lol we all know you're a swindler, or at least a hype man for yourself. Trying to paint things in the best possible light even if its not fully true, but thanking people for preorders? Lmao now thats funny. Ain't nobody preording this thing.

it is true.

Can pinballbuzz do anything more to prove what a crook and just a general scoundrel he is. The game is laughable and the man behind it is a joke.

Fresh news on Http://www.thisweekinpinball.com about this game

Yeah I keep seeing people say things like "they are doing what deeproot can't haha!" except theres no actual manufacturing going on that we can see. Supposedly each game is being hand built by 2 guys and a 3rd for quality control? They claim they can "comfortably" build 10-20 games per month. Thats more than Spooky if I'm not mistaken! Lets not forget that Andrew is a known liar (allegedly)

So lets just get this straight. Each game is hand built by 2-3 people at 10-20 units a month. Screen printed and clearcoated 2 times with sanding in between for the cabinets outside AND inside. Built with high end wood. Specialty clear coated playfield. All kinds of other bells and whistles, and the price will be around $5500. Big if true, and hell of a lot of work for a title nobody will want by a guy nobody wants to deal with. Good luck!

We can only hope for pinballbuzz to chime in with more of his wonderful personality. YAWN

no u

lol nah, check out his posting history, and look into his scam pinball book and beef with Todd Tuckey. Great guy.

I always wanted to buy a pinball machine from Wish.com Billy Mays

Honestly, I'd rather own Mafia than this game even putting aside how cringe Andrew is. Wow I can build my multiplier by completing lanes, how original, plus I get to hear a grating Don Knotts impersonation the whole time. How could anyone resist? I really hope Dave Sanders can get some real work sometime in the future, he deserves better.

Yes, I have no doubt. Thats how bad this looks to me. Even if Andrew wasn't a complete clown, everything about this game baffles me. This has to be some sort of ploy to just get a tax break or something. Theres no way somebody dumped this much money into such a terrible idea.

You could fight back by posting boomer memes and fighting "trolls"

Deeproot is JJP and Robert Mueller is Charlie Emery compared to this horrendous idea of a game and clown of a owner. Again, this has to be some sort of tax scheme because theres zero chance of recouping any sort of investment on this.

Lol hydrodipped, aka spray paint sprayed in water and 3d printed junk dipped into the water.

Pinballbuzz is already a known scammer and jackwagon, the games are a complete joke, and yes, every InNoVaTiOn is complete idiocy.

I guess we'll just ignore your crappo pinball book that turned out to be a huge scam then on top that of you tried to drag Todd Tuckey through the mud, or that your whole empire is built on infomercial grifts, or that a ton of things you've promised on this release have already been broken. Yeah..its definitely somebody else being a moron ruining the industry though...

There is more technical ways to do it, but you get a lot better/different results than what their showing in their video and they shouldn't be "different in every pinball machine sold". Its clearly the quick and fast (aka crappy) way of doing it. more lies.

Kudos on molded parts I guess?

Wow so nice for you to take your low quality book that wasn't anything like what was promised and fixed one technical error. Would be nice if the pages weren't thinner than tissue paper on the second run too.

8 books now? Wow. Did you ever release the Todd Tuckey smear campaign one you advertise on your website? Or the two other books that are coming in 2021? I only see 4 books on your amazon page and website, all with horrible reviews, plus your 2 punny factory books that nobody buys. I hope your games are better than your shovelware books. If I wanted shovelware books I'd at least get some books by Chuck Tingle (hes got almost 350 books!), so I could get a laugh. At least you admit to your book grift, yet another slimeball move, although you couldn't help but to embellish again.

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I unironically would never speak ill of Chuck Tingle. That guy is a genius!

TLDR:
*Clutches pearls and goes home*

Updates better left to places where you can control the narrative instead of have to talk about the truth, I think is what you mean

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/todd-tuckey-s-response-to-pinball-adventures-book-deal-termination-

This one is a bit shorter and gets to the point quicker too but really both should be read, plus just Andrew's post in general around the forum are generally just eyebrow raising.

In all honesty I remember looking at the pause button and thinking of a few times I could have used that. I'm not paying $30 for 10 cents worth of 3d printed crap though from a design I'm sure he just stole off thingaverse or someone else, and if I was going to do it I certainly wouldn't be buying it from Andrew.

