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Quoted from Stu:Correct, for this particular title we (CPR) are splitting the run with PPS, so once we received the amount of PF's we are allowed to sell the balance will go to PPS. Any of the customers that we can not serve will be forwarded off to PPS.....
Is there an overall # of pf's to be made or just cpr can make 200?
Vancouver
Quoted from aeonblack:Which I did, and never got a reply to, because the email they had associated with TOTAN is no longer active, so I sent it to their main inbox, and never got a reply. Seeing as most people have gotten replies, I have no idea whether or not I am verified as a pre-order at this point. For someone who is putting a lot of weight into actually reading posts, you should try it out yourself.
The fact of the matter is, this new pre-order system isn't perfect. The above TAF issue is another case in point.
My circumstance is similar. In March of 2012 I sent an email under the old system, committing to a Totan playfield. I didn't receive a confirmation email at that time, but I don't think they were sent under the old system anyway. Having read Kevin's post, and with Totan orders now full, yesterday I sent an email to the general inbox at CPR attaching my earlier email of 2012 and restating my commitment to buy a PF. I didn't receive a confirmation, but I expect that is because I had to send my email to CPR's general inbox, rather than a currently open playfield-specific mailbox. Anyway, I trust I am grandfathered in, but without a confirmation I can't be sure. Fingers crossed.
Quoted from Stu:That info is private, sorry....
This contradicts what was said earlier, about wanting to know how many people are interested so that you know how many playfields you need to make.
Whichever way it is doesn't matter to me, but I am curious which is the correct answer. 
Fort Smith, AR
There are so many entitlement babies on here. There was a time where the only way you could get a nos playfield was to hunt for months or years. No one was making repro playfields etc....I appreciate CPR and have bought several things and will do so in the future but damn they can't make everything......
Quoted from Jay-T:My circumstance is similar. In March of 2012 I sent an email under the old system, committing to a Totan playfield. I didn't receive a confirmation email at that time, but I don't think they were sent under the old system anyway. Having read Kevin's post, and with Totan orders now full, yesterday I sent an email to the general inbox at CPR attaching my earlier email of 2012 and restating my commitment to buy a PF. I didn't receive a confirmation, but I expect that is because I had to send my email to CPR's general inbox, rather than a currently open playfield-specific mailbox. Anyway, I trust I am grandfathered in, but without a confirmation I can't be sure. Fingers crossed.
UPDATE - I just received a confirmation. Thanks CPR!
Quoted from Coyote:This contradicts what was said earlier, about wanting to know how many people are interested so that you know how many playfields you need to make.
Whichever way it is doesn't matter to me, but I am curious which is the correct answer.
Coyote...the way I read it was they are trying to figure out how many people are interested in a number of playfields, not just TAF. Seems that some playfields may not be worth running if they have only a few people interested.
Quoted from burningman:Coyote...the way I read it was they are trying to figure out how many people are interested in a number of playfields, not just TAF. Seems that some playfields may not be worth running if they have only a few people interested.
Ah, okay then! Was worried that they were limiting production - I mean, making less than the folks that showed interested! I don't need any fields now, but in the future I likely will.
Quoted from burningman:the way I read it was they are trying to figure out how many people are interested in a number of playfields, not just TAF. Seems that some playfields may not be worth running if they have only a few people interested.
Without getting into too much internal detail - this TAF run is a rare rare exception.
CPR preordering would normally be open-ended, and IS indeed to get our precise build count when it comes production time. Absolutely.
But - This TAF run was fixed in number from the get-go. (That number is indeed private, and will remain private as Stu said) Reason being, it is a run that was brought back from the brink of death. IPB was going to run these at the end of 2014. Then a sharp turn in their plans... We all know what happened to IPB. So the TAF run died.
Now all those gameboard panels, the inserts, the artwork, the third party licensing packages, and the Williams approval - everything that IPB had lined up (and unfortunately lost), have been torch-passed to us.
So CPR is going to rescue what was the former "late 2014 IPB run".
