You perked my curiousity, will have to give the guy a call/email to see if it's who i think it is.

Sure aint worth 2k to me.

Blue walls (check)
Dungeons and Dragons (check)
Topper? curiously absent...

Picture comes from a Craigslist add in bay city for yet another grossly overpriced pinball machine...

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His taste in wall colors sucks anyway.

Come on it matches the game cabinets.

Hey now! Some of my ghettocade (TM.) is blue. A better blue imho, but blue. non sports reasons.

does anybody see the coin door is not a coin door?
and another rolldown mech style coin mech was added to the cabinet above the coin door.
and
yes, its the same machine that was $500 in clio. saw it..

Must be the ultra rare HUO prototype Party Zone LE Party Zone City LE. $10,000 by craigs list xmas.

Yep. I've been warned about this (these?) guys in a PM before. They're buy low/attempt to sell ultra-high too, except their stuff seems to sit for a Loooooong time.

Like their 2300 dollar DE Simpsons...

I called this guy on his spy hunter. After speaking with him I will never be buying from him. He is not hugsC but I am fairly certain he subscribes to his how to repair a pin for flipping guide.

Saw this yesterday....judging by the collection, I'd say this is him....

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/tri-city-pinball-tournament-coming-to-mid-mi#post-1289097

Saw the ads and had the same suspicion. The current seller also seems to post their CL ads all over the state.
How about you post your ads in the CL location where you actually are?

Obviously a Lions fan with that Honolulu Blue paint job. Surprised he didn't paint a White "20" on the wall (Barry Sanders/Billy Sims/Lem Barney) and make it look like a NFL Jersey.

Tell me about it. All it does is clutter up my craiglist search app with garbage.

I figured the same.

Hey guys its Josh, the guy from Bay City everyone seems to have problems with on here. Chris is my buddy that helps me out with everything. I don't really feel like anyone on here knows us except for one person on here that we have met in person. The Party Zone did not come from Clio, it came from Louisville,KY. I did not pay $500 for it. It was more than double that. I am really not interested in selling them but put them up there for people to contact me and know that we are real. That's why the prices are higher. We are trying to start a Tournament up here and get a permanent place to open a Pinball Arcade to spread the word. We have driven to Chicago, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, Cleveland, Dayton to get a lot of these. Out of the 20 pins we have we have only sold 3 of them in order to buy more Pins for the tournament and arcade. We have a local guy go through every Pin we have and fix them. IceCreamGuy uses the same guy as us so he should know that. We are trying to bring something to this area that doesn't exist. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The 3 pins we did sell were for good prices and the people we sold them to are still in contact with us. I am more interested in spreading the Pinball world but it takes $$$ to do it. I hope this clears it up a little and I am more than happy to answer any questions that anyone has. Thanks

I still don't understand why people get worked up about flippers. Good deal was posted, someone bought it, it is now theirs to do what they wish.

Personally this type of thing is not my bag as I am too lazy but if you're ambitious enough, have at it.

I don't understand this.

Go Lions.............. but i didnt paint my walls honolulu blue or silver........BUT............. its a mix of them colors

We are both Big lions fans. I will be posting pics of our game room soon. Although most of you have already seen a lot of it already, lol

Best of luck to you and your crew in getting something started up in Bay City

RonB I appreciate the apology. I can understand the skepticism about the prices and the fact that we are new to this. We have thousands of road miles invested in this collection. I am more than happy to have anyone come by and play at the house. To be honest we have only bought 2 of them in MI and one was a SpyHunter that we paid $700 for. We ended up selling it for $600 because we knew it wasn't worth that and needed room. I am super excited about the possibilities. We have gathered this collection in 7 months time and want to keep expanding it. I just wanted to come here and introduce ourselves and clear any misconceptions up. We hope to be active contributing members here and help spread the Pinball love.

You sort of hit on what I think when I see people on here hassling the flippers. Do you add any value to the food products you buy and sell or are you just flipping them? Maybe people who eat for a hobby should be upset with you.

Just wanted to say great initial post by Josh. He could have come on and just blasted away , but took the time to introduce himself and explain his situation.I hope he has good luck in Bay city.

But I do curse the lions this weekend against my eagles.

Don't worry... The Lions will curse themselves....

You're talking to a philly team supporter here. Every year its the same, a sudden surge at the end, just to fall short of the playoffs. phils, flyers,sixers,eagles..... just enough to get your hopes up, then crush them like a used can. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 100 times....

