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Announcing Pinside Shops!


By robin

3 years ago



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    #101 3 years ago

    After hearing the constructive thoughts of many members, and discussing it with the Pinside Staff, a decision was made to give every donating member the option to hide the Pinside Store Promo Box.

    For as little as $5/year, you can become a donating member and have the option to hide the feature.

    Thanks to everyone who has participated in this discussion.

    Marcus

    #102 3 years ago

    Thank you. I think that's a fair compromise.

    #103 3 years ago
    Quoted from audihere:

    WoZ sling shot plastic protectors.

    Ok I took a look. There are actually two shipping prices--one for domestic US shipping, and one for international shipping. If you don't have a shipping address entered, it looks like it defaults to international. I left a note for Robin to take a look at this.

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    #104 3 years ago
    Quoted from dung:

    Love the logic. Its only insert small amount. Except its not only that.
    Its only 15 dollars to get into the pinball tournament that happened last weekend. Plus another 10 for food. Its only coin drop every week to play in either of two weekly leagues. Its only 10 dollars + coin drop to enter into either of those leagues monthly tournaments.
    Its death by a thousand cuts. You say 35 dollars a year isn't much, great for you. I'd rather spend that 35 bucks on parts to improve my collection. You know what costs 35 bucks? 4 Bally ribbed flipper bats. I know, just had to order some for the radical I am keeping. Or how about 4 translucent spot targets that are commonly broken and yet nla? Game needs 8, but 4 of them are not to be found.
    Going through and shopping my entire collection right now. Hundreds and hundreds of dollars going out. Mystery castle I am at 160 and that is just leds and spot targets. Need to figure out how to make parts to rebuild the flippers. Still need to get rubber. Still trying to track down a source for any of the broken plastics, cracked ramps, or other misc parts.
    So yeah, every spare dime I have and several hours a day after work get poured into this hobby; but hey go tell me how to spend my money more why don't you. As for making it possible? My game came from RGP. Pinsiders wanted 4500 for an unshopped one with a bad sound board or 6k for one that is claimed to be huo. The people who have been helping me with parts are on facebook and rgp. The information on what i can substitute comes from rgp. So aside from another place to chat, pinside is not making any of this possible.
    For anyone who doesn't read the whole thread I am 100 percent fine with the ads. They aren't hurting anyone.

    Dude....you've owned 51 pinball machines....most of which are valued in multiple thousands. Give me break. God forbid you waste $3 a month on the world's largest pinball site.....a site geared around the hobby you spend all of your time and money on.

    Just one (one) of those games could cover your annual cost to be a plus member here for over 100 years!

    #105 3 years ago

    For me, the worst part about all this is seeing all the misspellings of the word "ad."

    It's not "adds," it's "ads." Short for "advertisements." Note the single "d." Good grief!

    I pay for TiVo so I can skip TV commercials. Skipping these ads is free, simply don't look at them!

    #106 3 years ago
    Quoted from Xerico:

    After hearing the constructive thoughts of many members, and discussing it with the Pinside Staff, a decision was made to give every donating member the option to hide the Pinside Store Promo Box.
    For as little as $5/year, you can become a donating member and have the option to hide the feature.
    Thanks to everyone who has participated in this discussion.
    Marcus

    Thank god, now can everyone relax a bit? I know I have the option but I will be leaving the ads on, if they get the algorithm down I think it could expose me to some useful items in the future that I may have missed otherwise.

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    #107 3 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    Pinside has been born on the backs of the community! Robin has done a great job with the interface and functionality, but the content is owned by all of us that contribute. Having your hand forced to pay or see more junk is a slap in the face to many (as it should be) from someone that opted to already take our content and turn it into a business.

    hilton I had to thumbs down you on this. you're making it sound like robin was an egyptian lord and we were all slaves bowing to his whim. how about "pinside was built as a community-driven site and it's members and moderators made it what it is today"

    yes, we all hate change and I agree that I didn't like the fact that it was [initially] being forced onto me via gorilla-warfare style without an option to disable it. and yes, while I understand that the color choice was probably made to call attention to it, the color choice was so [out there] that it struck more like a pornsite pop-up

    I think that the site itself is fantastic and I'm happy to donate on a yearly basis for the wealth of knowledge that can be found here but hope that changes that impact us to this level can maybe be tested in a more controlled environment and we, the members are asked for our opinions before moving forward

    #108 3 years ago

    Capitalism on Pinside. What next?

