American Pinball Houdini thread

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American Pinball Houdini thread


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#8001 8 days ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

I’ll have to try this out. I assume this is still happening with the 12.18.18 code?
I know Josh is working on Oktoberfest too.. but I sure hope some more
Updates are planned - don’t forget about Houdini guys!

Yeah, it's been there since the beginning. It got half-fixed last Summer so the lid doesn't rapidly open and close, but the sound effect still restarts over and over if you "cancel" with both flippers.

#8002 8 days ago
Quoted from Platypus:

The main issue was/is the 48 volt power supply is unregulated which isn't a problem until one is in multiball and multiple coils are firing, they can bog down. I have a PV system on my roof and my house voltage varies by 4-6 v day to night and that also seemed to cause differences in the coils. Not everybody has issues or notices them. AP offers a very generous upgrade for those who do experience problems. While this is their thread it has been taken over by owners who are not shy about voicing minor issues, but mostly offer ideas on tweaking the game. When I got my game I read back about half way, there are a few stand out folks here.
This brings up another point, American Pinball has been very responsive and supportive to their clients. The active refinement to the code has served to make this a very fun game. If by chance you are basing your decision to purchase based on many of the reviews out there, reconsider, It is playing much better now than a year ago due to the latest software. And I suspect it will only get better
My other games are 20-30 years old and I wanted a modern game. I could not be happier than with Houdini. It has tough shots which we don't always make but when we do make them it is so much fun!

Not basing my decision on anything other than I liked the game when I played it! I just wanted to know what, if any, known issues were out there so I know what to look for or ask. Unfortunately the machine I was looking to get sold so I am looking for one in the Santa Barbara area if anyone has one!!!

Thanks for the post!

#8003 8 days ago

Got my lock switches in record time!

API is amazing!

Thanks so much barryj and team!

#8004 7 days ago

Are any Houdiniphiles attending the Texas Pinball Festival next month? I got tickets today. Never been...

#8005 7 days ago
Quoted from PhantomO:

Are any Houdiniphiles attending the Texas Pinball Festival next month? I got tickets today. Never been...

I am thinking of it, trying to coordinate with the Tesla powerwall training I have to do down there. I missed my Caribbean sailing trip this winter and would love to get out of this fricken icebox.

#8006 7 days ago
Quoted from PhantomO:

Are any Houdiniphiles attending the Texas Pinball Festival next month?

I'm definitely an American Pinball fan.

Quoted from PhantomO:

I got tickets today. Never been...

Time of your life.

I'll be around the CGC games, Pin-Port booth, and JJP games.

LTG : )

#8007 7 days ago
Quoted from LTG:

I'm definitely an American Pinball fan.

Time of your life.
I'll be around the CGC games, Pin-Port booth, and JJP games.
LTG : )

pinballgoddess and I will be there!

It will be awsome to see you there Lloyd.
I also very much look forward to seeing Barry and Oktoberfest, it looks amazing!

We love TPF, its a great way to get out of the cold for a weekend, eat BBQ, play pinball, see old friends and make new ones.

TPF has become the greatest pinball show in the country, a must see in my opinion.

#8008 7 days ago
Quoted from meSz:

Looking at possibly purchasing a Houdini and would like to know what to look for? Any issues etc. Appreciate any insight. Apologies up front as I admit I'm too lazy to go back and read (Just under) 8k post

One thing you don't need to worry about is customer support. Barry J and Dhaval V. have been top notch in my book for a couple of hiccups I've had.

About the 8K posts, it's kinda neat going thru some of the early ones, seeing how the pin evolved from early concepts to final product.

#8009 7 days ago

Got my Sorbothane today....
Its really weird stuff, but looks like it will work.
Hopefully better than neoprene foam? Who knows. A ball dropped onto a pine block stopped dead in its tracks from 2 feet.

I did find 18" 45 durometer neoprene foam at home depot. Its readily available and might also work.

