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American pinball and Pinballstar make pinball great

By jrio101

5 years ago


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#212 5 years ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

You can talk about goodwill. You can talk about what other companies do in situations like this, but this is the way AP is working it.

Quoted from cottonm4:

You can come here and raise hell about the issue you are having with your new pinball machine. Maybe AP will adjust its policies because of your post. Or maybe it won't. And then you don't buy from again.
But you can't come here and say AP is not standing behind its products. You are outside of the stated warranty.

Disagree. OP didn't say they're not honoring the written warranty terms, he said they're "not standing behind" their product by refusing to replace a part that broke within four months, which he views as objectively unacceptable. That might be naive in most circumstances, but given that the general practice in modern pinball manufacturing is to offer a skimpy written warranty but then provide a much broader range of free repairs months or years beyond the words on the page (see Stern and JJP), I don't see where OP's at fault to say that AP is "not standing behind" their game. Given current industry standards for out of warranty service, he's right.

Quoted from tamoore:

1) legally speaking, American Pinball did nothing wrong.
2) not everything legal is right.

This guy gets it.

Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

Your the second owner. Your first post should have stated this.

Not sure why this matters given that OP is already clearly outside the written warranty period. Either way AP is sticking to the letter of the written warranty in a situation where Stern or JJP would almost assuredly have repaired/replaced this board for him. Which is their legal right, but also likely of interest to future customers.

#248 5 years ago
Quoted from Pinphila:

If AP really wanted to screw the OP, they would bring a defamation action.

You must have attended the same law school as Whysnow ...

#253 5 years ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

You need to change the title to correctly reflect on AP. Then you can ask to shut it down.

Would you be satisfied with this alternate title?: Buyer beware: AP adheres STRICTLY to its written warranty

I still think this is important information for buyers to have, given that the other manufacturers take a different approach and buyers may mistakenly assume that's just the way part repair/replacement is done in modern pinball.

#265 5 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

Prada chest rub commencing.

Is your other dog named Gucci?

#339 5 years ago
Quoted from Pinphila:

I guess you aren’t buying Sterns then either because their warranty is 60 days on some components.
The photo is from the Iron Maiden Manual. AP offers a longer warranty.

Have you been following this thread? Everyone agrees that Stern’s written warranty is skimpy as hell. Everyone also agrees that Stern provides service far beyond the written terms, including to second, third, and fourth owners.

If all the other pinball manufacturers stuck to the letter of their written warranties too, there wouldn’t be much to talk about here. But that’s not the reality.

#406 5 years ago
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

That’s what I thought. AP may want to rethink how they handle these requests in the future, but let’s not get all high and mighty on them for upholding their warranty policy on a second hand game.
And let’s stop the nonsense that Stern’s warranty is better. It isn’t, and it’s in writing.

Did anyone actually say that Stern's written warranty is better? I thought the point made 10 or 20 times in this thread now was that Stern's warranty as implemented is significantly broader than AP's written warranty, which they've stated they intend to apply as-written. I don't think there's any controversy on either of these two points.

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