    #109 3 years ago
    Quoted from Matesamo:

    I know I have the option but I will be leaving the ads on, if they get the algorithm down I think it could expose me to some useful items in the future that I may have missed otherwise.

    Yep, I'll be leaving them on, it will be useful once more items get added.

    #110 3 years ago
    Quoted from j_m_:

    how about "pinside was built as a community-driven site and it's members and moderators made it what it is today

    that would be a more eloquent way to say it, but we all know I am not very good in that department... You still got the point.

    #111 3 years ago

    As a buyer, once you go into a Pinside shop, I'd like to see a way to browse all items without having to back in and out of each category. It's the main thing that's prevented me from looking at at lot of the wares so far. (Edit: I did find the way to browse all items in all shops, which is great, but that should probably be available inside each shop also).

    -E

    #112 3 years ago

    I like the "idea" of pinside shops... but as a seller; I'm not sure I can afford the 5% commission in addition to paypal fees.
    Can we charge more on pinside shops than offered on our own site?

    #113 3 years ago
    Quoted from dung:

    some of us are already spending nearly every dime we have on the hobby already.

    At least you have your priorities in check.

    #114 3 years ago

    The site is a great tool for all pinheads the option is there to pay or not you guys are doing pinball a great service either way keep up the good work.After all it's your site we're all just your guests thanks again

    #115 3 years ago

    Robin is AWESOME and I love his innovations to the site!

    #116 3 years ago

    I can't believe anyone would complain about a site that gives in spades and can be used for free.

    Don't like it? Use other avenues on the internet to explore your Pinball interests.

    #117 3 years ago
    Quoted from Matesamo:

    Thank god, now can everyone relax a bit? I know I have the option but I will be leaving the ads on, if they get the algorithm down I think it could expose me to some useful items in the future that I may have missed otherwise.

    Amen. People can find anything to get up in arms about. Seriously, these are constantly changing advertisements specifically about the hobby you supposedly love.

    #118 3 years ago
    Quoted from 27dnast:

    I can't believe anyone would complain about a site that gives in spades and can be used for free.
    Don't like it? Use other avenues on the internet to explore your Pinball interests.

    My only question about the whole thing is that I don't understand quite why this forum is setup where the users pay for sales like ebay, but every other forum is setup where businesses basically support the forum. Like I would much rather have ads on the site then have to pay $50 every time I sell a game from here. This is the only forum that I've sold stuff on in my 20 years of selling stuff online that I've had to pay commission on. I would think this forum could be setup similar to the corvette forum, advertisers on the side, users sell for free, people selling on the forum have to pay $$$. Users are protected, businesses pay instead of the other way around. Not that I don't think pinside great mind you, but it does seem like the 'money' aspect of it is backwards to a degree.

    #119 3 years ago

    Just stopping in to voice my thoughts.

    I'm part of very few communities and forums, but in all honesty, this forum has kinda become a second (Internet) home to me. When I'm mad, I come here, when I need a distraction, I'll stop by, if I need a pick me up, bam, I'll see what the news is here.

    I've never seen such a community with such a close relationship with other users, moderators, and site founders. It's incredible (in a good way). I love how everyone just loves to hate on Keneda, or how "choggard" is now a verb. I seriously can't think of one single other site with that type of culture.

    At the end of the day, I just think we should all be lucky to have such a responsive team working to keep this type of relationship well and good. If I have to look at a couple of pinball ads to keep it going, I'm 110% ok with that, so thank you team for giving us a chance to actively have input on things like this.

    **Also, I totally respect others for voicing their thoughts against the change. It's all part of the site's charm.

    #120 3 years ago
    Quoted from taylor34:

    My only question about the whole thing is that I don't understand quite why this forum is setup where the users pay for sales like ebay, but every other forum is setup where businesses basically support the forum. Like I would much rather have ads on the site then have to pay $50 every time I sell a game from here. This is the only forum that I've sold stuff on in my 20 years of selling stuff online that I've had to pay commission on. I would think this forum could be setup similar to the corvette forum, advertisers on the side, users sell for free, people selling on the forum have to pay $$$. Users are protected, businesses pay instead of the other way around. Not that I don't think pinside great mind you, but it does seem like the 'money' aspect of it is backwards to a degree.