Im just waiting for my adhesive tape from pinrestore.com to install it.

I see a ball strike line on the right wall and the rear wall of the stage.

Im wondering if I should do the right side and the rear?

Or just the rear.

I ran a bunch of tests last night at elevated flipper powers.
The bounce outs most notably came from the rear.

#8010 7 days ago
Quoted from pinballinreno:

Got my Sorbothane today....
Its really weird stuff, but looks like it will work.
Hopefully better than neoprene foam? Who knows. A ball dropped onto a pine block stopped dead in its tracks from 2 feet.
I did find 18" 45 durometer neoprene foam at home depot. Its readily available and might also work.
Im just waiting for my adhesive tape from pinrestore.com to install it.
I see a ball strike line on the right wall and the rear wall of the stage.
Im wondering if I should do the right side and the rear?
Or just the rear.
I ran a bunch of tests last night at elevated flipper powers.
The bounce outs most notably came from the rear.

Any thought on height placement (i.e. center of where ball hits, or maybe slightly high to help with a little deflection downward)?

#8011 7 days ago

I haven't noticed this before, but when all seance targets have been hit and seance multiball is waitong to start, I dont hear any bricking sounds when I hit the seance targets. It comes back after activating mutli all. Can anyone confirm this is normal? I have tje latest release.

#8012 6 days ago
Quoted from mbwalker:

Any thought on height placement (i.e. center of where ball hits, or maybe slightly high to help with a little deflection downward)?

I was just going to cut a square to fit the back and lean it in.

Then press it down firmly.
If I have to, I can do the same for the left side.

Got the adhesive tape today.

Will probably work on it tomorrow morning.

The goal is to raise flipper power up a bit to make easier ramp shots, while not getting stage rejects and horrible air balls off the standups.

I'm at 23 flipper power now, so 25-27 should make it up the ramp better.

#8013 6 days ago

Does anything work to remove black ball tracks on steel rails/ball guides? I tried mineral spirits without success?

#8014 6 days ago
Quoted from PhantomO:

Does anything work to remove black ball tracks on steel rails/ball guides? I tried mineral spirits without success?

Small squares of red scotchbright pads to slowly sand them out.

Take care to not scratch the playfield surface.

Use masking tape on the playfield to protect the area you are scrubbing.

Only go in one direction to re-grain in long straight lines.

Or ignore them until a complete tear down for maintenance.

Ball tracks in flat rails are normal.

Naptha will remove the black but the wear line will remain.

Novus 2 or 3 can also help scrub if you dont want to use the more aggressive scotchbright pads.

#8015 6 days ago
Quoted from PhantomO:

Does anything work to remove black ball tracks on steel rails/ball guides? I tried mineral spirits without success?

Mean Green and gentle use of Scotch-Brite pad

#8016 6 days ago
Quoted from PhantomO:

Does anything work to remove black ball tracks on steel rails/ball guides? I tried mineral spirits without success?

Is it actually black ON the steel guide, or is the the wear line from the ball grinding on it?

#8017 6 days ago
Quoted from vireland:

Is it actually black ON the steel guide, or is the the wear line from the ball grinding on it?

Well, if not black, it is at least grimey colored, not a polished wear track

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#8018 6 days ago
Quoted from PhantomO:

Well, if not black, it is at least grimey colored, not a polished wear track
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Looks normal.

Just clean it with teflon rated green scrubby or a rough cloth and a little naptha.

Go all over the game and clean off black dust.

Check and clean flippers and coil sleeves they are responsible for pumping in most of the dust.

Change balls every 350-500 plays etc...

#8019 6 days ago
Quoted from PhantomO:

Well, if not black, it is at least grimey colored, not a polished wear track
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Looks like ball wear. Stamped stainless rails have a grain that the ball grinds off where it makes rolling contact with the rail. You can re-grain it, but when it comes time, I usually just polish them out to give the rail a mirror finish, which lasts a lot longer before more ball trails show up. But re-graining or polishing them out is a hassle. Just enjoy the game.

