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Alvin G & Co. Weird 5v Issue

By MajesticPinball

1 year ago


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    #1 1 year ago

    So my Mystery Castle is currently suffering from a 5v dropout issue. Just to get you up to speed the CPU and DMD controller are both NOS replacements. I've completely rebuilt the 5v regulator section of the power supply including the header pins/connectors on the transformer input and outputs of the power supply.

    When I have all boards connected I'm measuring 5.18v on the power supply, within about 20 minutes that will steadily decline to about 4.7v and below at which point the game crashes.

    With the CPU and Display Controller connected (sound board removed) the fault disappears and the +5v stays at a constant level.

    With the CPU and Sound Board connected (DMD Controller removed) the fault also disappears and the +5v stays at a constant level (but slightly lower maybe around 5.14v)

    It's only when the sound board and DMD controller are connected to the 5v line together does the voltage slowly plummet until the machine crashes. I've swapped out the DMD controller with a spare to the same results. I'm at my wits end on this one, if anybody has any ideas please let me know so we can get Mystery Castle back up and running reliably.

    Thanks, James

    #2 1 year ago

    Is any component on the powersupply board hot when the fault occurs?

    #3 1 year ago
    Quoted from Pinballer73:

    Is any component on the powersupply board hot when the fault occurs?

    Only the heatsink for the 5v regulator itself which I replaced alongside every other component in the 5v circuit

    Again this only happens when both the sound board and DMD driver are connected together. The fault disappears with either board running on its own

    #4 1 year ago

    I use a Meanwell 5v switching power supply for my Alvin G. Soccer and it is 100% stable. I even rebuilt the power supply. The issue is if there is any voltage sag with the rest of the power the 5v suffers so I have it on a separate supply.

    #5 1 year ago

    Reading your first post again MajesticPinball - did you replace any of the capacitors? If not, that is definitely the issue.

    #6 1 year ago
    Quoted from AD72:

    I use a Meanwell 5v switching power supply for my Alvin G. Soccer and it is 100% stable. I even rebuilt the power supply. The issue is if there is any voltage sag with the rest of the power the 5v suffers so I have it on a separate supply.

    Mhhh ... I have 6 Alvin G. machines and all are working with the original boards. So using a separate powersupply might be helpfull for tesing but I would never put a separate powersupply in all machines. But yes ... you will not see it , but would not be my way to go.

    #7 1 year ago
    Quoted from AD72:

    Reading your first post again MajesticPinball - did you replace any of the capacitors? If not, that is definitely the issue.

    So far I've replaced all capacitors in the 5v regulator section comprising of C2 C5 C7 and C9

    #8 1 year ago
    Quoted from AD72:

    I use a Meanwell 5v switching power supply for my Alvin G. Soccer and it is 100% stable. I even rebuilt the power supply. The issue is if there is any voltage sag with the rest of the power the 5v suffers so I have it on a separate supply.

    I was wondering about going this route but it would be a last resort as generally I don't like adding additional hardware etc. and would prefer it running properly off it's original boards. But I might not be left with much choice.

    I'll work on sourcing the rest of the caps on the board and see where that takes me

    #9 1 year ago

    Does your replaced 5V regulator look like this eBay counterfeit?

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    #10 1 year ago
    Quoted from Tuukka:

    Does your replaced 5V regulator look like this eBay counterfeit?[quoted image]

    Nope it doesn't use that style. Alvin G use an LM350 regulator

    #11 1 year ago

    OK! But who knows if there are also fake LM350's around... as you see on my LM323 picture, the package lid is clearly off-center, and the type markings can be dissolved with contact spray.

    Usually, if a regulator drops its output voltage even if maximum current or temperature is not exceeded, it happens because of oscillation. Not having an Alvin G schematic available, there are usually about 0.1uF capacitors near the regulator, from input and output to ground, to suppress oscillations.

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