    If you use ebay to sell stuff, you've paid a commission fee.

    The max fee in the marketplace is actually $35 ($26 if you donate), for games somewhere around $4500 or more...I forget exactly where the cutoff was for each tier.

    For games with lower prices, the fee is less. Overall, the fee ends up being around a tenth of a percent (0.1%). A far better bargain than ebay's 10% seller's/commission fee , IMHO.

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    It's just like an auction or consignment shop. You put the item up for sale, pay a small commission fee if it sells, or simply take it home if it doesn't.

    I find external advertising annoying, intrusive, and sometimes a source for malware. Plus, it earns basically nothing these days, especially with everyone using ad blockers (because it's intrusive, annoying, and can be a source for malware). I'm not too keen on mandatory membership fees either that deny access to free users. Donating to the site here grants you a few extra perks and features, but otherwise, the site is basically fully accessible and free to use. The way the marketplace operates seems like a reasonable trade-off to me--no up-front cost, plenty of eyeballs looking at your ad, and only a couple bucks when a multi-thousand dollar game sells.

    #121 3 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    If you use ebay to sell stuff, you've paid a commission fee.
    The max fee in the marketplace is actually $35 ($26 if you donate), for games somewhere around $4500 or more...I forget exactly where the cutoff was for each tier.
    For games with lower prices, the fee is less. Overall, the fee ends up being around a tenth of a percent (0.1%). A far better bargain than ebay's 10% seller's/commission fee , IMHO.

    It's just like an auction or consignment shop. You put the item up for sale, pay a small commission fee if it sells, or simply take it home if it doesn't.
    I find external advertising annoying, intrusive, and sometimes a source for malware. Plus, it earns basically nothing these days, especially with everyone using ad blockers (because it's intrusive, annoying, and can be a source for malware). I'm not too keen on mandatory membership fees either that deny access to free users. Donating to the site here grants you a few extra perks and features, but otherwise, the site is basically fully accessible and free to use. The way the marketplace operates seems like a reasonable trade-off to me--no up-front cost, plenty of eyeballs looking at your ad, and only a couple bucks when a multi-thousand dollar game sells.

    I sold a corvette on the corvette forum a few years ago. The fee? $0. Forum sponsors (businesses who sell stuff) pay a yearly fee plus some sort of monthly thing to be featured. They only run corvette related ads for the most part, so it's not really that obtrusive. I've also been on forums where $25 a year buys ad free browsing and free has ads, I'm also ok with that.

    #122 3 years ago

    I think the bigger problem outside of the commission I voiced my concern about is the "inventory" aspect.
    My Ecommerce site uses inventory to make sure we don't sell more than we have in stock.

    Selling on Pinside appears to negate that inventory system since everything is handled on the Pinside servers.
    This will be difficult to manage the inventory between these two systems.

    Robin, I'm ok with the change in general - but please consider developing an api with documentation so we can merge that api with our existing ecommerce systems. As it stands right now; I can't see using Pinside shops to sell products in the shop; because of this issue.

    #123 3 years ago

    I like the ads. Thank you!

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    #124 3 years ago
    Quoted from taylor34:

    My only question about the whole thing is that I don't understand quite why this forum is setup where the users pay for sales like ebay, but every other forum is setup where businesses basically support the forum.

    The answer is simple. Independence. In order to be a free forum (free as in 'free speech' not 'free beer') we made a conscious decision to not seek or accept 'sponsorship' from any big companies. The way Pinside is set up now ensures us being independent (no obligations or any appearances of conflict of interest).

    Sure, there are quite a few companies on Pinside who are supporting us through donations and sales fees but none have any definitive 'say' in how I run the site. And that is good news for all of our 35,000+ members (and many more non-members) who come to Pinside to read the good, the bad and the (sometimes) ugly.

    Imagine if one or two of the larger pinball companies would pay the bills for us. We would become dependent on them. And then when someone posted something in the forums that these companies didn't like (hard to believe, but it does happen occasionally) they would have the power to force me to remove such content. Pinside would quickly turn into a Facebook comments page.

    That not a position I want the site to be in. And that's why we decided that the whole community should all contribute a little. More recently (since Expo 2014) we have been trying to distribute this a bit more fairly: those who make money using the site should contribute a bit more too.