Really?? That's awesome, I never knew that. I'm gonna set my DP up that way. Thanks for the tip!

AND in addition, I think the QR codes thing was a great idea. Funny especially now since we all use QR codes to log in on Stern games. Is Andrew's staff a bunch of people from the nursing home?

"I don't know what a QR code is and my fingers hurt..."
"yeah well now your back is going to hurt because you just pulled landscaping duty!"

Probably the QR code people

ChatGPT has 100x more brilliant ideas than anything Andrew has come up with or has said...ever.

LOL @ the 8.5 second certified roll cage under the playfield.

Complete horseshit, just like everything else

JFC lmaoooo. This is levels of cringe not previously known to mankind. How is any of this even real life?

I just hope he's not taking advantage of poor Dave Sanders

Well if you're there and see your reflection, you will get your wish!

The 1st 2 things you said are true, but there is definitely a game. In fairness, he said himself that he wouldn't be at TPF but will be at Yegpin, Seattle, and Expo this year. Plus we'll get to see the exciting reveal of the next game nobody will care about at expo!

Considering Todd Tuckey and Kaneda are friends and and we all know about the story between scumbag Andrew and Todd, I highly doubt it. Plus its obvious that the game is a complete joke (sorry Dave) just like PA in general

I know, you're a great sport about it. But as I've gone over before, I like you, so I really hate to dookie on things you've worked on. I really look forward to the day when I can praise a Dave Sanders project! Look, as much as I dislike Andrew, everything pinball adventures does (hate might be a strong word for that because the hilarious cringe factors are high) and everything I have seen so far about this game, at the end of the day, I'm gonna call a spade a spade, just like I always do. So if something is good, I will say so....I just have a lot of doubts Pinball Adventures will ever pull off anything that isn't a lolcow.

He is independently wealthy from all his infomercial products he's sold over the years. Its pretty funny when you think about it because it just makes so much sense. Grandiose claims trying to hype up some cheap piece of crap and hopefully rope enough suckers in with it to make a few bucks.

Hes caught in lies all the time, and then he just says "you have no proof" or calls us "fake news" even when we show the proof clear as day. Hell its already happened a couple times in this thread alone.

Thats funny coming from the guy who has probably one of the lowest up/down vote ratios on pinside at a hilarious 16.6%.

Looks like Andrew has me blocked now, which is sad because now I have to take extra steps to laugh at this ridiculous posts.

Good call! Just like all the same people who couldn't wait to buy Mafia, and we all remember what a success that game was!

Everyone's favorite podcaster is offering pizza parties to the staff of boutique pinball companies if they do a FB live and give a factory tour. So far Spooky and Dutch have both taken him up on the offer and gave awesome and informative tours of their factories in action.

In a classic Andrew move, he tried to game the system by just making a regular staged video of a factory tour. When Chris said that didn't count because its supposed to be a live tour during a normal day, Andrew, in yet another classic Andrew move, got real big mad, blocked Chris and started bad mouthing him and generally acting like a huge baby. Now before anyone gets too thrilled because Kaneda makes them real mad too, just remember that A. Andrew was a big fan and supporter of Chris before this. and B. The getting a live tour of a factory to get a pizza party for the staff is objectively a good thing and a win/win for buyers and manufacturers.

Please be sure to let us know how that goes

I wish the whole site was just stolen caricature artwork of outdated celebs with bad fivver impersonators reading shitty scripts. I mean the site is probably already 40% that but I want more! Nothing gets me more pumped up to buy the pinball wedge than having a shitty Andrew Dice Clay explain to me why he needs to pause the game, complete with poorly photoshopped stolen art! Andrew is a comedy genius, just not in the way he thinks.

https://www.pinballadventures.com/pinball-pause/

"he was nice to me, so I can overlook the other countless shitty things he's verifiably done over the years" Have you ordered from Mad Amusements lately? That thread could use a resurrection of another person who thinks they are fine because they got their parts.

His book he did with Todd was a literal scam, not to mention he was nice to Todd too, until he wasn't. The book wasn't what was promised and of horrible quality. Then he claimed to have made everyone whole that had ordered the book and immediately several people came out to say they were absolutely not made whole. If not a scammer, a swindler and a grifter at best, and thats a pretty thin line anyway if you ask me.

