Why do I get these images in my head of Rick within hours of his announcements on Pinside
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I mean the parts thing BEfore Plantary we had 2 that both NEVER got much done.... Yes Gene did do BBB that was great BUT the whole parts thing with him AND Wayne was a joke... Much better with 2 on the ball operations than 1.. But too late I guess...

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Not enough was done to make the game. BBB cabinet, white wood playfield, straight motocross handlebars on the lockdown bar.

Now if you got Greg Kmiec to finish it. ??

Too bad we lost Python and the finishing touches for Zingy Bingy.

LTG : )™

You do know they made them in the past right? Two runs that I know of. Had to have all the rights at some point....

Which is why I said:
"IPB had those rights already. So, unless they let them slip away by not renewing them, it should follow that PPS now owns those rights."

Isn't the only person depicted on the playfield Christopher Lloyd?

Isn't he still alive?

Next Epic announcement with be...

"Planetary Pinball Supply acquires Zaccaria Pinball."

Smart players is the key there, Mike.

More like "Planetary Pinball Supply acquires Jersey Jack Pinball."

^^^ I rather it be "PPS acquires JPop's Zidware boutique line of pinballs" and goes on to actually producing them. Then maybe I'll see RAZA in my life time!

The market will bear what it bears. JJP entered the game making arena and prices went up. I'd rather one place that was competent just handled things, you're never going to see competition for the exact same thing, i.e. a Monster Bash remake. Either one company makes them or it doesn't happen. If it's priced right it will sell, if not it won't.

You've been selling your games for good prices as you exit out (for now at least) you know how the market works!

Yes, I know that IPB made TAF pf reproduction in the past. That last run was a LONG time ago and they were not rerun for a reason. From my understanding it will be difficult to LEGALLY rerun them in the future.

I'm hoping some bootlegger saves the day and does these under the radar. Black market pf's, all the quality, non of the BS that comes from licenses.

Unless you're privy to information you can't share publicly, I thought the problems for them running the playfields again were more logistical than legal. Quality issues, registration issues, color correctness, pride, etc.

Unless by your posts you're insinuating they indeed let the rights slip away....

Then yes, we're screwed.

Was a pain in the ass for me. =)

More will probably get done and quality should go up.

Even if the license expired, PPS would enter into an agreement to get a new license.

License holders make money by LICENSING the properties they own. They don't make money by preventing licenses from being issued.

Movie rights:

Paramount Pictures
Phone: (323) 956-5000
Legal Department - Rights and Permissions
5555 Melrose Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90038

I hope they do vid.

Post say majority, not all of IPB assests, but I heard PPS already got BBB before this?

BBB remake was Genes legacy. It would be a shame he had to let it go, but if decals/parts are made for it, that will be comparable/compatible with existing BBB then I'm for it.

If PPS make BBB and only supply parts that fit/work with their own version then us Capcom owners are screwed... Good job Gene did a great job in the remake and Capcom boards/parts are built like tanks!

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I probably am) - but wasn't one of the issues w/ the Capcom boards & reverse engineering them for Kingpin the suicide chip? Is it similar to the Capcom CPS2 boards where if the lithium battery dies, it takes the whole board with it? Having the Capcom games on a new system running emulated code could be a great thing, if that's the case.

The chip was just an excuse. IPB just didn't have the resources to get Kingpin done.

Not the CPS2 issue. I'm really fuzzy on this but generally remember the following:

I believe it was the a display chip that was a gate array or some processor. There was a fuse on the read line that was blown (intentionally.) That makes it so you can't read the code on the chip. So even if you can purchase replacement chips if you don't have the code you can't program them. There is a way to get the code off of chips like that but it's very expensive and afair requires a lab to remove the coating on the chip and repair the blown line to enable code reads. Again, don't shoot me on any of this as it's been a while.

Some sharp EE/CE like Ed Chung could reverse engineer the chip's function and create a replacement gate array. Someone could also write software to emulate what the chip does similar to Nucore or mame. Gene asked Don and I to do it numerous times but he really wasn't willing to pay much of anything for it.

So that's the issue as I recall.

The majority of the MMLE parts work in MM. I would imagine it would be very similar for BBB.

if it's just display code, couldn't any capcom game just be duplicated off that chip?

