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Amusement Operators vs Gambling Machines

By zFabi

3 years ago


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    #1 3 years ago

    Hey everyone,
    I don't know if it is the same in America as here but gambling machines in pubs are crushing my income in most locations, how do you handle that?
    Some months income is so low it's under the amusement tax, so basically I'm loosing money.

    Then looking at the gambling machines making 3000+ each every month (3 machines) what is so interesting in staring at a screen looking at your money vanishing every second.

    I know it's an addiction but somehow I just get the feeling the general public is too lazy to stand up and do something as physical as playing some pinball.

    Glad the other location I'm operating a pin just trashed their gambling machine as the income was lower than the amusement machines.

    So how do you handle this constant fight against gambling machines other than operating them yourself?

    #2 3 years ago

    Im curious as well.

    In IL gambling machines and places to play are popping up like weeds.

    #3 3 years ago

    Gambling machines are prevalent where I live. I tried to operate public pinball for a couple of years, and VLTs were 90% of the reason I failed to have any success.

    When a bar owner has the option of a installing a dozen relatively small machines, each of which will make them $500 per day, or installing a couple pinball machines, which basically help them sell a few dozen extra drinks per day, they choose VLTs.

    I think VLTs are the devil. Most of the people using them have addictions issues and are sinking their entire paycheck (or social assistance) into them as soon as they get it. I can't believe the government preys on its weakest citizens this way.

    #4 3 years ago
    Quoted from EvanDickson:

    Gambling machines are prevalent where I live. I tried to operate public pinball for a couple of years, and VLTs were 90% of the reason I failed to have any success.
    When a bar owner has the option of a installing a dozen relatively small machines, each of which will make them $500 per day, or installing a couple pinball machines, which basically help them sell a few dozen extra drinks per day, they choose VLTs.
    I think VLTs are the devil. Most of the people using them have addictions issues and are sinking their entire paycheck (or social assistance) into them as soon as they get it. I can't believe the government preys on its weakest citizens this way.

    I can mostly relate to that I mean I don't mind spending change for a few spins at luck when I'm waiting for a drink to be served but hell I'd never leave the house with the sole purpose to spend the few bits of spare time I have on gambling away my hard earned cash.
    Whenever I'm in another city I'll check if there are places like pubs with a pin or Arcade game, that most of the time is the reason I'll go there (plus maybe to drink a few cold local beers), most of these evenings I end up with some highscore and 50 bucks well spent on hours of pinball goodness.
    When I go home I've always got the feeling I had a good time with money well spent instead of a rush to gather more money and throw it all away again.

    My perspective as an operator is that games have to be fun first of all, I'm making money by making people happy and making them have a good time forgetting about a shitty day at work or similar, if someone is enjoying himself they'll come back and play again.

    #5 3 years ago
    Quoted from zFabi:

    Hey everyone,
    I don't know if it is the same in America as here but gambling machines in pubs are crushing my income in most locations, how do you handle that?
    Some months income is so low it's under the amusement tax, so basically I'm loosing money.
    Then looking at the gambling machines making 3000+ each every month (3 machines) what is so interesting in staring at a screen looking at your money vanishing every second.
    I know it's an addiction but somehow I just get the feeling the general public is too lazy to stand up and do something as physical as playing some pinball.
    Glad the other location I'm operating a pin just trashed their gambling machine as the income was lower than the amusement machines.
    So how do you handle this constant fight against gambling machines other than operating them yourself?

    In the states , they are raking in. 5 per location, I have seen totals and they make hand over fist.

    #6 3 years ago

    When Illinois got into video gaming most of the amusement operators in my area sold off their pinball/ video games and got in on the video gaming. It really has changed things. It also has changed things with the big distributors (American Vending Sales and Betson Midwest) that i would by used video games and redemption games from. They now seem to only have used inventory at their east coast locations. These distributors also made a ton of money setting up and selling video games and they aren't as interested as they once were in serving the small pinball / video/redemption operators.

    #7 3 years ago

    Technically I guess this is why Bally / Williams got out of pinball themselves way back when, to start producing lottery machines.

    #8 3 years ago

    Fortunately, these types of gambling machines are not legal in all 50 states in the US. But its even difficult for a pinball to compete with a plush crane in most locations.

    #9 3 years ago
    Quoted from chad:

    In the states , they are raking in. 5 per location, I have seen totals and they make hand over fist.

    They do great, state takes 97%

    #10 3 years ago
    Quoted from CactusJack:

    Fortunately, these types of gambling machines are not legal in all 50 states in the US. But its even difficult for a pinball to compete with a plush crane in most locations.

    Here in Germany it's 3 gambling machines per pub but you can stuff as many pins or arcades in there as you want.

    There are operators though that still operate both types and I think with the uprise in prices on the pinball market most of them sold of what they still had around for a quick buck

    #11 3 years ago

    Yes, the plush crane is something to behold. My 5 cranes do so much better then the 19 pinballs i have on location. Such a shame!

    #12 3 years ago
    Quoted from EvanDickson:

    I can't believe the government preys on its weakest citizens this way.

    I can believe it. The profits are basically blood money earned off the backs of many who really cannot afford to lose what they do. And it's getting worse with higher bet amounts and lower payout percentages. People can get into trouble a whole lot easier now.