For reference, here's a polished guide from a ToM I did:
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#8020 6 days ago
Quoted from pinballinreno:

Looks normal.
Just clean it with teflon rated green scrubby or a rough cloth and a little naptha.
Go all over the game and clean off black dust.
Check and clean flippers and coil sleeves they are responsible for pumping in most of the dust.
Change balls every 350-500 plays etc...

Will do, thanks!

#8021 6 days ago
Quoted from vireland:

Looks like ball wear. Stamped stainless rails have a grain that the ball grinds off where it makes rolling contact with the rail. You can re-grain it, but when it comes time, I usually just polish them out to give the rail a mirror finish, which lasts a lot longer before more ball trails show up. But re-graining or polishing them out is a hassle. Just enjoy the game.
For reference, here's a polished guide from a ToM I did:
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That mirror finish is sweet!

#8022 6 days ago
Quoted from PhantomO:

That mirror finish is sweet!

It's much more resistant to ball trails, but polishing all the guides is a pain in the butt. I only do it on machines I do a full teardown on. I don't understand people that sand the guides to put the grain back on it. The grain is only there because it's cheap stainless, and the grain makes ball trails happen much sooner. If you're going to rehab the guides, polish them out with a wheel.

#8023 6 days ago
Quoted from Platypus:

when I got my game it had 450 game plays and the balls were fairly beat. I replaced them which ran me out of my spares. Pinball Life is out of stock currently, apparently their major supplier quit making them.
100 balls is more than I would care to buy at a time but 25 is doable at $28.
ebay.com link » 25 1 1 16 Inch Mirror Finish Carbon Steel Replacement Pinball Machine Pinballs

Likely time to replace some balls...these holding up ok? Nice and shinny?

#8024 6 days ago
Quoted from mbwalker:

Likely time to replace some balls...these holding up ok? Nice and shinny?

I just bought 100 from this guy.
Great price right now

ebay.com link » 25 1 1 16 Inch Mirror Finish Carbon Steel Replacement Pinball Machine Pinballs

#8025 6 days ago
Quoted from mbwalker:

Likely time to replace some balls...these holding up ok? Nice and shinny?

I had used the PBL balls and now have probably 300 plays on them. had them out today and they still look very good. I am ordering some of those ebay balls.

The question is what do you do with old balls?

#8026 6 days ago

Defeating stage bounce-out is an interesting experiment. I tried felt on the milkcan shot, but it didnt help much. But I wouldnt want every stage shot to stay in. Part of the fun is when you get the shot just right. In my POTO machine, there is a 4 inch gobble hole, and the ball bounces back off a deflector more often than it goes in, which is part of the game challenge.

#8028 5 days ago
Quoted from Platypus:

The question is what do you do with old balls?

I hand them out as souvenirs at parties to kids.

I have tons, so these days I throw them out mostly, save a few for tests.

#8029 5 days ago

I put them in a tabletop gum ball machine. Looks pretty cool when you get a bunch in there. It’s a nice game room piece.

#8030 5 days ago

Sorbothane update:

It did not perform as expected.

As with most things it did not live up to the hype...not a huge surprise but disappointing.

Its neat stuff but does not absorb inertia as good as they claim.

In a plus note, I installed a piece of mechanics toolbox liner.

The thick stuff that's kinda fabricky and rubbery.

Its bounce absorbing, so that sockets and small tools dont bounce out of your toolbox.

It's made to work on steel boxes, the stage is a similar material.

Installed with 467mp tape.
I was pleasantly surprised how well the toolbox liner is working.

Stage rejects are reduced 50% or more at flipper power of 22 and 23. Less at flipper power of 24.

At flipper power 23 the ramp is more makeable than at 22.

So the goal right now is to further reduce bounceouts at flipper power 23.