    I hope that explains our (according to some unusual) angle to making Pinside sustainable and profitable.

    Quoted from Zitt:

    Robin, I'm ok with the change in general - but please consider developing an api with documentation so we can merge that api with our existing ecommerce systems.

    I hear you. We are working on an API. We would love to connect Pinside to cool apps, like the awesome Pindigo app. But there's only so many hours in a day. It's coming though.

    Possibly a quicker way to get this working for you would be to let us connect to your e-commerce, but I guess it would be best to continue that conversation via PM. This also goes for other parties with an interest.

    Quoted from mbaumle:

    I've never seen such a community with such a close relationship with other users, moderators, and site founders. It's incredible (in a good way).

    That's a sharp observation. And, quite frankly, it is pretty cool indeed. I've never had this kind of relation with end users in my previous career as a software engineer and UI designer. The huge growth in users makes it challenging sometimes and our members can be very passionate (which I guess is a good thing), but I hope everyone realises it's my #1 priority to run a fun community site.

    #125 3 years ago

    Some APIs would indeed be cool. I hope you weren't offended by my earlier posts Robin, I just felt strongly about my point. I do appreciate you running this site for all of us and still would like to donate (to donate) once it is again feasible for me to do so. I also appreciate the sentiment of the "requirements" being lowered, whether or not that changes what I said.

    Back to APIs and whatnot, I am curious on what your stance on third-party apps is - not meaning intrusive ones that remove ads or anything like that like mentioned earlier, but ones that change/modify the site without removing things like that. Not sure if you're familar with Reddit, but somebody (or a team perhaps) developed a very nice mod that a very large portion of the site uses (http://redditenhancementsuite.com/features/), and was just curious on how you'd feel about something like this. Not saying I'm the one to do it, I'm just asking out of curiosity for the future. I don't think there is much of a negative effect by things like that besides possibly unofficial treading on future planned official features (unintentionally) you plan to also offer to donators. The reason I ask is because I'd possibly consider releasing a browser app to add some theme-support & other customizable features, that do not invade over the things you've set out (like ads).

    I love working with APIs among other things. Some theme selection in the future would be cool, I'm sure a few simple color changes (blue theme, red theme, etc.) not even including more advanced themes would go a long way for a lot of people.

    For example, I'm currently rocking the holiday spirit:

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    #126 3 years ago

    At least it's all pinball related. Pink is OK. All the better to ... well, apologies to Schultz, he said it first, many years ago...

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    #127 3 years ago

    Holy Shit! Just read through this being out Yesterday!

    All the complaints should go away, if its only a $5 a year donation to turn them off!

    Or better yet, "dont look" or dont give $5 and use software...jeesh!

    This will gain in popularity, and ads, and Ill give it time to watch it evolve, and then lets see how it does.

    Youd think that this addition was so awful, and threatening, the solution some see needed is to build a wall around it!

    Its Freakin Pinball Guys!! Look at all the change thats coming! dont sweat this one!

    Suggestions....thumbnail picture required...white background....pretty standard, easier to see these, especially if they will be the same ad up all the time.
    Scroll arrows...or did I miss that?

    #128 3 years ago
    Quoted from robin:

    The answer is simple. Independence. In order to be a free forum (free as in 'free speech' not 'free beer')

    Ouch, the coffee shooting out of my nose burns.

    -1
    #129 3 years ago
    Quoted from Astropin:

    Dude....you've owned 51 pinball machines....most of which are valued in multiple thousands. Give me break. God forbid you waste $3 a month on the world's largest pinball site.....a site geared around the hobby you spend all of your time and money on.
    Just one (one) of those games could cover your annual cost to be a plus member here for over 100 years!

    The majority of what I buy is un-shopped, often total projects. I also end up selling off things regularly to afford this hobby. That is why I have had 51. The money from those sales either got spent on real life butting in like after the first 22 machines I sold out everything, then used the money to live off of while I finished grad school. Then earlier this year I sold out 3 machines of the 6 i owned to afford moving across the country with my gf so she can do the internship for her phd. The reason I am up to seven now was from selling and trading off to get even more projects. So, again stop assuming you know jack squat about me. If you believe in the site that much go throw a few hundred at Robin and leave me be.