Easier way: Copy the link of the page you're currently viewing. Open incognito window. Paste thread link into incognito window. You can now read the blocked responses (still can't reply to them)

Andrew makes shovelware books but although its possible he's sold a couple copies, theres zero reviews on his 2 punny factory books at amazon. Also they are from 2019 and the game was known before then, so best case scenario they coincide with the game. Lets just call it what it is though, the books are shovelware simply so andrew can say hes an author and has written multiple books to help lend some credence to his name.

I kinda just want to get the books and see how much of it (if any...in fairness) is plagiarized, or just how terrible and cheap they are. All the volumes of the pinball adventures books have terrible reviews that get worse with each installment.

I just came here to post this too. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that Andrew delivered a poor quality product and refuses to do a proper job fixing it. I mean, it's not like he has a track record of doing exactly that! Sad

Say what you will about D0n. He's an....interesting guy. I really did not care for him much when he was around here but I could coexist with him just fine. I've gotten to know him a little better through a chance encounter on facebook. He's actually an allright dude but he is definitely a wild card. From what I understand, according to Andrew there is another side to this story, and I am sure that is the case just kind of knowin D0n, and to be honest I look forward to hearing it. That said, Andrew is a known deflector and bullshit artist so anything he says I will be taking with a grain of salt and a lot of the pics D0n provided really speak for themselves.

You can laugh that D0n ended up being the guinea pig that got burnt on this deal and honestly I understand that point of view since he can be a pretty divisive guy. I look at it like this- if anyone was going to get burned, its good that it was D0n only for the fact that hes somebody that won't hold back. If Andrew was smart he'd know the kind of guy he was dealing with and be extra careful to make sure everything looked good before that game hit the streets. Shocker, that did not happen.

According to D0n he kept quiet and gave Andrew plenty of time to try and make things right. Sounds more than fair to me. This was PA's chance to make a good first impression. I'm sure a big reason D0n bought the game in the first place was to help promote his arcade airBNB so I can even cut him a little slack there. Its also worth noting that D0n didn't ask or beg anyone to be his lackey. I think Pooky took it upon himself to post this and I came to post it myself only after personally asking D0n (to which he was happy to spread the word).

The game is a mess. That clear is just...ungodly bad. The amount of slack in the wires (or lack thereof) is comical and yeah plenty of fun to track down when you snap one and they are all the same color. This is only a handful of the issues the game has had so far. I wonder how much down time it'll have when it starts hitting all the show circuits.

lmfao jfc that is bad

still better sound that El Dorado Lost City of Gold

kinda reminds me of that song "some cut" by Trillville.

did he change the description already? I can't find that particular wording. If he saw this and then immediately changed it that would be pure comedy

I like Don, and I'll never police who a person decides to be friends with, but man, its sad that Andrew has had to resort to reeling in a hungry up and comer to drum up any promotion for his game these days. Don is aware of Andrew's well deserved reputation but he'll continue to be cordial until the wheels fall off this relationship. Gonna be awkward at Expo since Don will be at the PA booth and I am excited to chit chat with him a bit, but I'll really have to bite my tongue around Andrew.

lol it is a strange coincidence

Its a different Don, although he might if you asked him during a stream

Thats all fine and dandy I guess if we're just totally ignoring all the scumbag moves the owner of Pinball Adventures has done over the years.

Dave Sanders is a good designer who doesn't get enough credit for his work and is sadly often roped in by unsavory characters to make their games. I hope some day he gets the big break he truly deserves.

Tell that to Andrew lmfao

Lol I can't wait to tell Don that Blueballs Johnson thinks he has a "golden throat"

As far as Elements goes, the art is horrible but hopefully that at least means its not stolen. Quadraphonic sound though! Damn! Peak 70's lingo there.

Possibly the worst shooter rod of all time on elements

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You may not be "new to pinball" but your understanding of pinball might as well be. "Built with primarily b/w parts" wut? I got a newsflash for you: just because a game has b/w style flippper assemblies doesn't mean it's built with b/w parts.b/w parts pretty much don't exist anymore. It may use pinball life parts that many manufacturers use and are semi reasonable reproductions of bally williams parts but b/w parts they are not. Who cares anyway? Just because it uses those parts means nearly nothing. Yeah most pinball machines use the same coils and similar links and plungers to drive their assemblies. Cgc and jjp both use b/w style assemblies and their flippers feel like crap compared to b/w because of the way they are driven. Nobody is worried about the mechs. Its all the other stuff that actually matters that people are worried about. The shoddy wiring, the weird boardset, the parts that are exclusive to whatever junk PA is using and tons of other things that are worrisome that you're just simply glossing over, and yeah this obviously is ignoring the history Andrew has created for himself.