There IS a cap on this particular run (set by the IPB supplies load). We will stop taking preorders and close the inbox when the run is spoken for. There are still plenty of slots left. It's not a small run. But right now, all the "CPR" slots are spoken for. They filled in about 10 hours. Anyone preordering at this point is falling into the PPS slot spots. Same playfields. Same run. They'll just ship from two different locations.
So the preorder inbox is still there, taking promises as normal. Nothing changes. But this one will have a cap where we have to stop taking preorders at some point. Weird, I know. But now you all can understand why it can't just go onto infinity. This run is resting in a ready-go state. It's only down to who is going to be their owners...
Which is great news, because this means the TAF run won't even come CLOSE to an 18-month window.
More like a third of that !
KEVIN
Classic Playfield Reproductions
http://www.classicplayfields.com
Quoted from KevinCPR:We all know what happened to IPB.
PPS should have this printed on t-shirts.
Quoted from KevinCPR:Without getting into too much internal detail - this TAF run is a rare rare exception.
CPR preordering would normally be open-ended, and IS indeed to get our precise build count when it comes production time. Absolutely.
But - This TAF run was fixed in number from the get-go. (That number is indeed private, and will remain private as Stu said) Reason being, it is a run that was brought back from the brink of death. IPB was going to run these at the end of 2014. Then a sharp turn in their plans... We all know what happened to IPB. So the TAF run died.
Now all those gameboard panels, the inserts, the artwork, the third party licensing packages, and the Williams approval - everything that IPB had lined up (and unfortunately lost), have been torch-passed to us.
So CPR is going to rescue what was the former "late 2014 IPB run".
There IS a cap on this particular run (set by the IPB supplies load). We will stop taking preorders and close the inbox when the run is spoken for. There are still plenty of slots left. It's not a small run. But right now, all the "CPR" slots are spoken for. They filled in about 10 hours. Anyone preordering at this point is falling into the PPS slot spots. Same playfields. Same run. They'll just ship from two different locations.
So the preorder inbox is still there, taking promises as normal. Nothing changes. But this one will have a cap where we have to stop taking preorders at some point. Weird, I know. But now you all can understand why it can't just go onto infinity. This run is resting in a ready-go state. It's only down to who is going to be their owners...
Which is great news, because this means the TAF run won't even come CLOSE to an 18-month window.
More like a third of that !
KEVIN
Classic Playfield Reproductions
http://www.classicplayfields.com
Are you making the entire run and only directly selling X or are you only making the ones you are going to sell directly?
Quoted from lordloss:Are you making the entire run and only directly selling X or are you only making the ones you are going to sell directly?
Quoted from KevinCPR:Same playfields. Same run. They'll just ship from two different locations.
Quoted from KevinCPR:So CPR is going to rescue what was the former "late 2014 IPB run".
Will corrections from previous IPB TAF runs be made for this run or are boards already cut and dimpled?
In other words are these new CPR TAF pfs a 100% CPR product with just stock materials provided or are they a WIP that is being taken over?
thanks
Quoted from Whysnow:Will corrections from previous IPB TAF runs be made for this run or are boards already cut and dimpled?
In other words are these new CPR TAF pfs a 100% CPR product with just stock materials provided or are they a WIP that is being taken over?
Good questions.....
Quoted from Whysnow:Will corrections from previous IPB TAF runs be made for this run or are boards already cut and dimpled?
In other words are these new CPR TAF pfs a 100% CPR product with just stock materials provided or are they a WIP that is being taken over?
thanks
Worth quoting again.
Not that it would be a deal killer, especially at that price, but....???
Quoted from Jay-T:UPDATE - I just received a confirmation. Thanks CPR!
I received mine as well. So, I know I'm in on the PF, but what I am uncertain of is whether or not i'm in 100% with my email committal to buy, or if this run is going to be a 60-70% run and I may or may not get a pf. Because there was no "hard commitment" in place for TOTAN (and because it was closed and the mailbox shut down), I have not actually given a hard commitment. I got on the site pretty fast after the announcement, and it was already changed, so I have to assume that nobody who is in on TOTAN gave a hard commitment (like some of the other titles up there).
