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Another gofundme: The Pinball Company

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5 years ago


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    #31 5 years ago

    I think there are several potential problems, and they need to be more open, to avoid pitfalls for both themselves and any would be investors.

    They should disclose information about the seemingly not particularly successful Jetsons (run reported to be less than half planned), and discuss what happened. How much did it cost to develop? How much did built inventory cost? How much did it sell for (average - i.e. margin)? What were total sales figures ultimately? If they lost money, or it tied up a lot of capital, how much or how far did it set back the business or impact the rest of their operations, if at all? You could say that was sensitive information, and it was possibly a one-off. But it's something you'd need to disclose to potential investors, IMO, and as this is crowd sourced, it ought to be public.

    What is being presented is a pure sales and dealerships pitch. What has been reported from several different sources is that they are trying again with their own machines, having acquired the license for Scooby Doo. How much did the license cost and what are the terms? What are development cost projections? What are sales numbers and margin projections? After everything is accounted for, what do they expect to make net? How does that compare with projections vs reality for Jetsons? If the reporting is not errant, then they must address this.

    Per their response to one of the questions on the page, they do have debt. When or where did this date from? What was it used to fund? Did the Jetsons project incur some or a large portion of this debt? If this is the case, is this why they are not tapping loan markets at a time when money remains extremely cheap still, because it didn't work out last time? With their sales growth forecasts and healthy margins, with *relatively* modest stated costs for their expansion plans, loans would seem like a better idea, all else being equal.

    Storm clouds are gathering, economically. Several large economies globally are in trouble. The US economy will cool significantly next year and in 2020, whilst interest rates have to go up to combat inflation, and ensure that the ballooning public deficit can be financed, even if it increases the cost of doing so. Things could be ok, but on the other hand they might not be. Valuation seems generous, and sales growth pretty optimistic. If there are significant economic headwinds, they could stagnate or grow only modestly. If there's another crisis, their sales might crater.

    The pinball market is close to saturation now. If DeepRoot manage to deliver on their promises, it is going to be absolutely flooded with machines from early next year. If this comes to pass, a combination of the agony of choice and declining values of games on the secondary market may lead to significantly less than expected revenue from existing product lines that sell well at the moment, and are expected to in future, and / or force margins downwards.

    What contingency plans do they have if either scenario happens? How badly effected would the business need to be before servicing their existing loans became difficult?

    #39 5 years ago
    Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

    This is a really bad idea by GAP.
    I can call and get a pinball machine from anyone I want, Pinballstar, JJ game exchange, Shane, Evan, Marco....

    It's not GAP.

    #44 5 years ago
    Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

    It's not about selling pinball machines. It's about opening barcades around the US. The first one would be in Chicago. Listen to Nic's seminar at Expo. He explains most of it.

    If so, that's another detail they seem to have not mentioned in their pitch (aside from Scooby Doo - if real).

    #89 5 years ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    Investing in brick and mortar?
    Insert that clip from Spider-Man 2 of JK Simmons laughing maniacally here.

    Well it would be interesting to see how it'd do in a CBD type location in a big city like NYC or Chicago. I wouldn't be the one wanting to finance the experiment, though.

    It'd make more sense for Stern to have a showroom, as they could easily absorb the cost, and it'd get their product seen in locations with lots of people with lots of disposable income.

    #91 5 years ago
    Quoted from TreyBo69:

    No, that's a terrible business choice. Stern would then have to build a showroom, hire people to run the showroom, deal with helping their direct customers (more than they already do), and piss off a lot of distributors. All just to make a little bit more money on each sold machine. Not worth the headache for a company with revenue in the tens of millions.

    A showroom need only be a showroom. Anyway, I said *more* sense. Not that it would be a judicious use of capital.

    #110 5 years ago
    Quoted from taylor34:

    I'm sure that both of them are good people and mean well, but after the stuff that's gone on the past few years with public fundraising and preordering in pinball, it doesn't really go over well, lol. That's really the core issue honestly. Maybe 5 years ago it would have been different. Seems like it might just be easier to buy one of the bigger players in the Chicago area, aren't local businesses usually valued at 3x earnings or around that? A million should buy 300k in earnings a year from a business.

    I think the bigger issue is that they have existing interests in barcades, appear to be opening more, are going after the LV Pinball Hall Of Fame, and are reportedly pursuing a second attempt at their own pinball machines after a less than successful first try, whilst only disclosing and making a pitch around retail location expansion and online sales.

    Shouldn't they be covering all facets of their business and plans, especially when the things they're not talking about in the pitch for money are the ones which could potentially have the highest costs and chances of failure?

    #112 5 years ago
    Quoted from j_m_:

    less than 30 mins left. will they meet their goal?!? doesn't show how much they raised of their $10M $8M goal and you have to donate a minimum of $100?? pretty baller move
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    That's a valuation cap of $8M for the first $500k of money pledged / invested, against what they say is their $10M valuation.

    Unclear what their goal is.

    They've raised $19,800 so far.

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