Flipper power 25 with the power supply upgrade, and the extra power it has available, is uncontrollable. Too many extreme airballs off the standups.

So far I'm very happy with the toolbox liner.

It's not perfect but it's much improved.

I'll try some other materials coming up and keep you posted.

I really am interested in the 3DO stuff, I'll try to get some.

One thing that's solved is bounce outs from the pops.

I have them up a little for more action. So far no bounce outs from there. And no bounce outs from the right flipper.

So, it's getting there slowly.

#8031 5 days ago
Quoted from Platypus:

The question is what do you do with old balls?

I always thought this was cool

#8032 5 days ago
Quoted from PhantomO:

Are any Houdiniphiles attending the Texas Pinball Festival next month? I got tickets today. Never been...

Heck yeah!!...third year in a row...you won't be disappointed. Lots of Pinball, Vendors, and people to meet...outstanding venue.

#8033 5 days ago
Quoted from PhantomO:

Are any Houdiniphiles attending the Texas Pinball Festival next month? I got tickets today. Never been...

I'll be there. Be sure to come check out our seminar.

#8034 5 days ago
Quoted from Platypus:

I always thought this was cool

Problem solved indeed! What a cool video.

#8035 5 days ago

Some trivia:

Steel balls bounce higher than rubber balls when bounced off of a steel plate.
Glass balls bounce even higher if they dont break.

This has to do with the surface tension of crystalline matrices ie: high carbon steel. If you flex the surface or the whole ball, they bounce back hard!

Just had an impromptu physics class from one of my PhD customers.

I have now been told that one has to consider the overall bounciness of steel balls.

An insulator that not only absorbs energy, but keeps the surface of the ball from flexing, is what is needed, in a thin less than 1/4" thickness.

The more you know...

The hunt is still on.

#8036 4 days ago
Quoted from rosh:

I'll be there. Be sure to come check out our seminar.

Definitely. Looking forward to shooting the beer barrel and corkscrew!

#8037 4 days ago
Quoted from pinballinreno:

Some trivia:
Steel balls bounce higher than rubber balls when bounced off of a steel plate.
Glass balls bounce even higher if they dont break.
This has to do with the surface tension of crystalline matrices ie: high carbon steel. If you flex the surface or the whole ball, they bounce back hard!
Just had an impromptu physics class from one of my PhD customers.
I have now been told that one has to consider the overall bounciness of steel balls.
An insulator that not only absorbs energy, but keeps the surface of the ball from flexing, is what is needed, in a thin less than 1/4" thickness.
The more you know...
The hunt is still on.

So what you are saying is we need rubber balls.

#8038 4 days ago

Received my straightjacket and torture cell mods from Hooked on Pinball today. The jacket is very detailed and the colors have a great period look. It is shiny like leather rather than dull like canvas. The cell has maybe 100 rivets, each one raised and painted. It gleams like an expensive jewel case, even without lighting. The only thing it lacks is water, but maybe that would cause problems?

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#8039 4 days ago
Quoted from FtrMech:

Heck yeah!!...third year in a row...you won't be disappointed. Lots of Pinball, Vendors, and people to meet...outstanding venue.

Cool. I will wear my Houdini work shirt Friday. Maybe Saturday too.

#8040 4 days ago
Quoted from PhantomO:

Received my straightjacket and torture cell mods from Hooked on Pinball today. The jacket is very detailed and the colors have a great period look. It is shiny like leather rather than dull like canvas. The cell has maybe 100 rivets, each one raised and painted. It gleams lime an expensive jewel case, even without lighting. The only thing it lacks is water, but maybe that would cause problems?
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I received an email that these were back in stock and you could combine the two for a discount? Is that true?
Also....forgive me but, why is the mod couple water tank mod so much cheaper?? Just asking.