Was it designed by Carrot Top?

Don worked with Mad pinball, who is a good distributor. Mad tried to work it out with PA but Andrew straight out refused. This according to D0n.

Also something that was pointed out to me is Pinball Adventures 5 DAY WARRANTY. Yes, you read that right, 5 days. Ok it does day "5 day return period" which maybe or maybe not is equal to "warranty" but still very eyebrow raising
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Same old embellished story as attention seeker Todd posted at the beginning of this thread.
Do not want to feed the Trolls who track all our movements and feel the need to report on us and our games , even thought they have never met us or played one of out games, but.... Don you were offered a new playfield by us and by three other pinball related business that tried to broker a deal to make you happy. You will never be happy! You have been banned from several threads and blocked from several podcasts and Facebook accounts. This is nothing new and happened before we knew you. You are the only one complaining. sigh.....

Everyone needs to know what a slimeball andrew mcbain is.
Try to get my name right next time and slimeball why?

Damage to the playfield clearcoat.
ok things happen you were offered a new playfield shipped by us you picked one out of picture we send you and then decided not to accept it. Why?

Well texts seem to suggest you knew there were problems with the clear coat. Blamed it on a subcontractor and said you've changed the process now. Why were faulty clearcoats sent out in the first place? You offered a new playfield and he refused? Interesting, I would like to know more on that. Was that before or after you offered him another game to take to shows but changed your mind?

I think this might have actually been the game they took to the NW pinball expo.
That game was sold to a local, so you can put that to rest.

So you sold your prototype game to a local (I've heard a lot of stories about your local reputation in the pin community there btw, yikes!) and yet the one you sold to a customer was filled with so many glaring issues? Thats even worse, at least if this was a show game/prototype like D0n suspected, there might be a crumb of validity to why the game had so many issues.

I contacted andrew and he promised to send a populated playfield.
The deal was you were going to buy another game and we would swap out the populated playfield, thus saving money on the shipping. You changed the deal when you decided not to buy another game , but we fairly offered a brand new playfield shipped to you like any other company would do.

Sounds like there was more to this deal than that. I can't imagine why somebody would change their mind about wanting to purchase another game from you though after seeing what the first one was like.

I ended up filing a dispute with my credit card company.
No-one from your CC company contacted us.

Thats not really how it works. His dispute was denied btw, you got lucky on that one.

he blocked me on all forms of social media and blocked my cell phone.
You were blocked because you do not stop and there is no reasoning with you. I am just another person that has blocked you.

As opposed to Mr. Reasonable Andrew McBain.

He now refuses to send even the blank playfield.
No-one refused to do this but , would you send out a playfield after all of the slander you have posted on social media.

Nothing was said on social media until you left him out in the cold. Besides, unfortunately for you, yes, as a company you should be sending out parts to make customers happy when it is clearly something you did wrong.

Threatening lawyers on ME.
I said that was our next step do you blame me? It is obvious that you will keep doing this, altering the truth to Slander our company and now teaming up with Todd.
Guess you are leaving us with no choice. Big Sigh!!

298 (1) A defamatory libel is matter published, without lawful justification or excuse, that is likely to injure the reputation of any person by exposing him to hatred, contempt or ridicule, or that is designed to insult the person of or concerning whom it is published.

You just said slander, now its libel? Do you even know what these words mean? What does that phrase "justification or excuse" even mean? A slander or libel case about this would be laughed out of court. Of course, we're already well aware of your lack of understanding with anything to do with the legal system after your excuses about IP infrigement.

Theres more than a few he's blocked. He's blocked a lot of people, myself included, which is sad because I love laughing at how ridiculous his posts are

I wonder if he has ever heard of QR codes

I hope they don't spoil the "ancient Chinese secret" : New improved Calgon!