    Rob

    #13 3 years ago
    Quoted from Rob_G:

    I can believe it. The profits are basically blood money earned off the backs of many who really cannot afford to lose what they do. And it's getting worse with higher bet amounts and lower payout percentages. People can get into trouble a whole lot easier now.
    Rob

    The ones in PEI do not take coins. They take credit cards or bills (for our American friends, the lowest bill denomination in Canada is the $5). It's crazy.

    #14 3 years ago
    Quoted from zFabi:I don't know if it is the same in America as here but gambling machines in pubs are crushing my income in most locations, how do you handle that?

    Easy, route gambling machines instead.

    #15 3 years ago

    It is a shame, that's gambling though, people are addicted to that dopamine rush of those small wins and the chance at hitting a big one.
    I've watched people play those things for hours on end... I still don't fully understand it myself. I always get sick to my stomach when I bet more then a 100 bucks.

    #16 3 years ago
    Quoted from Pdxmonkey:

    They do great, state takes 97%

    30% off the top plus Federal percentage. Operator and location get 35 % each. State does not take 97% . Plus Sci games gets a minute percentage per machine, if you have NRT terminal redemption , they also get a minute percentage and $ 500 per unit per year if you have the call in reboot option.

    #17 3 years ago
    Quoted from hocuslocus:

    It is a shame, that's gambling though, people are addicted to that dopamine rush of those small wins and the chance at hitting a big one.
    I've watched people play those things for hours on end... I still don't fully understand it myself. I always get sick to my stomach when I bet more then a 100 bucks.

    Pull tab machines and peoples wallets never cease to amaze me. Watching numerous 20 spots fed in....

    #18 3 years ago
    Quoted from chad:

    30% off the top plus Federal percentage. Operator and location get 35 % each. State does not take 97% . Plus Sci games gets a minute percentage per machine, if you have NRT terminal redemption , they also get a minute percentage and $ 500 per unit per year if you have the call in reboot option.

    There are operators for these in the USA? In Canada the government is the operator.

    #19 3 years ago
    Quoted from EvanDickson:

    There are operators for these in the USA? In Canada the government is the operator.

    Yes operators generally buy them ( slots) 11,000 to 15,000 a pop. Parts are are insane as well.

    #20 3 years ago
    Quoted from chad:

    Yes operators generally buy them ( slots) 11,000 to 15,000 a pop. Parts are are insane as well.

    yeah it depends on what type of slots you get, I think. the ones that are federally regulated ( like the ones you see in vegas) are probably stupid expensive.

    here are the ones we see here (cabs)
    https://www.funcoamusements.com/product-category/8-liner-cabinets/
    (games) this is the main American distributor for these games
    http://americanalphainc.com/product-category/game-boards/25-lines/

    or

    you can buy IGT machines which look more like the ones your see in vegas… they might even be the ones you see in vegas. there are a few bally's for like 1500 bucks.
    https://slotmachinesltd.com/product-category/igt/igt-044-video-slot-machines

    #21 3 years ago

    #22 3 years ago
    Quoted from hocuslocus:

    yeah it depends on what type of slots you get, I think. the ones that are federally regulated ( like the ones you see in vegas) are probably stupid expensive.
    here are the ones we see here (cabs)
    https://www.funcoamusements.com/product-category/8-liner-cabinets/
    (games) this is the main American distributor for these games
    http://americanalphainc.com/product-category/game-boards/25-lines/
    or
    you can buy IGT machines which look more like the ones your see in vegas… they might even be the ones you see in vegas. there are a few bally's for like 1500 bucks.
    https://slotmachinesltd.com/product-category/igt/igt-044-video-slot-machines

    The grey area machines are around $ 3200?
    The real slots 11k to 15k

    #23 3 years ago

    You're in the wrong market if you're competing with gambling, slots, vlts etc.

    I talked to old ops and its what drive them out originally. Look for a place to put pins where people seek them out, or other locations like campgrounds etc.

    #24 3 years ago

    In the late 1940's gambling pins were legal in Minnesota. Kind of. They paid out tokens. If you knew the person you bought them back for 5¢ each. And be sure the law wasn't watching.

    Around 1950 they were outlawed. Basically the ops were paying out more in payoffs than the games made, so they brought things to a halt. The ops wanted to run them legal or not at all. And out they went.

    Many of the ops were crying, "what will we do, what will we do ?". The state East of Minnesota, Wisconsin, didn't have the gambling pins. The Wisconsin ops weren't sympathetic having never had them. They told the Minnesota ops, "Learn to be ops".

    LTG : )

    #25 3 years ago
    Quoted from Linkage:

    You're in the wrong market if you're competing with gambling, slots, vlts etc.
    I talked to old ops and its what drive them out originally. Look for a place to put pins where people seek them out, or other locations like campgrounds etc.

    Well the problem is everywhere here are gambling machines even bowling alleys, maybe it's different in the US but here in Germany there is no other way than to compete

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    #26 3 years ago
    Quoted from chad:

    The grey area machines are around $ 3200?
    The real slots 11k to 15k

    new probably, used they cost 1500-3k

    the grey area machines new cost 3-6k
    used they cost 100-1500

    as you can tell they don't retain their value at all.

    there is another bar in the same center as my place and they have like 7 old casino games (the real flashy kind with beacons etc.), personally I don't like that type.
    kind of makes a place look a little trashy.

    #27 3 years ago

    Only place in Arizona that you will find those are on reservation casinos.

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