Anyways, I'm just accepting at this point that all is well. I just don't want to miss out on a playfield that i'm 100% commited to buying because of what amounts to a clerical error.
We are receiving Blank Wood Panels, we will do all the cutting.
Quoted from Whysnow:Will corrections from previous IPB TAF runs be made for this run or are boards already cut and dimpled?
Quoted from Whysnow:GREAT NEWS!!!
Super pumped that this is happening and YOU are doing it!
Yup, I'm sold. Going to throw my hat into the ring and get my name on the list now. 
For the CPR folks - one thing I personally would like is a timeframe. I know all the ones posted are "within 18 months", and the ones that are closed and being made are great- they show their progress. But for the open ones (like TAF, etc), it'd be neat to see if we're within 30 days of starting, 60? 12 months? etc. That way, I can mark it on my calendar so that a year from now, I'm not going, "Woah, fudge! I forgot I signed up for this!"..
Quoted from Whysnow:are these new CPR TAF pfs a 100% CPR product with just stock materials provided
Correct.
The gameboard panels are totally blank and untouched by tooling of any kind.
We go completely from scratch. With not an IPB version in sight. Have never seen an IPB, and don't want/need to see one. We're going from original boards with the same process we always do.
Quoted from Coyote:one thing I personally would like is a timeframe. it'd be neat to see if we're within 30 days of starting, 60? 12 months?
Quoted from KevinCPR:This run is resting in a ready-go state. It's only down to who is going to be their owners...
Which is great news, because this means the TAF run won't even come CLOSE to an 18-month window.
More like a third of that !
Thanks, that means a lot to me, more that you know.... as I spent a TON of time working on that artwork....
Quoted from indypinhead:Stu did an AWESOME job on the Fire! playfield.
Quoted from Stu:I spent a TON of time working on that artwork....
It shows....That Fire! playfield is beautiful...
Some day, I'll get around to installing it in my machine.
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:I think it's cool of you to try and fix the problem without requiring deposits. Nicely done.
Bad idea, in my opinion. Some people are too wishy-washy.
Quoted from Aurich:I'm just putting this out there: I wouldn't mind as a customer if I was required to put down a $20 (say) deposit to hold my spot. If I bail for any reason at all I lose it. If I stay in it goes towards the playfield.
It's not a lot of money, but people commit differently when they have to open their wallet at all.
I agree 100%. Give people a reason to either put up or shut up!
Quoted from Magic_Mike:Give people a reason to either put up or shut up!
That's the whole point of the new system.
The REASON you stick with your promise-to-buy is: If you don't, you lose the privilege of ever participating in the promise-based preorder system ever again.
The deposit-based system you seek is EXACTLY what they are faced with (at $100 per non-refundable reservation) to participate again.
So don't worry, CPR *is* doing a deposit based system - but it will only be for a very very select few.
Right now, everybody starting clean, their word is worth more than money.
But anybody can put themselves onto the money track at anytime. Just break their word. Easy.
The problem I have is you sign up two years + ahead of time before you actually get the pf. I don't mind committing, but not all my pins stay that long (if any)
Quoted from indypinhead:It shows....That Fire! playfield is beautiful...
Some day, I'll get around to installing it in my machine.
Mine is almost done! LED's in the buildings, the frames someone here made etc.
Will Pinball side mirrors for Williams fit Fire! ?
The Fire! playfield is stunningly beautiful!
thanks Stu!
Thanks.....We apprecate your support! I can't wait to swap out my Fire! PF.....
Quoted from wolftownjeff:The Fire! playfield is stunningly beautiful!
thanks Stu!
I can't help but think that's a reason many end up not buying after saying they would.
Quoted from WeirPinball:The problem I have is you sign up two years + ahead of time before you actually get the pf. I don't mind committing, but not all my pins stay that long (if any)
Quoted from WeirPinball:The problem I have is you sign up two years + ahead of time before you actually get the pf.
We already thought of that and fixed it in the new system.
We realized the gravity of an actual hard commitment, and if that is what we are asking for, we have to account for the level of seriousness one would need in order to lay down a promise - today.