Exactly. A sheister salesman selling cheap shoddy infomercial products and janky little inventions to make a buck off unsuspecting rouses. If somebody made a book or show with a character like this everyone would say its too on the nose, yet this is real life

Hyrdo dipping the entire playfield? I know he was "hrydo dipping" some of the toys, but it wasn't even real hydrodip it was just like a janky DIY style were you essientially just spray spray paint into a bucket of water and dip the part in. Of course Andrew hyped it up to be some cutting edge technology.

All his books are just whatever the literary equivalent to shovelware is

Its only a matter of time. I've wanted to mention that for a while but I didn't want to give Andrew any ideas. Then again, knowing Andrew, he'd probably only consider it as a viable technology by 2050 and hed still be using the 2022 version.

They have a booth at expo, I saw a picture of Rob Berk playing the game yesterday. I don't think they are doing any seminars or anything like that though.

I might have to check out that Turner Pinball seminar though... hmmm

LFGGGGGG I'll be there probably all day Friday and a little while Saturday after the pinball olympics if I'm not in too rough of shape.

We get a better look at elements on PA's instagram page today. It will be revealed at Expo. An INFINITY MIRROR in the middle of the playfield whoaaaaa

Heard a lot of people talking about Pinball Adventures during the show, but not in a good way. Seriously, I didn't hear one positive comment the entire time. Lots of confused people, wondering what the hell they were thinking with the themes. One guy told me "I went to their website and its just full of nonsense ideas, its like this guy just looks around the room and says yeah lets say we're going to make a game about that now!" Then he pointed at my shirt and said "Flannel shirt the pinball, thats the next game!" Heard at least 2 others talking about Andrew coming off like a used car salesman. Lots of talk about the games feeling cheap, shooting poorly, ect.

Andrew was there looking slovenly slouched down in his chair much of the time. Games seemed to be broken constantly. I tried to sneak in multiple times to play but every time they were turned off or people were hunched over tinkering with stuff in the game. I think Elements had the glass off of it most of the time it was at the show. Both nights the PA crew left much much earlier than everyone else, so couldn't even sneak games in once the crowds died down.

PA was the worst of show, honestly it was embarrassing. I know it seems like I'm just saying this because obviously I'm not a fan, but I promise this is just my objective observations. If they had done anything at all to merit it, I would have given them some credit where it was due, but it was mostly just a disasterous showing

Edit- I forgot, I did take a long hard look at them up close at the end of Saturday. I wanted to inspect the playfields since we all saw the faulty one that D0n got. I have to say, I didn't notice anything bad. No weird bubbles or pooling. Didn't notice any wear or major dimpling or anything like that, seemed pretty solid overall. The only thing I noticed was that the clear window for the infinity mirror on Elements was scratched to hell. Otherwise no major wear, or defects that I could see.

Pic is unrelated I just think its funny

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Yeah I wish I had gotten to play it. Honestly I'm kind of bummed. I'm also kind of surprised I didn't see any of the punny factory books or pinball books for sale. I really wanted to see the quality first hand, I even might have bought one just as a gag. Have Andrew sign it and everything lol

D0n wanted me to share this with you. More lying from Andrew it seems. Here you see a notice posted by Andrew in response to D0n's continued complaints. Its actually a letter to his bank after D0n opened a dispute with his credit card company. Andrew clearly lying to his bank to try and cover his ass. He states the playfield had no flaws when it left the factory and D0n did not mention any flaws until 2 weeks later, well after the 5 day warranty period...
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Next we see texts between D0n and Andrew where D0n immediately mentioned the playfield issue as he was unboxing the game, and Andrew confirms that some playfields may have had issues. I accidently switched the order of the texts around but its easy to see that D0n mentioned these issues to Andrew on the day he took possession of the game, not 2 weeks later as Andrew states in his letter to his bank.
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D0n is holding a fundraiser. He wants to sell his game but nobody will buy it, so if he can raise 6k, they will drop his Punny Factory off the roof of TNT amusements.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/toss-a-fiery-punny-factory-from-todd-tuckeys-roof?utm_source=customer&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet-first-launch

Sadly, Todd Tuckey says they can't do the fire part anymore but everything else is a go

I'm not donating to benefit Don, I'm doing it because I think it'll be entertaining to watch. I wouldn't purposely destroy my $7000 machine for free no matter how big of a turd it is or how rich I was, so it is what it is. If it doesn't get funded, then everyone gets their money back. I'd like to see Todd throw it off the building though!