#8042 4 days ago
Quoted from hollywood:

I received an email that these were back in stock and you could combine the two for a discount? Is that true?
Also....forgive me but, why is the mod couple water tank mod so much cheaper?? Just asking.

Yes they are in stock as of last week, and you save $10 buy getting both. I dont know the details on the mod couple tank, but it shows out of stock.

#8043 4 days ago

Someone help me out with a measurement please? Need to know, for transportation purposes, what the height of Houdini is with the backbox down and legs off. Want to see if I buy one if it will fit in my vehicle. Also, if you would, give measurement of the highest point of the main cabinet itself in case I have to take the backbox off. THANKS

#8044 4 days ago
Quoted from PhantomO:

Yes they are in stock as of last week, and you save $10 buy getting both. I dont know the details on the mod couple tank, but it shows out of stock.

All mods including Erics amazing brass signs for Houdini Are in stock from our website store. Thanks

www.TheModCouplePinball.com

#8045 4 days ago
Quoted from pinballinreno:

Some trivia:
Steel balls bounce higher than rubber balls when bounced off of a steel plate.
Glass balls bounce even higher if they dont break.
This has to do with the surface tension of crystalline matrices ie: high carbon steel. If you flex the surface or the whole ball, they bounce back hard!
Just had an impromptu physics class from one of my PhD customers.
I have now been told that one has to consider the overall bounciness of steel balls.
An insulator that not only absorbs energy, but keeps the surface of the ball from flexing, is what is needed, in a thin less than 1/4" thickness.
The more you know...
The hunt is still on.

I still say you should try the 1/4" foam I suggested earlier. Houdini is not the only game that has needed to stop a ball dead in its tracks and that foam works perfectly and already has adhesive backing. The key is its durometer. It absorbs the impact but does not rebound it. Then it mends its shape back to original. If you'd like to try a piece (no charge) just shoot me a PM and I can send you a piece.

#8046 4 days ago
Quoted from meSz:

Someone help me out with a measurement please? Need to know, for transportation purposes, what the height of Houdini is with the backbox down and legs off. Want to see if I buy one if it will fit in my vehicle. Also, if you would, give measurement of the highest point of the main cabinet itself in case I have to take the backbox off. THANKS

What vehicle do you have?

#8047 4 days ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

All mods including Erics amazing brass signs for Houdini Are in stock from our website store. Thanks
www.TheModCouplePinball.com

Sorry to be so inquisitive....is your mod similar to hooked? Your website has very small pictures that are difficult to see

#8048 4 days ago
Quoted from hollywood:

Sorry to be so inquisitive....is your mod similar to hooked? Your website has very small pictures that are difficult to see

The concept is very similar and we have been making and selling these for close to a year. As a simple lit box hidden in the back of the Playfield that is not interactive we opted to go with a simple more affordable design that would complete the look. Either option will look good depending on your taste for investment. If you view the photo gallery from this thread there are Several photos in large scale for your consideration. Most all Hoidini mods are discounted or grouped from our website store. Thanks.

#8049 4 days ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

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I still say you should try the 1/4" foam I suggested

1/4" might fit!
There is not a lot of room there.
I was thinking 1/8" but due to the nature of this, it may not be possible to go that thin.

It's not like the game needs a ton more kick as far as power, just slightly more to make effective ramp shots.

My game plays wonderfully but I want to bring the ramp into play more often and easier.

But this comes at the expense of stage rejects.

I'll PM you, thank you so much for your kind offer! A 2" square is plenty to make a couple pieces to test out.

I think 40-45 durometer shore A would work.

#8050 4 days ago
Quoted from meSz:

Someone help me out with a measurement please? Need to know, for transportation purposes, what the height of Houdini is with the backbox down and legs off. Want to see if I buy one if it will fit in my vehicle. Also, if you would, give measurement of the highest point of the main cabinet itself in case I have to take the backbox off. THANKS

Without dropping the back box, I figure the height to be 30" without back box it is 25"

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