After reading all the nonsense with Choggard and seeing all these overpriced CL ads, i assumed Josh's friend Chris was choggard. Is this not true?
Or is "josh" another choggard character as well ... Like hugsc?

I think it is too early to pass judgment on Josh. Josh's buddy Chris is not hugsC, I have meet Cory and spoken with Chris.

I can say I was not impressed with Chris on the phone but since Josh's post I'm willing to give them a chance.

Josh- I am in your area often I would like to take you up on your invite. If you treat others fairly and with respect I will help you guys out any way I can.
If you are new to this and buying routed machines get some flipper coils ready nice strong properly working flippers are key.
Good luck.

I don't understand. I thought games without flippers are worth less?

Rock you are more than welcome to come play anytime you are in the area.I can PM you my number to call when you are around. You also aren't kidding about the flipper coils. We have had to replace a coil or 2 on almost every machine we have. It seems after we move them they always need adjusting when we get them back. Our repair guy spends at least 10 hours a week working on them for us.

We are seriously overwhelmed with Pin Scalpers(TM) in mid michigan. Don't get the two confused.

Choggard is Corey from Burton. (MSF, Taxi)
BayCity is Chirs. {Hard Body, lW3, Dracula, D&D, DE Simpsons}

I've got a question. How long do you have to own a pin and can sell it for more money ( or even the same amount of money ) without being labeled a flipper ?

John P. Dayhuff
Battle Creek, Mi.
269-979-3836

Since you asked.

I think that if you buy a pin with the express idea of selling it for a profit, you're not adding any value, and you're not paying state sales tax or income tax on the profit you've made, you're a flipper.

If you're you're buying and selling for retail, and paying licensing and taxes, you're a retailer.

I don't have a problem with "flippers" who have scruples and who generally are fair and honest with their prices and about their products. I've bought a few of my favorite pins from flippers like this.

A flipper in my eyes is someone who does the following:
1. Does nothing but creeps on CL ads and immediately jumps on pinball deals
2. Posts their own WTB ads *daily* stating "paying top dollar"
3. Haggles with the seller regardless of how good a deal it is
4. Does the absolute bare minimum to get the game working or make it presentable (vacuuming out rat turds for instance)
5. Lists the game as soon as possible, sometimes even *the same day* for at least twice what they paid for it whether or not they got it working
6. Won't come down on their price and gives you lame reasons why it's worth what they're charging

A non-flipper will not:
1. Saturate CL with WTB ads
2. Haggle on every machine they buy
3. Sell a dirty, worn out, non-working game for several times it's value
4. Sell a game not working and unshopped (unless they just have no time or desire) without pricing it accordingly

Bill Stahly

So lets say I buy a game for $1000, fix everything on it clean the areas I can reach and put it into my collection for a year or two and then decide its not the game for me. And now I'm selling the game for say....$1500. Does that make me a flipper ?

John P. Dayhuff
Battle Creek, Mi
269-979-3836

It makes you smart, if you can get it. I've sold 3 machines and lost money on every one.

Common John, you are a flipper. =) Much more ethical than most but a flipper none the less. There are lots of unethical flippers in michigan but no one ever seems to be unhappy with deals you do. Chip Ware was a flipper (containers) but I always liked that guy. So being a flipper isn't necessarily bad. Being a douchebag flipper is bad. Lots of examples of that. One of my buddies bought a machine from a real douchebag. My buddy went out to get his dolly and found the flipper swapping boards (good for bad.) Actually, he's your buddy too...

Not so much, you were being paid for your work on the machine and you are not selling the same machine as when you purchased it.

This makes you a flipper... LOL

Apparently 70 years.

I really think alot of our agression is the over inflated prices in michigan compared to other states.This inflation is because a handfull of people decided to make a business buying low and asking high prices. Not a problem people just wont buy from chris or corey because they are too expensive. When they cant sell a game they will have to lower the price or go out of business. Btw they havent sold many games in the last 3 months. In the mean time I will list my pins for less and get the sale quicker.

The bigger problem is when corey uses shady tactics to sell games. Even worse when he sells you a perfect game that turns out to be junk.

Wow, how exactly did he respond to that?

Ok Everyone - Deep Breath....

Step Back. Relax. Enjoy Playing Pinball. It's sad to me that we have to have threads over and over again this topic. This hobby is/was supposed to be fun right?