I don't think his lawyers said anything about that, so it might still be on the table lmao

Here's the Cary Hardy video. I wish he could have touched a little more on the back story so people could understand exactly why a destructive death is the best route for this machine, but it's still entertaining

Take a look through this very thread or the thread todd made about his book: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/todd-tuckey-s-response-to-pinball-adventures-book-deal-termination-

I'll see if I can make a very brief TLDR though. Andrew is an infomercial product salesman and basically is the stereotypical sleezy salesguy to a T. Originally came on the radar offering a pinball themed book cowritten by Todd Tuckey. They had a falling out, Andrew caught in many lies, book eventually came out with and was terrible quality, Todd didn't get a dime for his contributions. Fast forward punny factory is announced. Lots of false claims, plagerized web pages, stolen art, more lies (lots and lots of lies), ect. Basically Andrew is the king of blustery claims but none of them hold up to any scrutiny, constantly makes a fool of himself, will be your friend if he can gain from it then toss you to the side when you're no longer useful.

Andrew has shown time and time again that he's not the sharpest peanut in the turd. You're giving him way too much credit. He puts himself into situations where his own actions were completely and hilariously stupid. An example is when we asked if the art for the ninja game on his website was stolen or not. He said it wasn't. Then we proved it was. Then he started doing his old "fake news" and "nobody has ever heard of pinside" thing instead of owning up to anything. So to think that since Andrew is a con man, he's too smart to work himself into a corner, thats just blatantly wrong. Oh he was nice to you though? Yeah, he's been nice to a lot of people, until he didn't need to be nice anymore. Its a very simple concept really.

You're not paying for Cary's entertainment, you're paying for your own entertainment. Even in the most cynical view possible, you're paying for everyone's entertainment.

Actually, factories do send out populated playfields. Stern used to do it quite often.

Yes, if you receive a game from JJP or Stern in the condition that D0n received his game you absolutely would get your money back or a replacement game. The playfield was just one of many issues btw.

Andrew has denied D0n any sort of playfield compensation, and 2 others have tried on his behalf and failed (as I understand it at least). I think originally Andrew offered D0n a populated playfield then renegged on his offer. Strange considering this would be one of the most high profile and early locations for this game they are trying to get off the ground.

A GFM to have the game repaired would probably be less successful than this, not to mention that, again, the game has been a total basketcase since day 1.

Does the game in Vancouver have a wiring harness thats stretched to its absolute limit when the game is set up? Are all the wires pretty much the same color? Just curious. Even if the game has been working fine, on no planet should that be considered "mechanically first rate" Admittedly the only live and in person experience I've watched somebody have with Punny Factory actually playing (since it was down every time I wandered over at expo) was during Don's Pinball Podcast livestream where the game went haywire multiple times.

Its in multiple places all over the playfield and Andrew admitted they had problems with them

Yes

Most companies don't have issues like this. Haggis, for example, has a couple small issues with their games that need to be ironed out, but they are just that, minor issues

.....none of these are particularly new or exciting features. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

By designer do you mean Dave Sanders or Andrew MacBain? If you mean Andrew, he is not a hobbiest, he's a sleazy salesman trying to make a buck selling a subpar product, just as he has done making his living for the past however many years. This is ignoring all the other garbage human type activities that we've outlined here and other places. If you're talking about Dave, well yeah Dave is a great guy and I hope Andrew is fairly compensating him for all his work, but I have extreme doubts.

I'm here simply to laugh at Andrew and his lolcow exploits. IDC if you support D0n's GFM or not (although I would love to see the game take a ride). I'm not here for D0n or anyone but myself and good folks who don't particularly care for Andrew's way of doing things and stinking up the community. Its simply something for me to pass the time.

I think you make some fair points here but "having a nicely built cabinet" is pretty low on my list of things that I commend a pinball company for doing, and it certainly doesn't make up for all the other things Andrew has done (I'm not talking about the D0n situation necessarily either, thats just one more data point) or the other shortcomings of the game(s). Speaking of the cabinet, can we talk about how stupid it is that they put graphics on the inside? I mean...hey....neat I guess, but like can you just not do that and knock some of the BOM savings off the MSRP? Hell, keep the MSRP the same, at least people aren't thinking about how dumb somebody has to be to think thats a selling point. Nobody in the history of pinball wished they had wall to wall to floor printed graphics inside their machine.

