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder....but damn that LE cabinet is amazing looking so I'm not to upset. I was going to beg JJP to put the CE stuff in the LE cabinet. Would have had a one of a kind pin. I know I know. They won't do it. But it would be cool.

Well Jason your memory is a hell of a lot better than mine that’s for sure! I’m 52 and I don’t remember any of it, but my memory did get pretty well wiped out 2 years ago... ignorance is bliss I guess.

I want a ce only if i can get the number 501.

Lol. I remember it so well cause my best friend/neighbor in jr high and high school was a black kid named Dave that absolutely loved GnR and Appetite. We must've worn out about 5 copies on cassette.

Thats an odd request but as I recall someone actually did that on a JJP POTC CE and asked for a number Over the allotted 200 (like 235) and they said no issues as long as they do not produce more then the allotted number of units.

Sorry you didn't get a CE but happy that you are on-board with an LE, hopefully not too long before you have your machine!

The location near my house is getting an LE delivered between now and Monday so I’m glad I get to play it before worrying about putting in an order or not.

Agreed. Not digging the CE cab or purple at all. The LE is what I envisioned the CE would be, and with the game off 99% of the time, I would never be happy with the CE.

Really did want the glitter playfield bling, and the apron lock would have been nice, but not worth $3k to always be disappointed with the art (don't care about the signatures, topper, cab lights, etc.).

The LE looks like a local concert venue with the brick and posters and works perfectly with the theme and other house decor.

I don't remotely associate the scrapyard creature and red-blob thing with GnR or rock music at all (despite their presence on AfD and in the game [don't mind them in the game]).

Doesn't mean I'm not envious of those that DO like the cab/color as it's an awesome package in that case.

Paul at pinballsales has been the exclusive Aussie JJP distributor for ages and his details are listed on the JJP website as such. Everyone down here knew that long ago.

It was actually a smart proactive move by JJP given the effort behind bringing this to market and how sales are now eventuating.

Wouldn't be surprised if it gives ACDC a run for its money on domestic sales numbers.

Same here. Didn't make the short list for the CE...went with the LE. Saved $3k and better art! And hopefully will arrive sooner. Winning..

Hearing: 100 LE first shipment out 10/5
Then 100 Standards
Then 100 CE games
Then back to LE

Anyone else hear different?

literally couldn't say this better myself. Yes, Yes, Yes. Good news is everyone is happy b/c CEs sold out super fast!!!

“Coma“ lock in the apron on the CE also.

I agree 100%. As a pinball company, I would think this is exactly what you want to hear. Each version properly catering to different segments for different reasons. Keeping the CE truly exclusive, and make sure the LE is really meant to cater to the majority of buyers in this price range. For those who miss out on a CE, the LE justification is NOT hard at all. Well done JJP.

I know this is not an SE thread but the perception that it is so stripped down is only from our crazy pinhead perspective. The GNR SE seems to be the first real push from JJP to get these on route en masse, and they picked the perfect theme to do it. The casual pinball player will not care (or even know) about the missing upper playfield. They will see a crazy light show, crazy sound, and a decent shooter with good ball times. Sounds like a great recipe to me to make a ton $$ for operators (when they open again of course).

Will they be able to sell 100std´s theese days?

I'm curious to see if a bluetooth enabled soundbar can just be placed up there and connect to the machine wirelessly.

That is a HUGE bummer btw if the numbers are staggered like that. Puts LEs outside 100, for some time. Maybe that's why I was told a few weeks for mine.

I agree. JJP should consider having this as an option for all their future pins. If indeed bluetooth connected then it should be easy for anyone to install. You could even have rear speakers for full surround sound. It would be pretty cool on GnR to have the crowd cheering behind you and all the stage noises in front of you.

so bluetooth has been confirmed by Eric in a recent interview confirming headphones is an option. If that's the case, there really is no reason why the same can't apply to a sound bar.

As for the staggered approach, I can also confirm I'm hearing the same thing from my guy. So odd they're doing it this way. Talk about inefficient.

I mean if they can do 100 per week, it shouldn't be too long.

I’m super so surprised they sold out.

Not that 500 is large number because R&M sold out at 750 units.

It’s more that $12,800 is a large number that wasn’t sure so many people have so much disposable income. I keep expecting people to run out of room or money but it’s endless.

I remember MMR LE selling out so quick but then a lot of people gave back their spots instead of waiting.

I think (I really think) many CE are bought by flippers dry up the supply and sell for $$$$ thousands more like Potc is selling for $18K they’re investing on the future that people will pony up. Not me, I had thought to get one at $13k dealer price but to me $12.5 is enough for me.

I'm not surprised one bit. GNR is a global brand. With the pandemic, most people are not going on vacations, so disposable income for some is at an all-time high. A lot of my friends and co-workers are spending thousands of dollars on home improvements, boats, cars, etc. to get some sanity and fun in after being isolated for so long.

Too bad because dealers have a value. They support the company sell good and bad titles they should get to sell the hot sellers. JJP looks to be skimming the easy money out of the pool.

Anyway, I don’t buy a CE because it’s low numbers so if I had a CE it wouldn’t matter to me if the made another 400 units or whatever. But the flippers would get burned. So what?

30K hits on the YouTube video around 36 hours from the time it was posted. 500 units would be 1.7% of the those and in the case of Pinsiders (and such) we know there were plenty on a list to buy prior. The numbers are interesting for sure.

I heard something similar in terms of staggering. Also heard they may make machines for European markets in the middle as well. So who really knows. I'm interested to know what they're production capacity really is....anyone know? I've heard 50-100/week. I've heard per day. I have no clue...hoping someone can enlighten me!