Some playfields used to take requests and be made in 1 year. Some in 4 years. It was too loose before. Loose on both sides. We had the freedom to make whatever, whenever. Customers had the ability to literally join every list, and pick & choose which ones to buy at the end, and bail on most.
So NOW, as part of the new preorder system, there is an 18-month maximum window on production.
What that means is, every newly opened preorder inbox is stamped with its launch date. Then the clock starts ticking. Sometimes folks will sign up on month 10... seeing only 8 months of wait (max), in their case. So it's all relative.
We had six (five now - Addams closed) preorder inboxes stamped with Nov 25th. Those six playfields ALL have to be made within a year and a half. CPR does 7-8 playfield runs a year. In truth, the 18 months is likely an overshoot. So those six playfields aren't all going to be 18 months to wait. One will be 3-4 months, one 5-6 months, one 6-7 months, one 8-9 months... and so on.
So for some people, their Nov 2014 signup will have them a playfield in hand by February or March. Addams, for example. Without a shadow of a doubt (and full now anyway) it would/should be the first one to drop.
In the end, repro playfields are usually for the serious (I mean, the wish of buying a playfield is swapping it into your game, right?). Significant restoration work ahead, and they aren't a "cheap" part, either. So even at 1.5 years away (max), those folks who TRULY want a playfield for their game will USUALLY still own the game. Because they are that deep of a fan of it. Or why would they want to do a playfield swap? And the cost? IMHO, it all goes hand in hand. If a person has high game churn - they probably shouldn't be thinking about playfield overhaul for them, and not joining preorders for them.
With all that said, don't forget that a CPR preorder CAN be forfeited no-harm no-foul at anytime for months and months before production. We only close the window when the first board is CNC cut. So plenty of time for guys to change their mind, or change heart and sell their game.
Just don't sell a game during production when one's playfield is being made. (when the inbox at the site is closed, and is no longer taking forfeit emails). Way too late at that point, and those are the forfeits that are yucky.
Kevin, is CPR running a full plastics set for TAF as well?
This is a good step for owners who plan on keeping a game as it gives them some assurance of getting a PF after a long wait. I don't know if this has been a problem, but in my case it would have made a difference in actually getting a WW PF instead of what happened, waiting 2 years and not getting one. I was in the process of restoring my WW so that was a big poke in the eye with a sharp stick and disappointment to put it mildly. I can see the flip side if you are in the business of buying and turning over lots of games, waiting for two years to complete a restoration might create issues but that does not apply to everyone in this hobby as stated by Kevin.
Quoted from KevinCPR:In the end, repro playfields are usually for the serious (I mean, the wish of buying a playfield is swapping it into your game, right?). Significant restoration work ahead, and they aren't a "cheap" part, either. So even at 1.5 years away (max), those folks who TRULY want a playfield for their game will USUALLY still own the game. Because they are that deep of a fan of it. Or why would they want to do a playfield swap? And the cost? IMHO, it all goes hand in hand. If a person has high game churn - they probably shouldn't be thinking about playfield overhaul for them, and not joining preorders for them.
With all that said, don't forget that a CPR preorder CAN be forfeited no-harm no-foul at anytime for months and months before production. We only close the window when the first board is CNC cut. So plenty of time for guys to change their mind, or change heart and sell their game.
Just don't sell a game during production when one's playfield is being made. (when the inbox at the site is closed, and is no longer taking forfeit emails). Way too late at that point, and those are the forfeits that are yucky.
Quoted from KevinCPR:With all that said, don't forget that a CPR preorder CAN be forfeited no-harm no-foul at anytime for months and months before production. We only close the window when the first board is CNC cut. So plenty of time for guys to change their mind, or change heart and sell their game.
Just don't sell a game during production when one's playfield is being made. (when the inbox at the site is closed, and is no longer taking forfeit emails). Way too late at that point, and those are the forfeits that are yucky.
Just curious, since I haven't ordered one form you before -
Are email updates sent out describing the progress? (i.e. "The first CNC cut will be made two weeks from today!")
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