Perhaps a hall of fame?

The GFM is currently paused because Andrew complained that his name and picture were used in the description of the GFM. D0n has removed the image and mentions and is hoping the GFM will be back online soon. Good news for Levi!

Theres a lot of bad things you can say about Andrew, and hes certainly not good for the hobby, but he is not nearly as bad as Robert Mueller

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

It makes it all the more funny that Andrew decided this was the right guy to send a junk game to and then snub for service though. I feel like a lot of people would have been more of a pushover but we all know D0n is going to raise a big stink. Wtf was Andrew thinking lol, D0n is the last guy you'd want to be upset with your company. You couldn't write a more clever twist into a story.

I'm wondering whats going on with the snake in that photo. Is it like a toy and thats a articulation point, or is it just a sloppy photoshop job? Maybe Both. I'm also amused by the "quadraphonic sound". Clearly, Andrew has no idea what quadraphonic sound even is and the game doesn't have it. Plus its a highly outdated technology. So bizarre which makes it very funny. Like OK maybe it has 4 speakers. That doesn't mean quadraphonic sound. Is it even 4 channel? If it is indeed 4 channel sound, thats what he should be advertising, not Quadraphonic lmao.

STOCK PHOTO SUPPLIERS HATE HIM!

He turned a 9 dollar stock photo

Into a 0 dollar stock photo using

THIS ONE WEIRD TRICK

Yes D0N has promised to refund everyone if the goal is not met. I have no reason not to believe him.

Yes and when it did work all the reports were that it was a clunky shit fest. Somehow Punny Factory was the far superior game.

From the xmas gift for nephew thread:

No, the kickstarter has been canceled and everyone should have received refunds by now

An update in the credit card chargeback saga. A quick refresher, there was some sort of mixup where the credit processor didn't look at Don's evidence, and took Andrews easily disproven lies as true, thus refusing to issue the charge back. You'll remember Andrew using the whole "bank ruled in his favor" as more proof he did nothing wrong.

Well they reviewed the claim again and this time have ruled in Don's favor. I've been asked to share the e-mail PA sent to Don after recieving the news:

December 29 2023

Without prejudice:
Mr. Hopskins,
Oasis Arcade
6880 Heritage PKWY
Lithia Springs, GA 30122
United States
At this time we still have not heard from you in regards to the return of our Punny Factory Engraved
pinball machine.
We have been told on December 24, 2023 from the Square Team on our end that, “The cardholder’s
bank has reviewed your information and decided to resolve the case in your favor, for the disputed
Amount of: $8,840.54
This letter is simply a notification letter. It will serve as proof that you have been contacted, and that the
Punny Factory Pinball Machine that was in question is now our property and need to be shipped back to
us in the same condition as you received it. (of course this would be minus the playfield issues that you
told us about.)
If we do not hear from you or our shipper on a designed timeframe plan for shipping the unit back to us
in the next 7 days, we will be forced to contact the RCMP and make a police report and then with your
state police department and move forward with charges and file with in the legal process.
Please contact our shipping company so we can get this matter settled. You will find them most
accommodating, they can either pick up the unit from your house or a local depot. Please wrap up the
machine and box and skid if you are able. Our shipping company has also agreed to let us know when
the machine has arrived at their depot and video tape opening the machine to record any damages on
the machine to protect everyone.
Contact at our shipping company is as follows: Jeremy: 1-705-309-5145 [email protected]

Sincerely,
Pinball Adventures
Andrew MacBain
As per the laws of chargeback/ returning of goods:
If you open a chargeback and the chargeback is accepted by the credit card company and you keep the
merchandise you're committing fraud. Thefts of less than $950 are treated as misdemeanors, but over $5000 is
treated as felony with imprisonment.

That would be really funny. It's unclear to me if the chargeback really means legally the game now belongs to PA or not as they say in their strongly worded e-mail. Certainly, even if I wanted to be a saint and send them back the game, I would not be willing to package or ship back to Canada on my own time/dime. I'd also personally be pretty worried that even if the game arrived back in the exact condition it left, that Andrew would simply lie and say the game has a bunch of new issues.