    #130 3 years ago
    Quoted from robin:

    The answer is simple. Independence. In order to be a free forum (free as in 'free speech' not 'free beer') we made a conscious decision to not seek or accept 'sponsorship' from any big companies. The way Pinside is set up now ensures us being independent (no obligations or any appearances of conflict of interest).
    Sure, there are quite a few companies on Pinside who are supporting us through donations and sales fees but none have any definitive 'say' in how I run the site. And that is good news for all of our 35,000+ members (and many more non-members) who come to Pinside to read the good, the bad and the (sometimes) ugly.
    Imagine if one or two of the larger pinball companies would pay the bills for us. We would become dependent on them. And then when someone posted something in the forums that these companies didn't like (hard to believe, but it does happen occasionally) they would have the power to force me to remove such content. Pinside would quickly turn into a Facebook comments page.
    That not a position I want the site to be in. And that's why we decided that the whole community should all contribute a little. More recently (since Expo 2014) we have been trying to distribute this a bit more fairly: those who make money using the site should contribute a bit more too.
    I hope that explains our (according to some unusual) angle to making Pinside sustainable and profitable.

    I totally understand what you're saying, but how can:

    corvette forum
    avs forum
    operation sports
    ultimate guitar
    etc

    Forums that theoretically would have the exact same problem, but don't. That's all I was asking, how can 99% of internet forums not have this issue, but pinside does? People bash the major players all the time on those forums.

    I also kind of laugh at some of the malware claims from some of other posters in this thread, almost every single website you visit has ads on it including all other forums, so are people just not visiting anywhere but pinside?

    #131 3 years ago
    Quoted from taylor34:

    I also kind of laugh at some of the malware claims from some of other posters in this thread, almost every single website you visit has ads on it including all other forums, so are people just not visiting anywhere but pinside?

    That only shows you're ignorant of the ad market and how it's been used to deliver malware. Here are some articles to help fix that: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=malware+via+ads

    The key is CONTROL. You don't have it in the traditional ad model.

    #132 3 years ago

    Robin has to monetize as many aspects of the site as possible in order to keep paychecks flowing now that he and others depend on the income.

    My advice to shop owners is to realize this can be a positive benefit for you. For the above mentioned reason, It's in Pinside's best interest to bring buyers to your storefronts. Shop owners can leverage that. I'll leave it up to you guys to figure that out, but start by thinking about visitor metrics, etc... information you need to gather to maintain a growing storefront.

    #133 3 years ago

    I don't mind the way the ads are today. They are down and out of the way - I like that. Some of the banners on the images are now removed. Glad that Robin is listening to input and making adjustments. I DO look at these ads once in a while because I'm a mod addict as well as a pinball addict. However, they still do not prioritize correctly for me from what I see. If a game is listed in the thread, that part works. If not, I still just get random stuff. Is that because I have my privacy set for only people with apprentice status seeing my game collection? Do I need to set that for everyone to see? The privacy setting for that is not important to me, but I think the algorithm should read your game collection and wishlist as the next priorities no matter what your privacy setting is. Just my input. Is this a bug still, or by design based on privacy?

    #135 3 years ago
    Quoted from taylor34:

    Forums that theoretically would have the exact same problem, but don't. That's all I was asking, how can 99% of internet forums not have this issue, but pinside does? People bash the major players all the time on those forums.

    Not every market is the same. Maybe the major players on those markets have a thicker skin? Maybe they are simply too busy to read the forums? Who knows... I think a lot of Pinsiders here can tell you that in a market as conservative as pinball things aren't quite that simple. Major players on the pinball market are reading these forums and they do very much care on what's being written here. And if they had any say on what's being posted on Pinside a lot of stuff you are reading about today might simply not be acceptable.

    Of course we will never know for sure but rest assured that this decision made by Robin was a very conscious one. And I think in today's world any effort to not go 'the easy route' should be applauded as this doesn't seem to be commonplace anymore.

    Quoted from KingBW:

    I don't mind the way the ads are today. They are down and out of the way - I like that. Some of the banners on the images are now removed. Glad that Robin is listening to input and making adjustments. I DO look at these ads once in a while because I'm a mod addict as well as a pinball addict. However, they still do not prioritize correctly for me from what I see. If a game is listed in the thread, that part works. If not, I still just get random stuff. Is that because I have my privacy set for only people with apprentice status seeing my game collection? Do I need to set that for everyone to see? The privacy setting for that is not important to me, but I think the algorithm should read your game collection and wishlist as the next priorities no matter what your privacy setting is. Just my input. Is this a bug still, or by design based on privacy?

