Quoted from mechslave:
I think the real winners may be the original MM owners, actually.
But yeah, this was sort of inevitable, I suppose. I don't mean to bust up the Love Fest, but did the people who pre-ordered MMR's all those months ago have "Built by Stern" in mind when they put down their money?
Anyway, more pinball machines built is good for everyone, so hopefully this all goes well and everyone is happy!
No they probably didn't have that in mind. I bet this came as a great surprise to almost all of them. A very good surprise.
Stern is a known quantity. Whoever else was going to put these together was a big unknown.
Personally speaking I would be much more likely to buy one now than I was before this announcement
Quoted from Aurich:
WOZ has just as many issues, you just don't hear about it because the owners hide them all in the JJP forums which are private, because they're afraid of getting mocked and abused here. Which is lame on both sides frankly.
Repeated LED board breakings, power supply issues, clear coat chipping, pop bumpers creating metal shards that wear the playfield to the bare wood if you don't deal with it, monkey magnets, castle ball guides, slippers falling off, blah blah.
It's pinball, shit happens. I'm not dumping on WOZ, I'm simply saying that things aren't perfect. There's no magic in the JJP factory. Just like they weren't perfect on the original WMS built MM. If you're not willing to fix and adjust some things out of the box then don't buy NIB, get a dialed in HUO machine where someone else did it for you.
You know what WOZ has over most Sterns? Higher BOM. It's the parts that determine a good portion of the quality, not who put them together. Rick is still in charge of that part.
Quoted for too much truth.
Quoted from MinusWorlds:
Exactly! I think what Rick/PPS did with MMr was genius so pls don't take my posts about this as negative. Just think people need to stop saying BBBrr for $8K, AFMr for $8K, MBr for $8K. We have no idea what is next and what they will retail for.
I seriously doubt that if a title like MB is remade that it will sell for less than $8k. If pins like WOZ and STLE sell for close to that mark, as did MMr, I see no reason that MBr would sell for less.
Quoted from vex:
i can see a time very soon where 8k pins will be really difficult for the manufacturers to sell, regardless on the title. either the builders adjust prices lower to sell more units or have very shallow sales in the future. mustang le might just be the canary in the coal mine...
nothing wrong with companies making as much money as possible but sustainability going forward on the 8k gravy train might be a short lived phenomena.
I completely agree with what you are saying (except that Mustang LE is of very little significance here because of it being a theme that few pinheads wanted, so the price of the LE on that title is irrelevant), but my comments were specific to a MB remake.
But you knew that. So...I agree!
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:
Are you for real dude? The base issue with the hunger games is that it is about children killing children. Not "powerful female characters". So, in your Hunger Games pin, how many little kids have to die at the hands of other children before you get to the wizard mode? And what happens then? Do the lighted shots stand for eating them at that point? Can't wait to see your alternate translite.
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