Consequences will never be the same!

Dons CC company hasnt even told him he won yet. According to him, the dispute still shows open and waiting for the merchants response. This email from pinball adventures today is dons first indication that he won. He also has no idea or indication of who is responsible for shipping and prep costs, if anyone.

To me, it certainly sounds like more Andrew hot air as well. Defintely an interesting turn of events but nothing is for sure yet.

This case is going all the way to the supreme court thanks to us "pinside troll lawyers"

Pinball Adventures
4:25 PM (2 hours ago)
to me

Without prejudice:

Mr. Hopskins,

Oasis Arcade

6880 Heritage PKWY

Lithia Springs, GA 30122

United States

I will repeat from the last email:

We were told on December 24, 2023 from the Square Team on our end that, “The cardholder’s bank has reviewed your information and decided to resolve the case in your favor, for the

disputed Amount of: $8,840.54. I am sure your credit card company will tell you the same when you call them.

Please contact your credit card company and respond back to us in the next 7 days on your intentions.

In our last email we stated, The refund of your deposit $250.00 will be sent via paypal the day of the pick-up.

However : with a statement like this from your last email, "They may not require me to even return it.

We will go ahead and start the process of filing a police report and then move forward with a Supreme Court Claim against you and your company after the 7 days.

Why you would want to go this route is beyond me. Listening to the pinside troll lawyers on a forum?

You will spend more money on lawyers after this is all said and done.

Pinball Adventures Team

Andrew MacBain

There's a lot of funny things about these e-mails but I really like how Andrew keeps saying "Mr. Hopskins" but it's actually Hopkins

I'm not a lawyer or a pinside troll lawyer but every resource I've looked up online seems to say that a chargeback doesnt behave like a return and you're generally under no obligation to send an item back. If it was me, I'd get my money back, double check everything with the credit card company, and send that thing off the roof. Everything in these e-mails just reads like Andrew trying to do anything he can to minimize his losses. A good way to do that would have been not to send a junk game in the first place and/or offer a solution that would have made the buyer happy. This ain't an infomercial item.

This is sounding more and more to me like the CC dispute isn't settled yet, but Andrew knows hes going to lose, so he's doing everything he can to try and just get the game back before he has no recourse. He should have learned you attract more bees with honey instead of ramping up the police and lawsuit threats that will go nowhere. Sending the game back now just sounds like a recipe for Andrew to weasel his way out of paying a full refund as he suddenly "finds" other flaws in the game and then at that point its too late to get the credit company involved.

From what I understand, the CC company has reached out to Andrew but Andrew hasn't responded yet, so everything in the recent e-mails is essentially another Andrew lie.

He's around still. Posts here and on FB pinball groups occasionally. Gave him a hard time for clown puking his Williams 21 EM recently.

oh no, another fiasco!

I've been informed that D0n has won his credit card dispute and been awarded a chargeback. No mention from the card company that the game needs to be returned. I hope we'll still get to see this game take flight!

Unofficially, yes it would seem

Yeah he's blocked

Fresh Andrew e-mail

Pinball Adventures
2:34 AM (7 hours ago)
to me

We have been informed that your go-between on Pinside (Haymaker) has posted and is reporting that "I've been informed that D0n has won his credit card dispute and been awarded a refund."

Since we now have your confirmation of your refund, please contact our shipping company so we can get this game back to us and the matter settled.
You will find them most accommodating, they will pick up from your house and will find someone to wrap up the game.
We will refund your $250.00 deposit via paypal on the day of the pick-up.
Contact at our shipping company is as follows: Jeremy: 1

I've been struggling a little with this myself. Normally I would say he should send it back. In this case I think I'm willing to make an exception to my morals. Andrew is a shady character and con man himself. D0N has no obligation to send the machine back so I feel like I don't really feel terrible for Andrew given the type of person he is and the shenanigans he's pulled.

Whats funny is that Andrew is acting like it took my message to know a chargeback had occurred, however its clear that Don's CC company was in talks with Andrew, or at least trying to contact him. You'd think it would have been apparent to Andrew that the chargeback had been approved without my message. I don't like how he's trying to twist things to make it seem like he is in the dark about all this, when clearly he isn't.