Exactly. The Capcom "ASIC". The last I had heard was that the "code" HAD been read off the chip, BUT it isn't useable because the code that is on the chip has gone through a special compiler specifically for that chip and can't be rewritten onto other more modern chips (you actually need the original (pre-compiler) source code which Gene doesn't have).

Whether that code could be written onto the same chip or not is pretty much irrelevant as those chips are long gone and done on older wafer technology that isn't available anymore (meaning, you aren't going to find enough of them or cheap enough to make another run of games).

Obviously a software workaround exists for PinMame, so it seems like it'd be feasible to write new hardware code (based on whatever they did) for a more modern chip. I agree that someone like Ed would probably be able to do this.

There is also obsolete chips in the audio board which would also need to be dealt with in order to do another run of "original" hardware. GIven what I've seen of MMr, doesn't seem like that would be the route to go anyway.

FWIW.

all the genius things made by pinball electronics experts and they can't make a chip where it can be placed on a different type of chip, un compiled? Like a mini board in place of the chip.

Is it me or am I the only one that wants an Airborne rerelease?

I've only ever seen one of that game (at PPM) and it just didn't grab me. The huge wireform is cool and all, but I can't get the game to output fun.

Man that is an absolutely brilliant phrase, and entirely appropriate to Airborne.

20k for any game = too much money + not enough sense....

Great news for the Pinball community. Finally all in the one place and hopefully we will see some much needed parts surface in the near future.

I really hope that they concentrate more on parts and possibly bringing games like Kingpin and Wizard Block to fruition, rather than remaking games, but I suspect they will do whatever makes the most business sense.

Whatever path they choose, after all the squabbling that has gone on over the past 10 years between the rights holders, can only be good to have them all in the hands of someone who has a proven track record of being able to deliver.

PPS is remaking MM so suggesting they couldn't get it together to run TAF playfields again is laughable.
People need to step away from their computers.

Here is another vote for parts, parts and more parts.

Another vote for reasonably priced parts. As I've stated in the past, back in the gold rush supply stores made the money not so much all the miners panning for gold. Lower risk in parts.

Now, what would be interesting is PPS cutting a deal with SkitB, PROC and JPOP to be the design teams. PROC gang could add new code to existing titles and even possibly retheme some designs. And JPOP could add credibility to the design arm of PPS - if they went down this path.

The strategy for PPS building or remaking any game should be as a vehicle for selling parts. Enable all the new boutiques to build games, so long as you are the parts king. All happy in pinball world - so long as prices for said parts remain reasonable.

IPB had a 10 year license on Addams and IPB is now owned by Matt aka PPS so therefore PPS now has a license for Addams Family is how I read it??

I think the asic was cracked as Mark Coldebella was on Genes Creditors List

My understanding was that the 10 year liscence is now expired and there were difficulties with reaquiring. I am guessing those difficulties were Gene??? Maybe now with PPS being the sole owner it will get done. I would think anyone is smart enough to know that TAF is the number 1 game in need of new pfs so Rick will likely follow that money.

Actually it doesn't say that. It says "the majority of the assets from the bankruptcy estate of Gene Cunningham. Matt Christiano, PPS chairman, also acquired Illinois Pinball, Inc." If something was IPB property, PPS owns it. They just didn't get everything Gene (the individual) owns.

And Sears will start to sell the small home pins as well! LOL

Lets make a Capcom Red Line Fever

No it expires in 2015

Good news for TAF owners. Hopefully Rick can get the job done quickly, unlike the other big parts guys overseas.

Would like to get a nice new translite also, so hopefully those get done.

Like their 2.0 announcement at TPF ?

LTG : )™

This would be great if PPS, JPOP, and most of the WPC V2.0 games were using PROC, they're not, they're using a PROC knock-off. All credibility is out the door with that IMHO.

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Do you know that the licensing agreement is transferable? Have you seen Gene's contract with Paramount? This thread is nothing but speculation on things only Rick, Matt, Gene, and anyone else who has seen the contracts can know. Heck, maybe they'll make a hover pin with hologram Tupac.

This is awesome news!

Just like MM remake was just speculation. This constant talk about things wont happen is getting old. If there is money to be made its probably happening.

Exactly.

No smart businessman is going to leave money on the table.