    Correct, we're still working on the refining the algorithm. It takes some time, but will get better over the days to come. And this hasn't got anything to do with your privacy setting, the algorithm doesn't take this in account as you're the only one it's aimed at.

    #136 3 years ago

    OMG! Are people really bitching about this?? I couldn't even find what everyone was talking about until I scrolled all the way down to see the ads. I think this is GREAT!

    #137 3 years ago

    I haven't read this entire post to know if there's caps to commission rates, I just saw mention that commission was 5% per sale.

    Personally I'd be all over listing items if it was 3% commission per sale. 5% is reasonable but has me sort of weighing the pros and cons and I'd have to either be more selective about which items to put up or bump the price up slightly from the direct "website price" -- which is fine as long as that's allowed. But I just wonder if having the commission at 3% would gain you more than you'd lose in not having a higher commission. I've wondered the same with Amazon's online movie rentals -- at $5-6 for an online rental that goes away 48hrs after watching it, no thanks. I'll go to Redbox or wait for it to be free on Amazon Prime. But at $2 I'd be renting movies all day long.. and when the $0.99 movies come up I'm renting crap I wouldn't normally watch "just because"

    Could also have an option for the Stores where there's a set monthly fee & then lower commissions (like eBay Stores).

    The ads in their current placement don't bother me really.

    Just my 2 cents at this point.

    #138 3 years ago

    One more thought, FWIW. You could allow everyone to start a Store and basically do a "no commission" thing for the first $100 or $200 in sales (or whatever the number became). Once they hit that number, then they start getting charged commission. Gives new Store users a feel for the system that otherwise might not try it -- would probably increase sign-ups for the Store quite a bit and ultimately convert to more users.

    #139 3 years ago
    Quoted from mbaumle:

    I love how everyone just loves to hate on Keneda, or how "choggard" is now a verb. I seriously can't think of one single other site with that type of culture.

    I've been verb'ed on a forum before..

    *sigh*

    *edit* Posted without reading the rest. The lighter pink is MUCH easier on the eyes, so thanks for that. Also, as I said I would in my thread I started, since we're given the ability to disable it for making *ANY* donation, I'll up my donation to somewhere between what I was doing and the + amount. I think that's an extremely fair compromise for me to make. I don't want to be an uneven contributor/consumer of bandwidth, and after looking at average useage for hours/bandwidth for general browsing...I probably have been.

    #140 3 years ago

    Ads on the internet? OUTrageous!

    #141 3 years ago
    Quoted from robin:

    And then when someone posted something in the forums that these companies didn't like (hard to believe, but it does happen occasionally) they would have the power to force me to remove such content.

    But this has actually happened - you've removed content at the request of Stern when other forums did not. I get that this thread is more on the topic of ads and keeping the lights on at Pinside HQ, but the above statement is flatly wrong.

    You're not technically beholden to them financially, but you cater to their requests when others do not.

    #142 3 years ago
    Quoted from taylor34:

    Forums that theoretically would have the exact same problem, but don't. That's all I was asking, how can 99% of internet forums not have this issue, but pinside does? People bash the major players all the time on those forums.

    It's a huge issue. Maybe you don't see the sausage being made, but in most sites with commercial sponsors, influencing content is a huge point of contention. It's one reason why often sites try to split commercial activity vs user driven activity... as a compromise they let sponsors have a bit of a controlled space where stuff can be scrubbed or limited to keep the positive selling experience. Or keep users who stalk them in attempts to tarnish them away.

    Quoted from taylor34:

    I also kind of laugh at some of the malware claims from some of other posters in this thread, almost every single website you visit has ads on it including all other forums, so are people just not visiting anywhere but pinside?

    Maybe the clean, ad-free, experience is part of why they liked pinside before. Just because others have bent over.. doesn't mean its the best path.

    #143 3 years ago
    Quoted from spfxted:

    OMG! Are people really bitching about this?? I couldn't even find what everyone was talking about until I scrolled all the way down to see the ads. I think this is GREAT!

    because you missed the earlier incarnations What you see now is the refinement afterwards...

    Don't forget that context

    #144 3 years ago
    Quoted from jwilson:

    But this has actually happened - you've removed content at the request of Stern when other forums did not. I get that this thread is more on the topic of ads and keeping the lights on at Pinside HQ, but the above statement is flatly wrong.
    You're not technically beholden to them financially, but you cater to their requests when others do not.

    The difference is robin has made that choice based on HIS decision - not through an obligation.

    The difference between maintaining a friendly relation and being strongarmed.

    #145 3 years ago
    Quoted from jwilson:

    But this has actually happened - you've removed content at the request of Stern when other forums did not. I get that this thread is more on the topic of ads and keeping the lights on at Pinside HQ, but the above statement is flatly wrong.
    You're not technically beholden to them financially, but you cater to their requests when others do not.

    You are correct. Pinside does occasionally work with manufacturers when we feel that it is in the best interest of pinball. That decision is made as a staff and all viewpoints are considered. When we do decide to remove content, it is done so only after in depth discussion.

    But we are not beholden to the manufacturers. There are many situations that never make it to the public discussions that did not end in a manner that was desired by a manufacturer. We do not remove content just to satisfy the whim of an individual or a manufacturer.

    If you wish to continue to have this discussion, please open a moderator feedback thread.

    Moving forward in this thread, please keep additional comments in this thread on topic.

    Thanks.

    Marcus

    #146 3 years ago

    Hi Robin,
    Great job on everything. I write web software for a living and I am always impressed with how much nicer this is than anything I have online Pinside a great resource with tons of custom features. It truly benefits from your daily attention.

    I'm glad that I can make such a small donation ($25 last year and $35 come January) and have all the features. I have learned a lot here and sold a few machines. Totally worth every penny. I treat it like a membership. I also pay for access to other sites to hide ads and just generally support the positive things I see in the world.

    Some people don't like paying for things they can scrape for free even if contributions are the main form of support. Here in the states public radio stations estimate that only about 10% of the daily listeners actually contribute. Some people also download movies and music, they hack software and distribute ROMS when most of it can be bought legitimately online.

    Many of these same people wouldn't even blink at spending the same money on a few drinks or a couple of flipper coils. They just don't feel this is worth their money and really hate that their impecunious behavior is reflected in that side bar. Maybe if you gave out free hearts to the most bombastic they wouldn't have come here to defend their character.

    Quoted from robin:

    35,000+ members

    Incredible, I thought there were just the 100 or so that post a lot

    #147 3 years ago

    I would still rather see the ad box below the reply box. Seems like you're punishing those who participate, the lurkers don't have to scroll down so far.

    #148 3 years ago

    is there a way to change a setting for a modders product development threads to turn off the shop bar for your viewers as it conflicts with the gear that you are developing - a bit of a negative

    cool with the bar being there in general threads or in club threads as could be handy.

    also maybe make the bar slideable so say when you go to a GB thread it shows all the GB mods as currently on my computer it shows 6 shop adds and would be nice to do a slide through all 20 available saving me and others to go to a different section.

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    #149 3 years ago
    Quoted from jwilson:

    But this has actually happened - you've removed content at the request of Stern when other forums did not. I get that this thread is more on the topic of ads and keeping the lights on at Pinside HQ, but the above statement is flatly wrong.
    You're not technically beholden to them financially, but you cater to their requests when others do not.

    Yeah, it's a nice little thing to write, but let's be honest about what really happens. Big Pinball Company sends Robin an email, and he removes something because he doesn't want to rock the boat. I know because it happened to my post, anyone remember my Smaug cabinet mockup? It wasn't breaking any rules, it was just embarrassing and inconvenient for JJP. So it was deleted from Pinside.

    Whatever, life goes on, but this notion that not selling ads somehow protects freedom is nonsense. Clearly that's not the case. If you can't stand on principle over something that small then you don't really have any credibility on the matter.

    Honestly I wish Pinside would just run ads and get it over with. Make money! It's okay with me, this site takes a lot of work. All this monetization stuff is just f**king up the site though. I'm still annoyed about the banning of posting images in the local sale threads, all to try and force people through the classifieds section so Pinside can get their cut. I've got a heart+, I donate and support, and that kind of pettiness is lame.

    #150 3 years ago

    you ever just have one of those "bad ideas" pop into your head?

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